My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed.

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My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed.

   I was getting ready for bed one night about a month ago, and stood there watching my wife sleep for a minute, I started thinking about the 1st time I met her (some15 years ago at this point) and while I was brushing my teeth and stuff this song hit my like a truck...  Needless to say I didn't sleep much that night as I was out in the studio 3 minutes later laying down scratch tracks so I didn't lose it.   I tracked the original drum line to my scratch tracks (with a click) and while it was nearly the same performance, I had a friend stopped by (who was the drummer in a past band we did together) and he liked the track, I asked since the drums were still mic'd up if he wanted to take a crack at it?  He said sure!   His tracks had a little more swing in them and felt better so I went with his and tracked the guitars, bass, vocals, and even a tambourine part myself.   I have been working on the mix off and on for a couple weeks and think I am pretty close at this point so I figured I'd ask you guys to critique the crap out of it before I make any final tweaks.  Thanks for your time!!
 
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Edit:   Final Version -     http://www.reverbnation.com/stormroomstudios/song/20595959-so-damn-hot-chuck-cantasano
 
post edited by ChuckC - 2014/04/14 11:18:44

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    spacealf
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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/06 14:48:57 (permalink)
    I think it sounds okay. Different in headphones than my speakers which seemed to be more balanced (headphones the left channel seemed louder). All I can say is that compared to a couple of others people's songs the mix is loud, loud, loud, and I had to turn down the volume to listen to it. It's right up there with the loudness wars I guess. Otherwise in the speakers I think the balance seemed okay. Hot - yes the song is hot. Sounded fine (except to me so loud). But then it is that kind of a song.
    Fine then for what I could tell about it.
     

     
     
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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/06 15:36:36 (permalink)
    I appreciate you checking it out Spacealf,   I just listened on earbuds here on my laptop and I don't hear any imbalance between channels.  It is a hot mix but I didn't crush it, I have an average RMS around -10.7  at times jumping up to about -8.6 RMS.  I was curious so I just pulled the mp3 file into Audacity (cheap freebee Daw I have on my laptop that I used to use for mp3 conversion) and took a screenshot so I could show you the WAV form. 

     No doubt, I wanted it hot but I am still not competing with pro releases in the genre  They are just brickwalled to hell.  This is by no means a square wave.  I wanted it dynamic and punchy.  Thanks again for your time man!

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/07 12:23:51 (permalink)
    I really like this tune!  It is mixed loudly but I like that because I can control the volume here without maxing all the volume knobs.  Mix sounds good to me.  How many tracks do you use for drums.  Each drum mic'd?  I think they sound good.

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/07 13:44:25 (permalink)
    Chuck,
     
    Cool Song.
     
    No crits here.
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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/07 15:06:07 (permalink)
    dig the energy
    like the rhythm tracks
     
    mix item:
    i hear the attack of the snare, but not quite enough body.
    don't have a suggestion about how to get there, but make that snare smack a little more.
     
    production item:
    i like the fluty-sounding-one note repeat lead guitar part during the 'so damn hot' choruses..
    but you need something else to set it off...
    suggestion:
    add a harmony part, with a different tone, at the 2nd time around...
    and layer a 2nd harmony part on top of the 1st on the 3rd time around...
    that way, it's always changing, but still supporting the chorus.

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/07 22:14:57 (permalink)
    Warren-Thanks bud,   The drums were Mic'd up as follows:  (mostly shure mics)
    pg52 on the kick (outside of soundport)
    sm57 on kick (pointing through sound port at beater head to get more click/attack.  Works better for me as putting it on the beater side gets a lot of snare bleed)
    57- on snare top
    SDC-snare bottom
    pg56's on the 3 toms (though he never hit the 1st tom so it's not in the mix at all)
    SDC condensor pair as overheads, then 1 on hats, 1 on the ride.
    I also run a mono large diaphragm condensor - room mic.
      So that's a total of 12 mic's on a live kit.   Used EQ, A little sonitus verb (a preset I have come up with that I like for drums on aggressive stuff like this)
    Some parallel compression to give it a little more backbone.
     
    Bapu- Thanks for the listen!

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/07 22:33:05 (permalink)
    Bats - I hear you there and it doesn't surprise me that you picked up on that too (I really like a lot of your productions).  That snare was something I fought with myself over for a couple of hours towards the end of this mix.  That's not to say I wont keep trying to make it better.   But I needed that bright attack to get the rolls in the versus distinct, which has the effect of thinning it a little in the choruses.  I guess I could get more in-depth and split them to separate tracks to eq the parts differently.  I kinda wanted (to some extent) to have the snare rolls blend into the guitar X's in the versus and have it be almost one sound which it did too well and I had to sharpen the snare above the guitars a little, and dip the guitars in the upper competing frequencies a little to get here.
     
    I like my rhythm sounds here too.  I spent about 45 minutes getting a 57 & my 421 in the perfect phase correlation before I started tracking them.  The left is my Dillion -American made tele copy, the right is my trusty ole Ibanez.  Both through a line6 XT live, Bugera HD55 head & Hartke 412 cab.
     
    I might play around with that idea on the lead line.  I kinda wanted that blending in in the choruses otherwise it competes with the vocal for your attention.  I added that part mainly because when I was tracking I got used to and liked the way the metronome on the track kinda made the chorus feel bouncy.  So I wanted to add an element to keep that vibe, I decided not to over-think it and just Keep it Simple Stupid, or in this case Stupid Simple.

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/08 12:25:35 (permalink)
    Chuck, this song is incendiary!  I'm impressed with the way you got your RMS level so high without overpeaking the mix.  I have a feeling by the time this is done, it will be a terrific rock song.  Way to follow your muse.

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/08 13:03:53 (permalink)
    Chuck,
     
    Great high-energy song.   I am sure your wife appreciated it as well.   15 years is a bit of time,   25 for me and I feel the same way.   Good mix and performance.   I could imagine some nice BGV during the chorus's but it is good as is as well..
     
     
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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/08 15:30:24 (permalink)
    Good tune!  
     
    Mix sounds good here.   About the only thing that stood out for me, but just a little, is that the mid-highs/highs on the rhythm guitars might be just a bit edgy.    At the same time, it kind of works for the song.  
     

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/08 16:14:29 (permalink)
    This is a great live song I'm sure.  The performances are great, and the writing is, well... hot? :)
     
    Only thing I'd suggest is maybe take a look at the cymbals, which sound a bit splashy/overcompressed.
     
    Fun one!

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/08 16:19:34 (permalink)
    Great stuff Chuck - listening on crappy computer speakers - can't wait to crank this up in my studio tonight
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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/09 17:37:22 (permalink)
    Lynn - Thanks man!  Among other things, I have learned that loudness perception has a lot to do with a balanced eq,  the high mids seem to be what makes sounds pop & feel exciting & in your face.   Eq's & stereo placement help you get each element standing alone & at the same time, sitting with the other tracks.  Oh, and the Slate FG-X when set up right kicks some serious butt on rock stuff   (Just my opinion though.)
     
    Markno999 - Ya know you are the 2nd person to mention adding more vocal melodies in the chorus (back ups) and I had considered it but felt that between the bass, rhythm guitars doing one melody, the vocal doing another, and the lead guitar plinking along in the background I was afraid to add much more for fear it would be too much.?   Thanks for listening.
     
    Stevec -  Yeah they are a little bright there but there are a few reasons...  1) to get some more excitement from them.  2) to keep them from clashing with the snare roll frequencies in the verses.  3) I have a rather low voice carrying the dominant frequencies of my voice seem to push in the 600-1k range, lots of lows below (that which I rolled some off), then sibliance, rasp, & harmonic content above it. 
     
    Walt - I appreciate it man, I have no idea as I wrote & performed this one as you hear it, I quit my last band a month or so ago & have never played this one with a group no less, out-live.  I bet it would go over well though.   & yeah... the cymbals were bothering me too.
    Daryl - Thank you man, I hope it sounded nice on your monitors as well!

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/09 18:14:11 (permalink)
    Chuck,
     
    Listening again, I think you have space.    You could have a nice harmony in between your current Chorus just singing "So Hot", either quickly, more drawn out, or both.   For example, at :53 you might want to do a short "so hot", at :56 you could do a longer "Sooo  Hot"   Just a thought, I think you have room for it.   Cool song.

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/10 13:35:59 (permalink)
    Chuck, great song.  No crits here.  The chorus's have a little bit of a Van Halen feel to me.  I can hear Michael Anthony doing those high back up vocals. 

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    Re: My new swing/rock track "So Damn Hot" Crits welcomed. 2014/04/14 11:23:28 (permalink)
    Final version is up (posted link in the 1st post of this thread).  Tweaked a few things and added some additional vocal content in the choruses.  Thanks for the feedback!

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