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2015/12/17 18:55:27 (permalink)

NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins....

This is the second time this has happened. If I recall, the last time it happened I ended up having to reinstall Komplete. 
 
I ran the service center and clicked "install" on all the updates. The net result is that many of my NI effects have simply disappeared. In fact I managed to witness one of them disappear from the plugin folder as it was installing the update. Passive EQ. It was there in the folder, clicked install and watched it disappear into thin air. 

When I ran the service center again (after a reboot), there is nothing available in the updates. It's as if NI has just wiped out all record that I own the plugins. YAWN I cannot be bothered with this nonsense.....

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/17 19:06:31 (permalink)
Probably a stupid question, but just trying to help:
Did you manually move any of the stuff since it was last installed?
The NI service Center remembers where it installs everything (or at least it is supposed to).
If you manually move things after an installation unpredictable things could happen.
post edited by mikedocy - 2015/12/17 19:28:14
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/17 19:19:56 (permalink)
Yeah I thought that maybe it had something to do with that. But I haven't moved anything since I last ran the Service Center, and those updates went fine. 
 
The other curious thing is the existing dll's disappearing. I presume that an updater deletes the existing file and installs the new one. Well it deleted the existing ones alright - suggesting that it had the correct install location - it just didn't install the new ones. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/17 19:25:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/12/18 21:01:13
I previously had an issue as well, probably due to a Service Center "hiccup" ~
 
After logging in to the NI site, you can manually download & install the updates for the "disappearing" plugins from here:
 
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/updates/
 
The manual install seemed to have "realigned" everything, and all seems to be working OK for me now...
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/17 19:40:17 (permalink)
Great thanks for that. It's a pain to have to reinstall all of these plugs but I guess if I have to.....

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 00:11:09 (permalink)
Well in the end I just reinstalled all VST's from the Komplete hard drive and went through all the updates again. Meh I had nothing important on tonight anyway, figured I might as well spend it watching 12,073 progress bars going from left to right. And those updates are always SO much fun given that you have to click "install" on every...freaking...update. 
 
Oh well, everything seems to be good now. Although I did nearly have a heart attack when a project wouldn't load Kontakt, before I realized that you have to run the standalone first. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 15:17:57 (permalink)
There was a thread on this a few weeks ago. I think it was in software. My experience has never been good when installing from Service Center. They install and then delete the download. I always install from the folder and haven't had it happen since I have been doing that.

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 15:26:13 (permalink)
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I always install from the folder


^^^ THIS ^^^
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 15:40:22 (permalink)
 
 
Now we know why NI refers to it as the "So-called Service center" in their instructions.    
 
Glad to hear you got everything back in order, Sharke.
 
 
post edited by mikedocy - 2015/12/18 19:42:28
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 15:42:48 (permalink)
This morning I had issues with fx plugs missing after updating from Service Center. Would run Service Center again and it was wanting me to dl the same plugs I just updated. Looked in the vst folder and they were gone.
 
Did the dl from Service Center and then manually installed. I noticed during the install that the vst was X'ed out so I un-X'ed it out and it installed where it was supposed to. Works fine now but still don't know what X'ed it out. Perhaps an NI conspiracy just to piss people off... 
 
Still have some issue with Evolve R2 not wanting to update because I did move it to a different drive. I can see the reference to the old drive still in the registry. Made a system backup so now it's time to try and make some reg changes. Hopefully it works, After the IK MP2 marathon yesterday I'm getting tired of installing and troubleshooting software...

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 15:45:56 (permalink)
Oh nooooooooo.... software has bugs?
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 16:01:43 (permalink)
Yup...Has happened to me twice.  Second time was just my poor memory of the first time.  If you have your VST plugs in a folder of your choosing...say Program Files/Cakewalk/ VST...you cannot let the NI Service Center do the installing.  Do it manually and tell it where to put the VSTs.  Elsewise you'll have to do it all over again.  OR....include the folder where the NI Service Center DOES install the VSTs in the scan path of Sonar.

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 16:58:53 (permalink)
Sharke,
Had it happen to me as well. Freaked me out also.
Downloaded and installed all manually and have been scared to update ever since. haha!


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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 20:52:53 (permalink)
I just bookmarked this thread. I'm learning Kontakt. I'm on video 10 of the Groove3 series, then on to the Kontakt 5 update videos. I cannot tell you how impressed I am with the sounds. I know, everyone said they were better but dang, they REALLY are a LOT better than anything else I have. I'm going to get the Bolder mandolin and banjo.
 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/18 23:58:52 (permalink)
It's weird though because I've downloaded updates AND installed them from the Service Center many times before and it's worked without problems. I didn't change any VST folder locations this time and yet it still managed to screw it up. 
 
I would guess that the Service Center has the information about your VST folder locations from when you first install Komplete? Because that's when I specified them. I keep all my VST's in Program Files/Common Files/VST and Komplete had no problem installing them there. 
 
But I'm not sure it's a folder location issue. The Service Center obviously knew where I had my VST's located because it deleted them as part of the update install. As an experiment I tried installing one of the updates from the Service Center again after reinstalling Komplete. I watched the VST folder as it was happening. Sure enough it deleted the old VST, but then seconds later a new one appeared. I tried it again with another install and it worked. I then felt confident enough to carry on with the rest of the update installs this way. So it deletes the old VST and installs the new one. I guess it botched it by deleting the old VST's but failing to install the new ones. I think manual installs for me from now on though. I mean what exactly is the point of being able to do it from the Service Center anyway? It's not as if they make it any easier, because you still have to click "install" on every update. Why they don't have an "install all" option is baffling. I guess that would just be too thoughtful for NI. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/19 09:10:36 (permalink)
A few things I noticed last nite when I ran so called service center..
 
you have to pay attention to the dialog boxes as the install progresses.
 
SOMETIMES the install will choose its own destination based on what I dont know, but in those cases I moved the dll to its proper nesting home,
Then sometimes it will allow you to change the destination, which is a PITA cause the dialog box is tiny and you have to scroll to find the file location, but i was watching the destination during the install and the older dll was replaced with the new one.
 
I only updated the FX dlls I had, not the instruments, so dont know if that has a bearing or not
 
But the manual method is the safest.

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/19 09:21:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ampfixer 2015/12/19 14:23:34
One of the strange things about computers is how everything works fine until one day it doesn't. I have tried to figure out why but the only thing I can come up with is todays computer really isn't the same one you had 6 months ago, with all the windows updates and software updates you get. Glad you got it figured out. The Cakewalk Forums have helped me out so many times with that kind of thing.

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/19 10:46:41 (permalink)
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...But I'm not sure it's a folder location issue. The Service Center obviously knew where I had my VST's located because it deleted them as part of the update install. As an experiment I tried installing one of the updates from the Service Center again after reinstalling Komplete. I watched the VST folder as it was happening. Sure enough it deleted the old VST, but then seconds later a new one appeared...



Lots of updates, lots of people updating simultaneously.
I'm guessing that they had a server error or lost server connect while you were updating and the Service Center doesn't have enough smarts to recover from that particular situation.
 
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/20 11:42:31 (permalink)
Whatever it was, NI really need to get their act together. It really defeats the whole point of these "service center" type apps when they're less reliable than you just doing the updates manually. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/20 13:39:28 (permalink)
When I update within service centre  for some bizarre reason it forgets to install vsts!!
 
So I always manually install the updates..

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/20 14:50:39 (permalink)
Although I have had it uninstall one or two of my NI plugins a year or two ago, normally the Service Center runs fine.
 
Even a few months ago, it was ok, but I'm gonna just avoid it for now.
Sounds like there are some issues, of which normally NI's things are pretty stable otherwise.



 
 
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/27 13:40:20 (permalink)
This just happened to me this morning. Been using the service center for months without a hitch and this morning all my VSTs were gone. Manually installed them as you all suggested and I'm back in business. I'm going to contact NI to let them know..
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/27 14:13:58 (permalink)
Not a fan of service center either. Too unpredictable. Same goes for Waves system. It seems most convoluted attempts at copy protection are more nuisance to consumer than pirates.
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/27 21:17:31 (permalink)
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This just happened to me this morning. Been using the service center for months without a hitch and this morning all my VSTs were gone. Manually installed them as you all suggested and I'm back in business. I'm going to contact NI to let them know..




That sucks man, I hate to hear about others going through the same thing. This has to be a known issue with NI, however they are notoriously unresponsive when it comes to customer feedback. And their forums are like a ghost town. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/27 22:51:42 (permalink)
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This just happened to me this morning. Been using the service center for months without a hitch and this morning all my VSTs were gone. Manually installed them as you all suggested and I'm back in business. I'm going to contact NI to let them know..




That sucks man, I hate to hear about others going through the same thing. This has to be a known issue with NI, however they are notoriously unresponsive when it comes to customer feedback. And their forums are like a ghost town. 


Thanks sharke! I felt better knowing I wasn't the only one and that there was a solution! 'If' I hear back from NI, I'll post their response..

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/28 13:10:51 (permalink)
I posted this in the NI forum for what it's worth. So far I've gotten one reply with some pretty generic advice (check your installation paths etc). We'll see if NI themselves respond. Right now I have zero confidence in using the SC for any further updates. 

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/29 16:09:33 (permalink)
Here's what I got back from NI so far:
 
"This can happen on a system when the installer software (the user group it belongs to) does not have the correct privileges (rights) to make proper changes. This happens normally with system that have software protecting the Registry and (operating) system files."
 
This doesn't make sense since I've been able to use the service center successfully in the past. Perhaps one of the recent Windows updates created a conflict with it?  They didn't offer a solution so that's my next question for them.
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/29 17:24:52 (permalink)
****  , their defualt setting includes lib , data but not DLL it's unchekd by defaut in their intsaller , i had to re do it manually ....i know it but i was to tired this day , i sad also let's installe from the center : once !!!  and i know  it !!!
 
 
So same boat here , all lib updated cool , all fx and instruments deleetd dll since "this freatures will not be insatlled" is checked by default ...
 
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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/29 17:46:21 (permalink)
Yeah a conflict from a Windows Update is the only candidate I can think of since I have changed nothing since the last SC updates which would have anything to do with user permissions. This should not be happening and NI need to do more than roll out a generic response like that.

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Re: NI Service Center just deleted a bunch of my NI plugins.... 2015/12/29 20:42:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/12/31 12:32:10
Here's their latest response:
You will need make sure to disable any Internet security software before you attempt any installation process mentioned.
Now THAT is a lame response!  I responded by telling them to stop sending stock responses and perform an actual investigation.
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