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My flashlight is spying on me
Like most people, I have a flashlight app on my smartphone. It was a free download. It's handy to always have a flashlight in my pocket. I use it often while setting up on stage. Yesterday I noticed that it was storing 8.2 MB of data (beyond the 6.7 MB the app itself takes up). I found that surprising. What on earth would a flashlight be storing? For that matter, why is a program that simply turns on a light 6.7 MB in size? Then I checked the app's settings. Shockingly, I had given this flashlight the following permissions: - read phone status and identity - take pictures and videos - read, modify and delete my USB storage - change system display settings - full network access: receive data from internet, view network connections, view wi-fi connections - retrieve running apps - control flashlight and prevent phone from sleeping - modify system settings Holy crap! This flashlight can take photos without my knowledge, monitor all network activity, know what other apps I have, and even reconfigure my phone. I then checked other apps on my phone. I have a compass app that I actually paid for. It has permission to take photos and has full network access. Why does it need any of that to tell me which way is North? Another one is called "Earth", a map utility. It has permission to find, use, add and delete accounts on the device. AT&T installed an app that (I think) lets me use my phone as a TV remote. It can take pictures and videos, send, receive and edit text messages, record audio, read and modify my Contacts, read and modify my calendar, read and write web bookmarks. It's true: there's no such thing as a free lunch. Those "free" apps may be nothing more than a trojan horse.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 14:27:53
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Google Maps comes with Android phones. No need for anything redundant.
Mine also has a flashlight that came with it. All it does is turn on and off the camera flash.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 14:44:49
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OMG that's frightening! Thanks for the heads up Dave.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 14:58:53
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bitflipper It's true: there's no such thing as a free lunch. Those "free" apps may be nothing more than a trojan horse.
So download and install the FREE version of Cakewalk by Bandlab today!!! <GGG>
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 15:09:20
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☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/04/17 15:12:29
I actually did visit BandLab's privacy statement after this. It's pretty simple, but does leave some loopholes if they ever wanted to be nasty about it. Including the standard "we can change this policy any time we like". But compared to the lengthy privacy policy from my bank, it's quite straightforward. And not nearly as nasty as Amazon's policy, which says they can and will sell everything they know about you.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 15:29:05
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I guess a more perplexing question for me is why do they want the info? On the surface ot seems they are data mining to use for sales leads. The reason why I get green coffee beans advertisements following me around all over the web. If they want to turn on my camera, they will see me in my underwear or maybe something else they really don't want to see. If they turn on my audio they won't hear anything interesting. I'm probably too far gone. I have Alexa in three rooms of my house. She does my lighting and controls my heat/AC with voice control. Tells me the weather. The thing I find curious is sometimes my Android will ask me for location data when I'm downloading an app that is totally unrelated to location. Probably more data mining.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 15:30:41
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When I got my first Android-based phone a few months ago, I went to Google Play to look for useful apps, especially free ones. It took me a while to notice the "Permissions" link way down at the bottom of the app description pages. It was a shock to see what we're agreeing to when we install some of these apps.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 16:22:36
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I made a comment about those apps a couple weeks ago. Google has incredibly lax app store requirements, so seeing the OP scenario is more the norm than the exception. Apple is more stringent on developers.
Several years ago I drove past a bus and got the message popup "so and so would like to share your address book." New phone with new features... That wasn't a good one.
Always verify permissions of apps and understand your OS platform. Cells phones are the easiest vehicle for nefarious activity for various reasons. The fact that most people cannot be physically separated from their phone make the risk that much more... I had a friend whose phone got hot when she left her home because her gf was stalking her via FB (GPS tracking made her phone hot). It got enabled by that person sending the request when she was in the bathroom and accepted without her knowledge.
Be safe, not sorry.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 18:13:45
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What privileges does band lab want on phones. Perhaps Meng can educate us on what they really do.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 19:49:40
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For more Orwellian fun, you can now dowload your Facebook history. (Click Download a copy of your Facebook data at the bottom of General Account Settings on your FB page.) You will get a zip archive sent to you in about 30 minutes that will contain everything FB knows about you and everything you have done, said, uploaded on FB. You might be shocked at the list of advertisers who have your contact info! I know I did not give them my info...
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 21:14:37
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bitflipper Holy crap! This flashlight can take photos without my knowledge, monitor all network activity, know what other apps I have, and even reconfigure my phone.
I don't care what your excuse is, Dave. I *really* don't want to stumble across a picture of your junk on the internet!
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/09 22:25:25
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But if we DO stumble across said picture... At least it's well lit!😀 Does anyone think Gibson probably sold all our info? I know I do
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/10 02:47:00
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dmbaer
bitflipper Holy crap! This flashlight can take photos without my knowledge, monitor all network activity, know what other apps I have, and even reconfigure my phone.
I don't care what your excuse is, Dave. I *really* don't want to stumble across a picture of your junk on the internet!
+1, nothing like the 12 seconds after this please... https://youtu.be/kxl0nitAixc?t=4s
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/10 11:38:57
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Now, I'm think what other apps are doing this on my smartphone? We need a new smart app to search for these culprits.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/11 04:14:06
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Yep. Almost all of those handy little "flashlight" apps are data miners. So you get a free flashlight, while some hacker in Russia gets all of your private data to do with as he pleases. Free? Not so much. Smile and say Привет! :D
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/11 10:23:19
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☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2018/04/11 17:02:10
There are definitely unscrupulous app developers on the play store, unfortunately. As a developer, they are getting better at enforcing stricter controls, but I'm personally very careful about what apps I download on Android too (just like installing files on Windows!)
For those asking about BandLab the app - as listed on the Play Store:
This app has access to:
Photos / Media / Files read the contents of your USB storage modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
-> so that you can upload audio files/photos/video, or download them
Storage read the contents of your USB storage modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
-> same as above, for local storage of projects to work offline, etc
Camera take pictures and videos
-> for photo/video shouts
Microphone record audio
-> for recording audio
Other receive data from Internet view network connections full network access
-> for cloud access, projects recorded on PC/iOS/Web etc
run at startup
-> for push notifications
control vibration prevent device from sleeping
-> so your phone doesn't go to sleep when recording your masterpiece!
Hope that's interesting to you guys!
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/11 10:24:05
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What is the name of the flashlight app?
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/11 21:19:53
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Meng, you're awesome. TY so much for that info. I may reinstall the phone app. Not sure yet. What about the Windows application in Startup in Task Manager for BandLab? Do we need that?
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/13 22:58:15
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I feel like my iPhone flashlight comes on at random times when I'm filming with my phone. I definitely don't have it set to come on but sometimes it does. The first time it happened, I was trying to secretly film a crazy person singing along with her iPod on the subway. She was going nuts and I thought worthy of some footage. So I opened the camera app and very nonchalantly held the phone at the required angle, trying not to make it obvious. Only the flashlight went on and it shone right in her face. Needless to say, I had to get off the train a few stops before my intended destination.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/14 00:20:59
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/14 23:41:58
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meng What is the name of the flashlight app?
It was called "Flashlight". Probably one of many out there so named.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/17 15:27:52
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gswitz What privileges does band lab want on phones. Perhaps Meng can educate us on what they really do.
I'm paranoid, but I didn't break a sweat when the BandLab iPhone app asked for permission to access my mic :) You can also choose not to be notified in the case somebody likes or comment on your published songs. Big Data is Big Business, but I don't have the impression that BL has any ambitions in that direction.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/17 15:32:23
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HeatherHaze Yep. Almost all of those handy little "flashlight" apps are data miners. So you get a free flashlight, while some hacker in Russia gets all of your private data to do with as he pleases. Free? Not so much. Smile and say Привет! :D
And the stingy NSA who monitors and logs all data traffic on the net, of course get it for free on the way out ...
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/24 12:49:21
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Interesting thread. It does make me wonder. What would lead anyone to believe their life was interesting enough to cause someone else to go to the trouble of creating a free app to spy on them?
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/24 13:25:39
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It's a good job this isn't in the Coffee House otherwise I'd probably be starting a sister thread entitled "My Fleshlight Is Spying On Me"
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/04/24 13:30:43
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If you buy stuff, people who want to sell you stuff find you interesting. If you vote or express opinions, you're interesting to politicians and lobbyists whose mission is to figure out what you think - because they know that whatever your opinion is about anything, someone will pay them to convince you that you are wrong. If you simply exist, you're still interesting to marketers just for being part of the human aggregate.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/05/03 10:53:07
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Time to clean the phone of... unneeded stuff that may be spying on me.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/05/07 16:23:25
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I get all excited about a free app but when I see that permissions screen I delete it. I have only a few Apps on my iPhone and those did not require any permissions. Sharke, you can turn off the Auto Flash in your camera app. Set it to manual.
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/05/08 20:23:43
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Crazy world we 're living in , i tend to be paranoid , maybe because i come from a computing master degree , or maybe because i simply know the world we're living in ,i deactivate everything on smart phone , unistall everything , only use minimal stuff ....same on computer , but i also know it's not sufficient so i simply control what infos can be seen ..... commercial use of information is the head of the iceberg , social engineering and population manipulation is another one area that sounds like a old 80 'movie but true , security agencies profiling ect .... again nothing dangerous until it comes dangerous and then , not escape .... I remeber how i laughted when people we're exited to get finger print sensor on smartphones lol or eye reconnaisance on computers .... just waiting for the blood dna collection to close the circle ....
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Re: My flashlight is spying on me
2018/05/09 09:12:12
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my now-retired father, once a telecoms engineer then project director, once told my friends and i never to say anything on the phone you wouldn't shout across a crowded bar IN THE MID-80s!!
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