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2017/05/06 16:01:44 (permalink)

My dislike for modern PC games.

 It's getting to the point one needs "boutique" hardware for many games.  Forking out major money for a video card can be one of the worst purchases.  I doubt the contentment would last 3 years. 
 
 If DAW development were anything like game development most people would have to invest in expensive hardware just to get them to run.  It seems in DAW development optimization is a part of the competition.  This is one of the reasons why Reaper is popular.
 
 I would imagine the reasons why GTA and CoD remain top sellers is because of the system requirements. GTA 4 is a different story.
 
 In my perfect world the gaming industry would be like the auto industry with factory recalls. If something is an issue with a game most likely it will never be patched after 6 months. They like to move on and create the next buggy version. Luckily gaming is an addiction and they can get away with half assed programming.  Try that with DAWs.
 
 Some developers are also ignorant of what made a previous version of a game great.  If you were ever a Command and Conquer fans you noticed later releases started to go downhill.  C&C 4 is one I refuse to play.
 
 After Just Cause 2, they messed JC3 up and has tons of memory leaks.  I guess they think people will forget and rush to buy JC4.
 
  Another issue is the size of games.  Most games weigh in at 30+ gb.  I guess compression is a non existing concept when it comes to video.   Many games during the XP/Vista/W7 era were under 8gb and offered the same game play content.
 
 So many games these days rarely pass the 70's in the Metacritic ratings. Some of the highest rated are sometime linear platform games.  Longstanding games that had a Metacritic score in the 90s often dip down to the 70's when they come out with a new release.  So far as I know only GTA and Witcher seem to keep their high ratings.
 
 Imagine if the Cakewalk forums were anything like Steam. All solutions are "it's your hardware".  The Gigastudio forums were full of ignorant people like that.
 
 Hardware requirements are getting out of hand and I blame that on poor gaming development.  The answer is not switching to a console because there are issues there as well.  They can't get that right.  Development in general is getting out of touch on what it is like to be an end user.
 
 Most games released are incomplete and then they rip you off by offering DLC. Sometimes with equals the game price or exceeds it when the game is sale. DLC rarely goes on sale anymore.  If gaming wasn't an addiction this business model would not work.
 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 16:53:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/05/06 17:15:26
Sounds like a nightmare. Glad I don't play computer games.

 
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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 17:03:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/05/06 17:15:27
Thank goodness your DAW is not a game.
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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 17:05:52 (permalink)
I used to enjoy simulator type games that were real big back in the day. For some reason the masses seem to prefer smash and grab stuff with a very fast pace. It seems that console kids are driving the market. I don't like consoles for gaming and use mine as a media station for streaming. With a PC you have a ton of options that go unused with modern games.
Sonar is heading down the same road. People want to see something new every month, so they pump it out and if it's not right they figure they'll catch it in the next release or 2.
 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 21:52:38 (permalink)
I stopped liking video games around 1995 when the emphasis started shifting toward 3D modeling instead of gameplay. I loved many of the old 8-bit games previous to this and much prefered bouncing around a surreal 2D world full of floating penguins and pieces of fruit. 
 
I don't play games on my phone much but when I do, I always gravitate toward the simple puzzlers and suchlike. Never felt the urge to download a fully featured 3D action game. To date, the most enjoyable phone game I've ever played is Blendoku. It's an amazing challenge (unless you're color blind in which case it's downright impossible) and the sense of satisfaction you get from completing a level is infinitely better than anything I've played on a modern console. 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 23:03:58 (permalink)
Project Gotham Racing is my all-time favorite video game.  MY problem with games is the controllers.  Full left/full right, full throttle/no throttle will only go so far.  I got wheels/pedals for my X-Box (years ago), but they were still inadequate after a point.
 
PC games?  No thanks.  If I could get a game box with reasonable controls for driving and flying games I would have one.  Seems the only real development these days is FP shooter style games.  Meh.
 
 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/06 23:22:21 (permalink)
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 In my perfect world the gaming industry would be like the auto industry with factory recalls. If something is an issue with a game most likely it will never be patched after 6 months. They like to move on and create the next buggy version. Luckily gaming is an addiction and they can get away with half assed programming.  Try that with DAWs.
 
 
 
that sounds very much like cakewalk (and some others) look at all the bugs, the quirks and all the stuff that just doesn't work as it is supposed to, or at all. take a look at all the long standing bugs that just keep on keeping on from one iteration of sonar to the next. look at all the stuff they develop only to leave it in an underdeveloped, half baked and/or buggy state, theme editor for example, and there are many more. features that could have been great are developed and seemingly dropped and left in a mediocre state
 
 
 
kitekrazy1 
 
 Imagine if the Cakewalk forums were anything like Steam. All solutions are "it's your hardware".  The Gigastudio forums were full of ignorant people like that.
 



but they are, have a read around on other forums and see what they think of the cakewalk forums and it's inhabitants and it's ways? (and no, one should not really care what anyone else thinks) it is often said that if you have a problem the response you will get is "it's a 3rd party plugin", "it's pilot error" "it's your hardware, it's crap" i see it all the time, they make jokes of it because they seem to think that people here think sonar is 'perfection' and any issues just can not be sonars fault.
 
i have seen these things said here many times, and if you are honest with yourself, you to will admit it. i'm just being honest, and saying what i find said on other forums, and to be honest, what they say is exactly what you find here. but hey, who really cares
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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 01:01:03 (permalink)
#1 support response "try a clean reinstall".

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 06:59:57 (permalink)
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Project Gotham Racing is my all-time favorite video game.  MY problem with games is the controllers.  Full left/full right, full throttle/no throttle will only go so far.  I got wheels/pedals for my X-Box (years ago), but they were still inadequate after a point.
 
PC games?  No thanks.  If I could get a game box with reasonable controls for driving and flying games I would have one.  Seems the only real development these days is FP shooter style games.  Meh.
 
 

 
I hate modern controllers as well. That was one of the things which turned me off console games. For me though, it's that the modern games just have too many controls and buttons to learn. I found that for most types of games, a combination of keyboard and mouse was much more intuitive (the classic A/D/W combination for left/right/forward, with the mouse controlling head movements). One of the only "modern" video games I ever liked (even though it's over 15 years old) was the original Battlefield 1942. That game blew me away at the time because it not only had great graphics (for the era) but the gameplay was just perfect. I think it was the only time I really appreciated a good online multiplayer game. It was great fun. 
 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 12:44:59 (permalink)
Ah yes. The days of 'Leisure Suit Larry.' I miss them.

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 15:21:03 (permalink)
I quit pc games when I had to go online just to play. It became an ad to sell more os I stopped and haven't looked back. I still play Zelda wii and Metroid trilogy

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 17:23:08 (permalink)
I was totally hooked early on with the sierra rpg and zork stuff.  Then it got way violent, shooting  all the time.  I just took a pass.  

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 19:12:42 (permalink)
On the whole I dislike the worlds that many modern video games are set in. Never been into the whole fantasy genre - wizards and dragons don't really do it for me. Then you have the sci-fi themed worlds where you're clanking over metal walkways in dark underground locations with pipes shooting steam everywhere. These kinds of games just left me wishing that I was outside in a bright sunny world with a blue sky. Super Mario 64 on the Nintendo 64 was one of the best 3D games I ever played. The gameplay was outstanding and it was so colorful and cheerful. 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 19:44:07 (permalink)
Have you played the Myst series of games?  Awesome worlds there!  Plus they have a new one meant for 4k virtual reality - can't wait until I have the horsepower to play that!

 
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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 20:55:44 (permalink)
The Myst series were great. I was able to still play a couple of them under Win-7. Not sure they still work with Win-10. I was hoping they would continue the series. VR mode might be good, but I will be hesitant due to possible motion sickness.

For current games, World of Tanks is good. Free game with options to add premium add-ons for $$$, but game is totally playable in free mode playing with online teammates and opponents. World of Warships is a sister game, only played on the sea. War Thunder is another tank battle games that is good. No spacemen or monsters.

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 20:55:44 (permalink)
(Oops. Double post)

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/07 21:17:26 (permalink)
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I quit pc games when I had to go online just to play. It became an ad to sell more os I stopped and haven't looked back. I still play Zelda wii and Metroid trilogy




Metroid Trilogy is tremendous! Maybe my favorite all time game. Nowadays I like quick pick up and play games like pinball (Zen Pinball and Pinball Arcade are both good), and Arcade style shoot 'em ups (Geometry Wars and Ikaruga)

 
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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/08 07:58:41 (permalink)
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I stopped liking video games around 1995 when the emphasis started shifting toward 3D modeling instead of gameplay. I loved many of the old 8-bit games previous to this and much prefered bouncing around a surreal 2D world full of floating penguins and pieces of fruit. 
 
I don't play games on my phone much but when I do, I always gravitate toward the simple puzzlers and suchlike. Never felt the urge to download a fully featured 3D action game. To date, the most enjoyable phone game I've ever played is Blendoku. It's an amazing challenge (unless you're color blind in which case it's downright impossible) and the sense of satisfaction you get from completing a level is infinitely better than anything I've played on a modern console. 




My parents didn't have much money so I didn't really have access to video games until finances got better and my younger brother got his first Nintendo - I must have been 15 or 16 by then - so I never was a big gamer.  
 
For me, video games really were kid stuff in which I'd indulge every now and then. There were a couple go games I really liked, such as the whole Castlevania series, but I'd only play late at night after my brother went to bed when I had nothing better to do and he'd rented a game that I liked.
 
The shift to 3D meant the end of my gaming career. I never could play those games because I can't even watch without feeling dizzy - I am hyper sensitive to those things and I can give myself vertigo just thinking about it. One time I thought I was cured because it didn't immediately make me feel dizzy, so I watched a 3D game my girlfriend was playing for a while. I suffered from severe vertigo for 2 days afterwards.
 
All the better - the time I'd waste on game I spend reading books and learning things. Granted, people look at you kind of strange when you're sitting at the bar by yourself drinking diet cola and reading a big book before a rock show, but, CandyCrush really isn't my thing...

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/08 12:37:15 (permalink)
Back in 2013, I actually built my PC for DAW use & gaming since much of the hardware was quite similar (except for the graphics card). Over the years, I've got a pretty good selection from all the Steam sales events of the best games (GOTY), and my graphics card handles them all quite well even at max settings. Of course, I'm not looking to keep up with the latest/greatest, but very happy with how my system is responding.
 
With all these excellent games I have, my favourite is still a free game.......Team Fortress 2.
 

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/09 03:53:27 (permalink)
Right now I could really get into an old school text based game. They were very rewarding to play. Today's version could be audio based. Same premise, except the PC verbally describes the situation and you just say what you want to do. No typing, just cut scenes based on the story line.

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/09 12:25:35 (permalink)
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Right now I could really get into an old school text based game. They were very rewarding to play. Today's version could be audio based. Same premise, except the PC verbally describes the situation and you just say what you want to do. No typing, just cut scenes based on the story line.






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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/09 12:27:45 (permalink)
Hi,
 
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Some things are better than others, but the only games that are improving, seem to be the likes of WoW, EQ (though its lost its fanbase!) and maybe one or two other games out there. The guy at the Game Spot here near us, even has said that the sale of many of the games that some computer magazines love to tell you is great, is almost not worth discussing, and I asked him that if the download side of things is the part that hurts his business ... he thinks it's about 50/50 right now, as there are way too many folks that learn about the game from friends and the store and the pictures.
 
The best designed game, probably would be WoW, although there are portions of it that is repetitive, and you can see it, the color is the difference and the shading goes that way, instead of another way, but in general there are several issues that WoW is introducing to the game, that is disconcerting, and something that I think will be a part of the games in the future even if they are in the X-box (talk about copy!!!!).
 
Wow has created an intentional mouse mis-direction for your character when a mob/npc uses an AoE (area effect) and it changes your direction from 90 to 180 degrees, which means you can not do your next cast until you turn around, and no magazines are totally ripping this apart ... as inapropriate and bad code, and an intentional process to disable the abilities of each player enough for the fight to last longer ... which, of course, is a benefit to the mob/npc, not you, the player.
 
There are other small details that are really improper, and not checked or are left intentionally undocumented, so you have to go figure it out ... quests where the information is evasive and intentionally mis-directed ... which is OK to a point ... and fun in lower levels, but at high levels, this is not fun at all.
But perhaps, the worst of it all, is the amount of lies and mis-direction by many of the programmers themselves ... as was the situation with one guy proudly saying that Blizzard is very happy with how they setup the flying process in their new expansion, which was a continuation of many other factions and factors from the previous situation, when in the end, what he did not say was that 4 to 5 years ago, a player could BUY the flying ... and all that Blizzard did was ensure that you had to play for it ... but a kid thought it was far out that they had setup 1452 quests, so you could finally fly in this expansion!
 
In essence, they have turned the game over to the cheaters and the power players ... and will eventually lose the rest of the folks, just like EQ did, because the separation was horrendous, and the majority of the players could not achieve anything, including getting pieces for their epic armor, some of which would take months to drop ... no kidding! WoW might not be doing that, but they are saying that if you are not a full time, serious player, then you are not going to fly in this expansion, and if you do, you will finally get there some two expansions or 3 years behind everyone else ... you are no longer a serious player and probably will quit any time.
 
The hard part for me, is that I have not been able to record something, play it back on my ears, and be able to add another part to it ... and trying to get some help and someone to come over (and get paid for it) to show me, is worst than pulling teeth on an elephant, or I might as well not bother with music ... because it's become a world of geek'ery that is not interested in music ... in my days and time, this was something you shared with lots of love and affection ... but nowadays, it's become ... I know more than you and I'm not sharing my secrets ... like I would ever need any of your secrets!
 
Gaming, is for fun ... and something I enjoy still, and for an old foggie, it is magnificent for hand/eye co-ordination and maintaining a reasonable ability in your hands, some active movement that otherwise might not be there. But it also adds your brain, since you have to think a wee bit and then do, and this is a very good thing as you get old. I'm not saying that this does not happen in music, but I think that preventing and not helping people take their first steps in the DAW world, is about as bad as you just kicking your kid and tell him/her to go ahead and fall off the bike and get your knee scraped! I'm not helping you learn how to ride. Some kids need some help. Some kids don't.
 
And the gaming business is no different. And neither are the folks involved in it, anywhere else! Sonar is no different!

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/09 20:10:34 (permalink)
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Right now I could really get into an old school text based game. They were very rewarding to play. Today's version could be audio based. Same premise, except the PC verbally describes the situation and you just say what you want to do. No typing, just cut scenes based on the story line.









YES!

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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/10 04:30:27 (permalink)
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Right now I could really get into an old school text based game. They were very rewarding to play. Today's version could be audio based. Same premise, except the PC verbally describes the situation and you just say what you want to do. No typing, just cut scenes based on the story line.









YES!




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Re: My dislike for modern PC games. 2017/05/10 04:32:05 (permalink)
Hey!  Look what I found!
 
http://www.web-adventures.org/cgi-bin/webfrotz?s=Adventure
 
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