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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 14:39:17
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honestly looks so cool but if it's not completely integrated for full Sonar control I'll be skipping again.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 15:18:48
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honestly looks so cool but if it's not completely integrated for full Sonar control I'll be skipping again.
Both controllers are not designed to control a (any) DAW. S61 can control transport (also in Sonar) and switch tracks (not in Sonar). It can be used as a simple MIDI controller, and so can be mapped to something in the DAW. Machine is a bit more advanced in DAW operations (also in Sonar), but still like an "extra feature". NI is not considering Sonar a primary DAW, so they do not provide any Sonar specific integration. It is more like a phone with a car, they sometimes can work together, but since they have different primary purpose, I do not think many people select a car based on particular phone or a phone based on how good it integrates with particular car...
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 15:19:42
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 15:36:45
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Both controllers are not designed to control a (any) DAW.
You gotta watch the video to see the integration with abelton and logic. Looks amazing. Definitely has a lot of control. And looks really useful if it would do all that in sonar.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 15:49:18
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The S61 looks like an improvement over the current version with its display, I also like the way they have replaced the touch strips with wheels and kept a touch strip for times when that is more appropriate.
I do wish they would make a 73 key version with synth type keys though. That would seriously make me think about upgrading.
I hope future improvements to the Komplete Kontrol software don't stop for the older hardware.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 16:39:58
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azslow3
Both controllers are not designed to control a (any) DAW.
You gotta watch the video to see the integration with abelton and logic. Looks amazing. Definitely has a lot of control. And looks really useful if it would do all that in sonar.
During the first time I watched videos, I was unsure what "mixing" mode is controlling (DAW or NI software). From short reviews (I have not found any deep information on topic), it can be that volume control+pan+level indicators are bound to DAW strips. Is that going to work throw Mackie emulation? I have not found the answer. With hi probability they use some "proprietary protocol". Ableton scripts should uncover it (as it was with track switching in current version). CW has cooperated for Console 1 integrations... Who knows, may be they can do the same for NI. NI has not published any plans about Sonar yet. I do not have (and I have no plans to have) NI controllers, so no plans to integrate myself. Abstract DAW control surface should have no particular plug-in dependency. NI hardware is NI software oriented. So while they probably added a bit more DAW functionality, they are not going to position these devices as a general DAW controllers, at least I have not seed such statements.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 16:43:36
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Right exactly. But they do control Ableton and logic and some kind of cubase integration coming so we can dream for sonar...
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 19:51:25
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I love maschine, but I'll wait to see what's new in maschine studio ...
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/07 20:49:48
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Right exactly. But they do control Ableton and logic and some kind of cubase integration coming so we can dream for sonar...
Well, if you want Sonar controller without faders (both NI devices do not have them), you can try X-Touch Mini: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,377.0.htmlCheap, now and the level of integration with Sonar is hard to beat for that form factor  If you master ACT Dynamic mapping (not so hard), in addition to Sonar operations, it will control your plug-ins (FXes, ProChannel, Synth) on reasonably good level (think of third party Synths without special Komplete Control support inside NI wrapper). I do not claim it is on the level of this new NI thing for Komplete, Sonar simply has no such machinery for synth/preset selection and the device has no display, but years can pass till NI S is so capable as Sonar controller (if that ever happened).
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 02:22:55
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☄ Helpfulby Nino Vargas 2017/09/08 03:03:42
I watched the new promos and tours through the new MKII versions of the S series keyboards.
I'm a big fan of the original keyboard.
I get why and where Native Instruments is headed with the new versions. I prefer the original version, I'm glad I have it instead.
1. My creative thoughts need less distraction. I do not want to see two colorful monitors in front of my hands as I'm playing.
2. Using the Komplete Kontrol browser on the keyboard itself is a nuisance when you have a lot of patches. It's way faster to get to the patch you want by using the mouse and jumping to the patch within Komplete Kontrol by a couple clicks. Meaning that the jumbo monitors are clutter in that regard.
3. The MKII version is wider from the front of the keys to the back. A lot wider. Need more table space (if the space is limited where you want to set your keyboard that's a factor).
4. I've grown to like the sliders versus the wheels. Personal preference.
5. More buttons. Maybe helpful, but less can be more. I happen to prefer less.
I tried to see the advantages of the new units, but for me I'm glad I have the first version.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 03:30:41
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Lawa, weird minds think alike.
Thought I was the only one preferring the original OLED screens.
That new screen looks like the (just updated) Akai boards.
Also, these Mk2 versions are deeper and larger in size.
And the new light guide seems less enlightening ...
Finally, I don't need those Machine controls.
Some things are quite nice, though.
Sound preview.
USB bus power.
So I will buy one.
When it comes with a K12 Ultimate upgrade.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 14:23:19
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I can see depth can be an issue for some. It would not be an issue on my Quicklok stand so I had not really thought about it. I think the display would give me some better local control, but that is probably down to the lack of ergonomics in my studio set up, I have to turn through 90 degrees to see my PC screen. I have considered placing a second monitor behind the keyboards.
Not sure the light guide is any different, hard to tell in the photo, it depends on the ambient lighting.
I have grown used to the touch strips, but I would prefer the wheels + a touch strip. I actually prefer the Roland type pitch/modulation lever apart from its always return to zero behavior for modulation.
But, I see nothing to make me want to change my existing S61 at the moment, as I said, an extra octave of keys would do it!
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 15:07:47
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I watched the new promos and tours through the new MKII versions of the S series keyboards.
I'm a big fan of the original keyboard.
I get why and where Native Instruments is headed with the new versions. I prefer the original version, I'm glad I have it instead.
1. My creative thoughts need less distraction. I do not want to see two colorful monitors in front of my hands as I'm playing.
2. Using the Komplete Kontrol browser on the keyboard itself is a nuisance when you have a lot of patches. It's way faster to get to the patch you want by using the mouse and jumping to the patch within Komplete Kontrol by a couple clicks. Meaning that the jumbo monitors are clutter in that regard.
3. The MKII version is wider from the front of the keys to the back. A lot wider. Need more table space (if the space is limited where you want to set your keyboard that's a factor).
4. I've grown to like the sliders versus the wheels. Personal preference.
5. More buttons. Maybe helpful, but less can be more. I happen to prefer less.
I tried to see the advantages of the new units, but for me I'm glad I have the first version.
Same here. I've got my setup working exactly the way I want it. All of the new stuff is nice, and I could probably make use of it, but I'm perfectly happy with what I have. Mixing with knobs just won't work for me, and I love the sliders over wheels any day. Regards, Dan
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 15:08:45
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73 keys would be lovely indeed, Glyn.
Also, that 25-key version (ideally 32 keys IMO) could add the audio interface Machine Mk3 has. That way, with bus power, the thing would be a helluva laptop peripheral.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 15:35:41
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Not sure the light guide is any different, hard to tell in the photo, it depends on the ambient lighting.
Not at all hard to tell from photos. The new LEDS are tiny. I prefer the old ones a lot. OLD:  NEW: 
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/08 21:58:17
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Interesting to read some first reactions from others here share a similar opinion.
I wonder if the MKII will be considered a whiff or a hit over time.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/09 09:18:29
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COOL! Depth is only 11.7" vs 10.8" for original one - so not 2 big. My old Ensoniq is 13.5". The light guide lights are 2 tiny tho - I'd rather see the keys themselves glow translucently (dimly) rather than a tiny light behind each key. AND, there's no 88 key version yet. Prices will be the same. Available Oct 5, 2017.
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Re: NI Maschine MK3 and Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 keyboard: could it be?
2017/09/10 12:54:20
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Oh dear. GEAR LUST!!! 
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