My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol

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2012/10/25 23:53:37 (permalink)

My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol

Ok this is a pretty static mix, pianos are vst as is the drums and pad. Bass guitar I played and my friend sang it.

I know now that the ess's are horrible, I struggled to eq them out. But she was nervous and I dont have alot of micing expierance.

Please let me know what you guys think.

Also the vocal at the start is surpose to be weird, out of tune and almost spoken, its a pretty dark song.
 

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    jamesyoyo
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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 00:25:21 (permalink)
    This is a pretty good idea.  Couple of things:
    lose some of the body of the voice..do a high pass filter up to about 250hz
    add a slap back reverb and pan it right, then send some of that piano over there
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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 08:41:53 (permalink)
    Nice voice on the lady.  But I had a very hard time with intelligibilty..I couldn't understand what she was saying most of the time.   What compressor/settings are you using on her?

    Definitely adjust the panning of the piano to be in each side...it is quite fatiguing being panned so far left only.  And some nice ambience on it will really help, although my own taste would not call for slapback (sorry james...lol).

    I have a feeling the bass will end up being just a little loud in the master mix...maybe all that's needed is some multiband compression and reduce the gain of the low end a dB or 2.

    I think the Sonar Vintage Channel compressor has a nice de-esser in it.  Try that if her sibilance is a problem for you... I didn't really notice it too much.

    SOme hall reverb on your string pad would add a nice touch also.

    Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing with us!

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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 11:54:38 (permalink)
    I've just listened twice because I like this song, and I wanted to respond to what has already been said.  I don't think this needs much treatment at all.  It's a simple song with a simple arrangement, so don't go overboard trying to fix it.  The vocal is lovely, and I quite like the tone of the voice.  A few words are hard to understand, but a volume envelope would help bring those words out.  The reverb is light, and quite appropriate.

    One trick that may help in the future for the vocal's intelligibility, would be to run the vocal through a compressor with light settings as you're going into the computer.  This is an age old engineering trick, and it requires a very light touch, but it lessens the burden on the singer.  It does require a fairly decent hardware compressor, though.  Many will disagree with me, but this has been a tried and true practice nearly since Edison's days.  Regardless, this is a lovely tune, and you'd have to work to screw this up.

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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 12:03:31 (permalink)
    I just hit the [LIKE] button.



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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 12:23:38 (permalink)
    nice job.... the girl can sing and has a nice voice. 

    I had a bit of difficulty with understanding the words as well....  I don't listen on cans on this computer so panning issues are hard to hear. but.... since it was mentioned above.... with this simple arrangement.... vox down the center.... I might record 2 unison tracks on the vocals and pan them R/L at 60% but low in the mix... really low... they will add almost a subliminal stereo field to the voice. I use this on some, but not all vocal tracks and the 2 side tracks are so low they are almost not there. 

    I listened on my lappy with cans... really nice.

    If you are going to put the piano on the left like that, you have to have something on the right to balance it. The ears can stand the panning but not as easily when there is total silence or a lack of balance in the other side of the mix.  Throw a guitar or even a string pad in there and you solve that issue.

    I thought the bass and drums were a bit loud for the mix. I was distracted by how loud they were as they overpowered the vocalist. 

    Great song.... great performance, the mix is in need of a few minor tweezes.  

    Oh yeah..... edit to one more thing.... I would throw just the slightest hint of some dark plate verb on that girl. Just a tiny bit. 




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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 13:10:35 (permalink)
    Lynn.. I totally agree about using a mic pre ahead of Sonar on vocals.  Very good suggestion!

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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 14:55:34 (permalink)
    The vox is kind of boxy and maybe a bit distorted (but I've been mixing for what seems likes 3 days straight so I could be wrong).
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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/26 17:53:11 (permalink)
      Biggest thing is like others have said, it's a little boxy on the vox, and the overall mix could use a little scoop @ 250 to tame the mud. Much more good about it than bad. Better than most of the "commercial" studios around here.
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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/27 09:55:18 (permalink)
    I like the song a lot, she has a nice voice. Mix needs some tweaking for me - it leans a bit left and the vox are a little buried in places making it a harder listen than it should be. I would either send some of the piano to the right or put something else in there to balance it up a bit. This is a good start though, she has a nice voice and I'm sure confidence will come with practice.

    Seeing as you're a first time poster I will add my usual disclaimer that anything I say is just how I hear it and I don't claim to be any kind of expert - still trying to figure all this stuff out myself ! 
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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/28 15:54:44 (permalink)
    Well Dylan, old boy, I don't have an engineer's ear so I only know if I like it or not.  Little things that drive those boys crazy, I don't even hear.  I do hear bad and good.  This is good to me.  I'm on good monitors and it's solid.  LOVE THE VOCALIST!!!  I would add some other "filling" tracks but couldn't tell you what at this time.  Alwasy some guitar comps, etc, and more bass.  Oops, bass was very strong.  It doesn't need more, but as a bass player I am always obliged to say "more bass".  Chuckle.  This is a nice track. 

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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/28 16:05:41 (permalink)
    I have to say that I REALLY love her voice...

    I don't know if this has had anything done to it since you posted it (changes)

    Try using the VX-64 Vocal Strip's De-esser if you don't have just a stand alone De-esser for the 
    "ess's" - It can be quite the useful tool if you don't have "others" ...

    I think it's a very good song!



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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/28 23:08:46 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum, this was a really good track. Keep creating, waiting for more! - Shawn

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    Re:My first posted mix, please rip it apart lol 2012/10/28 23:55:24 (permalink)
    I like it.
    Follow through on the suggestions, particularly panning.
    With a few minor tweaks, this has the potential to be a really great track.
    Your vocalist has nothing to be nervous about. Her delivery fits the mood of the piece.
    Work this, and keep us posted.
    I think this one can polish up really nicely.

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