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My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
I set out a year ago to find a software synthesizer. Not just another addition to my collection, but the One Synth that was versatile enough to fill all my needs, and warrant the time to truly learn it inside and out. I wanted the kind of long-term semi-monogamous relationship I once had with hardware synths. It's been a long process, during which time I've demoed just about every synth ever mentioned on KVR. That, my friends, is a long list. Some were eliminated because they were too "VA" - I may be an old fart, but I'm not stuck in the 1970's. Some were just too obtuse or too cute in the way they're meant to be programmed, or had dreadful UIs. Some were very proud of their ability to create a "supersaw" but apparently little else. Some had sophisticated arpeggiators that were like mini-sequencers, but I hate arps - no matter how clever at the end of the day they're just computer-generated notes. Some of the synths were too hungry for my aged computer and had to be passed over. Some pretty good ones were not being actively developed anymore, so they got scratched lest I be stuck with an orphan. One by one, they all got crossed off the list. In the end only two remained: Synthmaster and Zebra. Both satisfied every criterion. In the end, Zebra won out. Deciding factors were its CPU-efficiency and ease of programming. Another factor is version 3 currently under development, which, although an entirely new product, will only be a $39 upgrade for Zebra owners. With the addition of Zebra, along with Omnisphere and Kontakt, I feel I've completed the golden triangle. I can't imagine much ground that I can't cover now. OK, that OTS Rick is still on the wish list, but that's icing. Kontakt will always be a money-hole.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/14 23:06:49
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A prized money hole you might say.
Two internal 2TB SSDs laptop stuffed with Larry's deals and awesome tools. Studio One is the cat's meow as a DAW now that I've migrated off of Sonar. Using BandLab Cakewalk just to grab old files when migrating songs.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/14 23:07:41
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I just bought SynthMaster today, 30% off until Sept. 1 and an additional 5% for signing up for their newsletter.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/14 23:26:39
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I came very close to choosing Synthmaster based on its price advantage, which with discounts would have been $90 versus $200 for Zebra. I even bought a back issue of some magazine in order to get the lite version and thereby qualify for an additional discount. The price would have included 3 additional patch libraries, and some of them were truly outstanding. Dollar-for-dollar and feature-for-feature, Synthmaster is a great bargain.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
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Yeah, I was prepared to pay the $90 and then when I downloaded the demo, the site offered an additional 5% off for signing up for their newsletter. Coincidentally I went back to your other thread about non-EDM synths earlier today to get some ideas for a new toy. The U-he synths are nice.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 01:10:19
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Diva is the one I have to fight against! I need a bit about learn Reaktor which came with my Komplete 8 before buying anymore synths.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 09:50:21
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I no longer have any analog synths. I called a friend that did, but he said he'd sold his last one. I didn't know anybody else, so I paid the extra 50 bucks for Zebra. I was not happy about that. Like Spectrasonics, U-he never discounts, never holds sales or even offers introductory prices on new products. You wanna play, you pay.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 11:37:04
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bitflipper I no longer have any analog synths. I called a friend that did, but he said he'd sold his last one. I didn't know anybody else, so I paid the extra 50 bucks for Zebra. I was not happy about that. Like Spectrasonics, U-he never discounts, never holds sales or even offers introductory prices on new products. You wanna play, you pay.
Not exactly true. Did you take time to read what qualifies & look at some of the pics? I received the $50.00 off & put it towards HZ Dark Zebra.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 12:40:50
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Does the HZ pack come with or is it an added thingy?
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 12:47:29
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It's an addon & separate. You use the user name & registration from Zebra so you need it as a prerequisite.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 13:08:25
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HZ was a custom build for Hans Zimmer that adds Diva's famous filters to Zebra. It's not included in the base package, but you get it with the Dark Zebra patch set for $99. Dark Zebra is a pretty nice cinematic-oriented soundset, with 400 presets made by two masters of sound design, Hans Z and Howard Scarr. I'm considering buying it, but that $200 pretty much blew my music software budget for the next 3-4 months.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 16:44:38
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bitflipper U-he never discounts, never holds sales or even offers introductory prices on new products. You wanna play, you pay.
I kind of like that, in a way. You can buy without the worry that you'll want to kick yourself a few months later for missing a really good price. The one place you can get a discount is in Luftrum's annual (in Dec. IIRC) charity on-line sale supporting a very worthy cause. Urs always offers some very generous contributions to that. On the other hand, it's a lot like E-bay. Unless you place the final bid a millisecond before the deadline, somebody else is sure to win. Another great thing about Zebra (and SynthMaster as well, I might add) are some superb third party sound set offerings. I don't know if they're even all listed on the u-he site. But drop in at the u-he forum on KVR and ask for opinions. You could easily spend an amount equal to the Zebra purchase price on these and it would be money well spent ... but the good news is that you need not spend it all at once.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 16:51:32
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You mean to say TTS-1 is not enough for you? Goes away in a huff!
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 17:06:22
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Good choice bitflipper! Zebra, Omni, and Kontakt make an excellent trio.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 21:49:13
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Another great thing about Zebra (and SynthMaster as well, I might add) are some superb third party sound set offerings. I'm afraid that if I buy a bunch of patches it'll distract me from my primary goal of rolling my own. The factory sound set already contains plenty of good examples for reverse-engineering. Oh yeh, I talk a good talk, but I suspect there will be a few bucks going down a new Zebra money-hole. I'm listening to the demo for the Transmission soundset right now. Just 30 bucks. Must be strong - I still don't have that Rick.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/15 22:15:00
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Congrats Bit - it's a very difficult choice to be sure.
I'm not sure I could narrow it to one myself, but I have imposed a rule that I won't add to the synth stable till I've either mastered, or discarded the stuff I already have, which includes FM8, Reactor and Massive from NI, Alchemy from Camel Audio, and Tassman from AAS. I really thing this should have me covered for anything I need to do, though I do drool over Zebra. Not sure why, but Synthmaster has never really captured my fancy - the demo songs just don't grab me like many of the Zebra demos do. But, any new synth will have to wait till I've spent a lot more quality time with what I have. I've even put off downloading the Zebralette freebie<G>!
I know that an awful lot of folks really love Omnisphere, and every demo I've heard has sounded amazing. I suspect if I ever had a chance to use it I'd change my tune, but I don't really understand why I need it. Kontakt is, well, Kontakt, and yes, you really want the OTS Rick bass!!!
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 09:46:52
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The case against Omnisphere, for those who don't have it and think maybe they should... Nobody NEEDS Omnisphere. It's not a "bread 'n butter" instrument, neither as a synth nor as a sample player. It's not where you'd turn first for a bass or a piano. Strings, maybe, but although it has some very sweet-sounding strings you get no articulations like you would from a good Kontakt string library. The strings, like so many Omnisphere patches, are meant for beds, not as featured instruments. Most Omnisphere patches are designed to sound good on their own, in solo. They'll typically have impractically-long release times and/or be drenched in reverb, delay and chorus effects. They are usually very broad-spectrum. Played in isolation, they make you go "oooh". But try to squeeze them into an actual mix, and they either muddy everything up or get lost. Most patches, unless featured up front or in solo, will require envelope modification, paring-back of effects, and aggressive equalization (usually a HPF) before they can be slotted into a mix. Omnisphere's sample library is a closed, proprietary system, so there is little third-party support. The only aftermarket patch libraries available use only Omnisphere's synth engine, as they are not allowed to use its samples. So unlike almost any other synth or sampler, when you buy Omnisphere what you see is what you get. (Yeah, yeah, it's a big library! Not as big as my Kontakt collection, though.) Omnisphere is a resource hog. You'd better have a top-spec machine if you want to run more than a couple instances. Sometimes, patches play OK but end up garbled after a fast bounce or export. Because many patches are so large, browsing patches during project playback may not be practical. Finally, it's fairly pricey in the soft synth world. It's in the same ballpark with NI Komplete, which gives you a whole lot more content and variety. It's twice the price of Alchemy, arguably Omnisphere's closest competitor. Hope those of you who don't have Omnisphere will feel a little better after reading this. Now as for me...well, to paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can take away my Omnisphere from my cold, dead hands.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 15:09:31
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you did a good job of summing up my impression of Omnisphere... it is cool, it sounds BRILLIANT, it is expensive, and for now I don't really need it. I can create sounds similar to some of the more popular Omni patches in Alchemy and to a slightly lesser degree, Tassman.
My Kontakt library has exceeded half a GB, which concerns me. I would not want to rebuild it from scratch<G>!!!! (that's why it is backed up as built as well as the source.)
Thanks for confirming my impression Bit
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 15:37:48
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Bit I've wanted Zebra for about 4 or 5 years now.... I have the CM-Zebra with several additional free sound sets and it is just KILLER....I have the Demo of Zebra 2 and all I can say is I want it!!!! along with the Dark Zebra....I want it , I want it, I want it, I want it..........I need it.....I want it........OOHHH! But then again I have wanted the FabFilter Plugs for the same amount of time as well.................... Now on the other hand I just got me a recording student a month and a Half and I am $60 towards my Zebra 2 Purchase!!!!!! It will not be long now! I am also committed to working on FM8 and Massive......
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 17:19:02
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I am fairly new to synths as my background is guitars and keys/pianos but have been expanding my horizons. I have picked up Zeta 2 and have all the synths that come with NI Komplete. Just curious what is it that makes Zebra stand out above these? I have been trying to decide which synth to really cut my teeth on so I am curious.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 19:18:17
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Crowned One Just curious what is it that makes Zebra stand out above these?
Curious you should mention Zeta 2, since it shares something with Zebra that most synths don't offer: wave shaping, although in Zebra it's called something like Spectral Transforms. But that's neither here nor there. It's hard to say what makes Zebra special, but the number of extremely good sound libraries created for it attest to it's special qualities. Urs Heckmann, the main developer, is an extraordinary designer of audio software, so that surely has something to do with it. The documentation is pretty good ... sufficient at least for sound designers to get the necessary information out of so they can do their thing, but it's not great, so that's not the secret of Zebra's success. It's difficult to answer your question. Zebra does things a little differently than other synths but, apart from the spectral transforms, it doesn't have anything particularly unique in the world of synths. The individual components all sound good, but other a number of other synths can legitimately make that claim. Zebra's architecture just organizes the basic synth components in a way that invites innovative sound design, I suppose.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/16 21:39:53
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Now on the other hand I just got me a recording student a month and a Half and I am $60 towards my Zebra 2 Purchase!!!!!! Mine was financed via a penny jar I'd been throwing pocket change into for the past 6 months. I got the idea last summer after driving my grandson to the bank so he could cash out his penny jar (actually a small beer keg), and was surprised when it yielded $550! Just curious what is it that makes Zebra stand out...? What distinguishes any synth from any other is its ability to create complex sounds that aren't static and boring and that engage the listener's ear. They all do this primarily through modulation, filters, and amplitude controls, but Zebra's modulation capabilities are absolutely staggering. The stuff you can do with just the oscillators, even before adding any other modifiers, is amazing. I'm just at the beginning of my Zebra journey. I thought I knew about synthesizers. I've been tweaking them for 40 years. But Zebra is a whole 'nuther step up. The 90-page manual is really just an abridged quick-start overview of the main features!
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
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bitflipper
Now on the other hand I just got me a recording student a month and a Half and I am $60 towards my Zebra 2 Purchase!!!!!! Mine was financed via a penny jar I'd been throwing pocket change into for the past 6 months. I got the idea last summer after driving my grandson to the bank so he could cash out his penny jar (actually a small beer keg), and was surprised when it yielded $550!
Bit! Thanks for reminding me about that......You know I have done the same thing most all my life but with the advent of the debit card my coin jar fills slower now a days......but I still have one that I have been thinking about what to put the money to.......this would be an excellent solution!!!! When I was on the road my coin jar was a coffee can...medium size one and it filled very fast cause a lot of purchases were cash....so it was not hard to come up with four or five hundered dollars in no time just in coin.....but the can was heavy as all get out..... My jars now will hold about 30 to 35 dollars but I have couple of them spread through out the house..... Yeah Baby, Zebra is closer than I think! :-)
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/17 09:48:32
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Ask around - musicians, music stores - and try to locate an analog synthesizer you can take a photo of (with a card on top that says "replaced by Zebra"). Send it in to u-he and get 50 bucks off Zebra.
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/17 10:27:37
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bitflipper Ask around - musicians, music stores - and try to locate an analog synthesizer you can take a photo of (with a card on top that says "replaced by Zebra"). Send it in to u-he and get 50 bucks off Zebra.
As I said earlier read the page ( the Emerson pic made me smile too): "On the other hand, certain rack mounted units or digital synthesizers can qualify. That depends. Rumours has it that even one or two digital hardware synthesizers have become classics in the meantime." I used something not exactly vintage but was able to get the $50.00 discount. If you have some h/w equipment lying around & uncertain if it qualifies email him & ask! Great products & customer service btw..
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Re: My longest-ever shopping quest finally concluded
2013/07/17 13:36:07
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As a tip on the $50 off Dinosaur discount, some have even baked cakes that were decorated like analog synths to get the discount. They are VERY generous in their standards to get the discount. You could always give it a try (and yes, they do typically give it for retiring any sort of synth hardware...digital or analog).
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