june61944
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NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
I'm trying to add the Blacksmith kit from Analogue Drums as a multi-out VST. 1 . If I load as a simple instrument track (which I've done just as a test case) my MIDI controller works just fine. I can hear the kit, play the kit, etc. If I check "All Synths Audio Output" when inserting the VST, I get no interaction/sound when trying to play the kit with my MIDI controller, but I can still use the virtual keyboard in Kontakt to play/trigger sounds. 2. I have tried every Kontakt tutorial, every forum posting I can find to get the individual kitpiece channel routing to work with this kit, to no avail. Is anyone using these kits now that could lay out a simple process for pulling this together? I've never had so much trouble getting a $25 plugin to work. A virtual pint to any that can shed some light.
post edited by june61944 - 2016/01/22 21:26:20
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 03:40:00
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Hi. Sorry if this is obvious, but have you checked the MIDI input echo on your MIDI track? All the best.
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:09:41
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That was one of the problems! I figured out - by trial and error - that I needed to check the "MIDI Source" box in the insert synth dialogue box. I think I'm most of the way there - took me a while, but I got a bit more familiar with Kontakt in the process, so no regrets! My issue now is that, while I can play the kit via my MIDI controller, I still get no meter signal in the individual track view; the main midi track for Kontakt shows response in the levels, but not the snare, toms, hi hat, etc. I think this may be limited now to the routing path in SPlat. I copied a couple of MIDI files to the drum tracks but they are invisible in the clips and when I go to PRV, the notes are there, but they're black. So frustrating to be so close, but much further along than I was this morning. Now, if the chores would stop getting in the way....
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:28:22
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I am not familiar with Kontakt but many times with multi out synths (like drum samplers) you have to go into the synth's "mixer" page and select the outputs to the DAW manually. So just like you set the outputs from a track in Sonar to go to specific busses you need to go to the Mixer page in the synth/sampler and set the output for each channel to send to a specific output (which then gets routed out to the DAW). That process then sends signal to all those individual tracks in Sonar so you can hear them.
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:28:44
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OK - I've got a signal at the individual track levels but the MIDI notes in the track view are still invisible and when I click on a clip to bring it into the PRV, the notes are there, but they are black. One other thing: the virtual keyboard in the PRV responds to my MIDI controller, but not to my mouse when I click on an individual piano roll note!!!
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:34:21
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june61944 OK - I've got a signal at the individual track levels but the MIDI notes in the track view are still invisible and when I click on a clip to bring it into the PRV, the notes are there, but they are black. One other thing: the virtual keyboard in the PRV responds to my MIDI controller, but not to my mouse when I click on an individual piano roll note!!!
Yeah... I don't even really know what you're up to here but remember... all those tracks that you just got set up are actually audio tracks. You don't drag MIDI clips into those. There will be one track that feeds them all which is an actual MIDI track. So one MIDI track to feed all the audio tracks associated with the synth (and in Sonar those audio tracks are actually called Instrument Tracks which makes things extra confusing... lol). If you do not have a specific MIDI track visible then try reinserting the synth/sample and make sure "MIDI Source" is selected or you could manually insert a MIDI track and route it to the synths "instrument" tracks. I don't know what the "black" notes is all about.
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:35:57
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Are you sure the notes are "black" and just not a really dark shade of some other color (like red)?
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:58:22
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I'm on my way out the door but just read what you said and got the "a-ha" moment: they're AUDIO tracks and NOT MIDI tracks!!!! A huge blunder on my part--thanks for mentioning it!!! I'll now go to dinner with my wife and try to keep my mind on our date and not on the project.
Thanks for your help, folks--I'll confirm success after dinner. Or the movie.
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 17:58:22
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I'm on my way out the door but just read what you said and got the "a-ha" moment: they're AUDIO tracks and NOT MIDI tracks!!!! A huge blunder on my part--thanks for mentioning it!!! I'll now go to dinner with my wife and try to keep my mind on our date and not on the project.
Thanks for your help, folks--I'll confirm success after dinner. Or the movie.
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/23 18:11:19
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Right on. Let us know how it works out (the MIDI stuff... not the date... lol).
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/24 10:56:52
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Thanks, Beepster. By the way, you had a great avatar earlier, and I love the new one. Hats of to Mr. Kilmister, RIP. I've nearly go this licked. I have 7 MIDI tracks that represent my drum kit. I want to use those same MIDI kits now to trigger Analog Drums in Kontakt. If I drag one of the MIDI clips into the main MIDI track of Kontakt, it plays the notes and I can generate a wafeform preview through he corresponding instrument track. So maybe a final question: How do I get the rest of the MIDI instruments to play through their corresponding tracks (do I have to have all my MIDI drums located in one MIDI track)? Also, this might be something for the larger Kontakt audience: how do you actually write multi-instrument midi patterns using multi-out drum kits in Kontakt (Studio Drummer, MAD Drums, etc.)? I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that using drum kits in Kontakt would be as easy as the multi-out use of AD2, where I can record each instrument on the fly and edit each MIDI track before bouncing the whole kit to audio...
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/24 12:00:30
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Hello again. Yeah, I've been meaning to switch my avatar back. The Snaggletooth image is a temporary homage to mourn ole Lemmy's passing. Very sad. I wanted to meet him before he (or I) dies but alas that won't happen. Perhaps in the "Loud Mofo's" afterlife. As for at least part of your question... I think what you are saying is you have generated MIDI clips for individual kitpieces instead of all on one clip. This can sometimes make it easier to edit but obviously ends up with more clips/tracks. It's preferences thing. But what you would do is... if you want to retain all the clips separate (so Snare on one MIDI track, Kick on another, Hats on another, etc) you have two options (AFAIK... I don;t work like this). If each kit piece has its own MIDI clip on its own track then you just set each of those tracks to output to the synth. The synth will (or should) accept all the incoming MIDI messages then spit them out to audio tracks. Alternatively you could put them all into a single track inside Take Lanes (so each MIDI clip for each kitpiece would get its own Take Lane). Then use the "Sound On Sound" recording mode which will make it so all the clip playback and are audible (right click on the Transport Module's Record button to access these Preferences settings). If you want them all on a single clip then you can just select all the clips > Right Click > Bounce to Clip(s). This will mash all the notes/clips/parts into a single MIDI clip. Not sure why they are being separated out in the first place though but maybe you are tracking one piece at a time. Cheers!
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june61944
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Re: NO sound from Kontakt in SPlat/Can't get multi-out Analogue Drum kit to work
2016/01/24 21:06:52
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Thanks, Mate. Yeah, I'm used to recording each kit piece by hand (i rarely use loops or predefined MIDI clips) so the bounce to clip option is going to work best for me once I've been able to edit each track using AD2 before playing the bounced clip through Kontakt. You've been a huge help. I'm up and running...just in time to go back to work tomorrow morning. Ah, there are worst problems to have. All the best. PS - I did meet Lemmy once, here in Detroit back in 1984, but that's probably a story for another day.
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