Dave Modisette
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My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
No way. Not tonight. Got a mix session in a couple of hours - that would be a dumb move. The Solo card was a factory rebate from the purchase of a UA 710 Twinfinity.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/18 18:32:04
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They install/authorize super easy. Install it and go straight to the UA store and buy the Studer while it's $50 off! Thank me later...
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/18 18:50:20
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I have a UAD-2 Solo/Laptop, it's great! I ended up selling my laptop and got a desktop instead last year and I got a PCIe adapter for laptop cards for $20.. I was dreading having to buy a desktop card, but anyways.. I think its great, for bigger mix sessions I have to freeze the odd track but I use other plugs besides the UAD ones, enjoy!
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Dave Modisette
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/18 23:09:43
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Installed the card after the session and everything seems to be working ok. I find the sensitivity of the knobs is going to take some getting used to. I over rotate the knobs to very surprising results. LOUD. One thing for sure is the UA versions of the same compressors that SONAR has sounds better.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/18 23:19:04
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Dave - If I'm not mistaken, you can hold SHIFT as you manipulate the controls for finer control. I may be thinking of something else though.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/18 23:22:22
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Also, which compressor(s) are you referring to? I haven't used any SONAR plugins in years.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/19 00:37:20
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The older UAD LA2A and 1176 are not as close to the real hardware as the Sonar versions are but the 1176 trio pack that was just released are pretty close to the hardware. Don't pass those up if you can upgrade.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/19 13:21:50
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Wondering aloud here; How is the latency when using these plug-ins in real time monitoring? Sometimes as I am tracking I might want to hear some verb or compression in my headphone mix as it affects the way the artist might perform. I am hoping that I would be able to use the UAD plug-ins judaciously while tracking without getting the latency past the 5 - 10 ms range. (1.5 - 2 ms would be preferred.)
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/19 15:43:30
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Something else that I found out and shocked me a bit (I forgot) was that I only had one extra PCI-E slot. So, if I add any more UAD cards it will be at the additional expense of a computer revamp. That's not necessarily bad since I've had this one for a few years and it only has 4 cores.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 09:00:39
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Mod Bod Wondering aloud here; How is the latency when using these plug-ins in real time monitoring? Sometimes as I am tracking I might want to hear some verb or compression in my headphone mix as it affects the way the artist might perform. I am hoping that I would be able to use the UAD plug-ins judaciously while tracking without getting the latency past the 5 - 10 ms range. (1.5 - 2 ms would be preferred.) I find that the latency that UAD-1 plugins add is unacceptable for tracking. So I never apply UAD plugs until I'm certain that all tracking is finished. This is one reason why I love the Cakewalk PC2A leveler, it feels great singing through it in real time, and it sounds like it should IMO. I'm upgrading to a UAD-2 solo in a couple of days. Should I expect the latency performance to be any better?
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 09:05:09
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Middleman the 1176 trio pack that was just released are pretty close to the hardware. I thought it was just the regular and "lite" 1176s plus a bonus model. Are they all revamped?
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Dave Modisette
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 09:36:21
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SvenArne Mod Bod Wondering aloud here; How is the latency when using these plug-ins in real time monitoring? Sometimes as I am tracking I might want to hear some verb or compression in my headphone mix as it affects the way the artist might perform. I am hoping that I would be able to use the UAD plug-ins judaciously while tracking without getting the latency past the 5 - 10 ms range. (1.5 - 2 ms would be preferred.) I find that the latency that UAD-1 plugins add is unacceptable for tracking. So I never apply UAD plugs until I'm certain that all tracking is finished. This is one reason why I love the Cakewalk PC2A leveler, it feels great singing through it in real time, and it sounds like it should IMO. I'm upgrading to a UAD-2 solo in a couple of days. Should I expect the latency performance to be any better? Hmmm, I didn't think things through fully and anticipated that since the UAD plug-ins weren't a burden to CPU resources that there wouldn't be any latency. But thinking on it now, there is going to be latency for any intensive processing done whether it is native or running parallel so to speak. Heck, I used to experience latency effects through hardware processors back in my ADAT days. Not a problem, just a consideration to be dealt with.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 12:49:27
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Mod Bod Hmmm, I didn't think things through fully and anticipated that since the UAD plug-ins weren't a burden to CPU resources that there wouldn't be any latency. But thinking on it now, there is going to be latency for any intensive processing done whether it is native or running parallel so to speak. Yeah, and it's pretty severe as well. The only native plugs I've used that introduced latency on the UAD scale would be convolution verbs. I'm guessing it's because of the hardware or PCIe bandwith.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 12:59:29
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SvenArne I'm upgrading to a UAD-2 solo in a couple of days. Should I expect the latency performance to be any better? The UAD-2 has 1/2 the inherent latency of the old UAD-1 (1x audio buffer size instead of 2x). Also, the UAD-2 has a "Live" mode that eliminates that inherent latency altogether, albeit with much high native CPU usage. In addition, the UAD-2 drivers are not only a different architecture, but are much improved stability wise, in that you can get much lower latencies when tracking (down to 64 samples). Plus, with the UAD-2 you no longer need to use the old " SONAR UAD-1 mode" (if you have been use to using it in the past). It is not just about extra DSP, performance wise the UAD-2 is far superior in every way when compared to the old UAD-1. Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 13:05:17
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You can avoid the latency with UAD Apollo. Quite an investment however.
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 13:10:28
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Billy Buck The UAD-2 has 1/2 the inherent latency of the old UAD-1 (1x audio buffer size instead of 2x). Also, the UAD-2 has a "Live" mode that eliminates that inherent latency altogether, albeit with much high native CPU usage. In addition, the UAD-2 drivers are not only a different architecture, but are much improved stability wise, in that you can get much lower latencies when tracking (down to 64 samples). Plus, with the UAD-2 you no longer need to use the old " SONAR UAD-1 mode" (if you have been use to using it in the past). It is not just about extra DSP, performance wise the UAD-2 is far superior in every way when compared to the old UAD-1. Cheers, Billy Buck That's awsome news! Thanks!
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/20 13:16:58
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SvenArne Middleman the 1176 trio pack that was just released are pretty close to the hardware. I thought it was just the regular and "lite" 1176s plus a bonus model. Are they all revamped? UA modeled three distinct 1176 models from the past 45 years. The Rev A "Bluestrip" from '67, the early 70's "Rev E "Blackface" and then UA's own modern version, the hot rod mod "AE" version. UA modeled these plug-ins "end to end" to make the most realistic 1176 emulations that you will find anywhere. I have been using these babies with my new Apollo QUAD with it's realtime UAD processing and it is almost......dare I say it, like using the actual hardware. In fact, using any of the UAD-2 plug-ins in realtime is quite a thrill indeed! http://www.uaudio.com/store/compressors-limiters/1176-collection.html Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 03:23:10
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Billy Buck UA modeled three distinct 1176 models from the past 45 years. The Rev A "Bluestrip" from '67, the early 70's "Rev E "Blackface" and then UA's own modern version, the hot rod mod "AE" version. UA modeled these plug-ins "end to end" to make the most realistic 1176 emulations that you will find anywhere. I have been using these babies with my new Apollo QUAD with it's realtime UAD processing and it is almost......dare I say it, like using the actual hardware. In fact, using any of the UAD-2 plug-ins in realtime is quite a thrill indeed! http://www.uaudio.com/store/compressors-limiters/1176-collection.html Cheers, Billy Buck Just watched the demo video and they sure look tempting. No doubt these will be significantly more DSP demanding than the original UAD 1176LN. Would anyone make an estimate of how many instances I'd be able to run on my solo card?
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Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 07:53:51
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SvenArne Just watched the demo video and they sure look tempting. No doubt these will be significantly more DSP demanding than the original UAD 1176LN. Would anyone make an estimate of how many instances I'd be able to run on my solo card? You should get eight mono (seven for the "AE" version) or six stereo instances @ 44.1k. Instance wise, it is quite similiar to the original 1176LN on the old UAD-1. As a SONAR user, make sure to always install the "optional" mono (m) versions. As using these when appropriate (on mono source tracks) will get you the reduced DSP benefit. You can use the stereo versions (which are always installed by default) on mono source tracks and they will work fine, but they will still use the full stereo DSP load. Each new UAD-2 card comes with the standard 1176LN, which makes you eligble to "upgrade" to the 1176 Limiter Collection bundle for $149. Use the $50 plug-in voucher that comes with every new card and it will cost you $99 out of pocket. Pretty good upgrade deal for the 1176 aficionado. http://www.uaudio.com/support/uad/compatibility/instance-chart.html New UA 1176 Limiter Collection Tips & Tricks video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLFfF2oMBg Extended video review of the new UA 1176 Limiter Collection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzfg49kzxDM Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 08:06:25
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Billy Buck As a SONAR user, make sure to always install the "optional" mono (m) versions. As using these when appropriate (on mono source tracks) will get you the reduced DSP benefit. You can use the stereo versions (which are always installed by default) on mono source tracks and they will work fine, but they will still use the full stereo DSP load. Wut?!? Is this true with UAD-1 as well? I've never installed the mono versions!! Does this mean I've been using double the amount of card DSP for mono track insert plugs all these years? Each new UAD-2 card comes with the standard 1176LN, which makes you eligble to "upgrade" to the 1176 Limiter Collection bundle for $149. Use the $50 plug-in voucher that comes with every new card and it will cost you $99 out of pocket. Pretty good upgrade deal for the 1176 aficionado. Thanks for the tip! Right now I'm contemplating getting the 1176 pack, the EMT-250 verb, the DBX-160 comp, and the Ampex master tape. I would like the Studer tape as well, but I feel it doesn't make sense when all I've got is a solo card. Oh, and I'd really like the EL Fatso! Spending money sure is going to be easy from now on... Sven
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 08:46:28
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Wut?!? Is this true with UAD-1 as well? I've never installed the mono versions!! Does this mean I've been using double the amount of card DSP for mono track insert plugs all these years? Yep, even the UAD-1. Thanks for the tip! Right now I'm contemplating getting the 1176 pack, the EMT-250 verb, the DBX-160 comp, and the Ampex master tape. I would like the Studer tape as well, but I feel it doesn't make sense when all I've got is a solo card. Oh, and I'd really like the EL Fatso! Spending money sure is going to be easy from now on... That is a nice collection of UAD-2 plug-ins for sure. The Ampex ATR-102 is my favorite UAD plug-in. I personally think it is the best programmed and most in-depth plug-in UA has ever done. It is the best tape sim/reel to reel emu on the market right now. It has like (40) automatable parameters. The tape delay alone makes it a great FX plug-in. It even has test tones & MLR so you can calibrate it just like the hardware. Do make sure to download Stephen Smith's "Ultralinear ATR-102 mastering presets". They make a nice addition to the included factory presets. I would also suggest, to always use the UAD Toolbar (little floppy icon) for saving, accessing, pasting UAD presets. Unlike the ubiquitous "VST" preset mechanism, the UA preset managment system will remember the location for each plug-ins preset folder once set up. No need to ever be navigating through folders searching for your presets. One click and you are there. You will want to place the Ultralinear ATR-102 mastering presets in the Ampex folder. Each preset folder is automatically created for you the first time you use the preset toolbar and select open for a particular UAD plug-in. http://www.uaudio.com/blog/stephen-smith-ultralinear-atr-102-presets/ Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 14:08:06
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Billy: How do you like your Apollo? I was going to get that but couldn't wait for windows drivers so I got an RME UCX
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Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/21 15:52:16
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Gaffpro Billy: How do you like your Apollo? I was going to get that but couldn't wait for windows drivers so I got an RME UCX Hehehe..........I took the opposite tack. I couldn't wait so I got an inexpensive Mac Mini (i5, 8GB RAM, FW800, Bluetooth 4.0, Thunderbolt, Lion 64bit OS) for $599. I already had a REAPER license and since it is also OSX Mac compatible it was a fairly easy decision. After installing REAPER and the latest Apollo 6.2 version it was basically connecting and using the onboard FW800. The Apollo does require at least FW800 as a minimum for suitable performance. IMO, for best performance you are going to want to ultimately get the optional Apollo Thunderbolt card. Right now I am basically using the Apollo, Mac Mini & REAPER combo as my mobile DAW tracking rig. I am really impressed with the build quality of the Apollo. The drivers and software have been really stable and bug free, so far. Which for a v1.0 product is quite impressive. Once UA releases the anticipated Thunderbolt card in September, I will be using the TB port on the Mac exclusively. Of course, I am also waiting on the Win version to be released so I can use it with SONAR. Ideally, I want to get a PCIe to Thunderbolt card for my PC DAW rig, so I can really maximize the performance. I have never been a fan of FW's limited bandwidth and stability. If it was not for the promise of high speed Thunderbolt and it's PCIe type stability, performance & chainability, I might not have got the Apollo. For me, the two biggest selling points of the Apollo are it's realtime UAD processing and it's high speed plug & play Thunderbolt compatibility. Of course, the audio specs are nothing to sneeze at either! Overall, I am quite happy with my decision to purchase the Apollo. Although, when I informed my wife how much I paid for it ($2100), she thought I was "crazy"! Ahh women, they just don't understand boys with their toys. Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/22 15:54:26
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Looks like my first investment became the 1176 pack, and after a quick tryout, I'm pleased! But do you know (Billy) if there's any reason to ever use the "Rev E" version? I mean, the Rev A version got the old-school distortion and the AE version got the clean sound and slow attack option, what does the Rev E version got?
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/24 08:20:48
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Wow, after using the 1176 pack for a couple of days, I really think it's the best compressor plugin in the world. Especially the AE edition with the slow attack setting adds a new dimension of usefulness to the 1176. All of a sudden I don't want the DBX compressor so bad!
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Dave Modisette
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/24 12:38:09
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SvenArne Wow, after using the 1176 pack for a couple of days, I really think it's the best compressor plugin in the world. Especially the AE edition with the slow attack setting adds a new dimension of usefulness to the 1176. All of a sudden I don't want the DBX compressor so bad! Stop it! Stop it! <Places hands over his eyes and runs from room.>
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Re:My new UAD-2 Solo arrived. Should I install it?
2012/06/24 16:07:37
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Yes, I agree. The new 1176 trio are possibly the best compressor plugins I've ever used as well.
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