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NOT going to be an X2b update
I hope Cakewalk proves me wrong...
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 14:08:54
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The update will be called X3a
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 14:15:27
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CJaysMusic
The update will be called X3a
yep, that is what I am thinking too...
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 15:18:03
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So, where did this news comes from? How reliable is the source?
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 15:30:18
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For all we know, it will be called Z.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 15:33:10
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I think there is so much work on upgrading Sonar X2 and Cake leave it for next version X3.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 15:46:50
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I think that would be a mistake. X2b doesn't have to address all of our hatreds, but there's some apparent and frequent bugs still left in there. Not fixing those painfully obvious bugs would render X2 a black-eye on Cakewalk.
I mentioned before in another thread that I would pay for a better working DAW, one that has been tested and tested and broken and fixed and tested by some very serious teams aimed to do nothing by TRY and break it. X3 could be that thing that undergoes such rigorous testing, but MAN, if they don't fix some serious gripes we have and not pack it up for only Windows 8, or only new features, then X3 will be a sour welcome for sure.
They could be working to get it on the Mac. I'm sure Roland would prefer that.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 16:05:48
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I think there will be an X2b. Cakewalk have been completely consistent over the years. X2 is a new product will get some TLC for some time to come I think. It's their flagship product.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 17:36:56
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brconflict
I think that would be a mistake. X2b doesn't have to address all of our hatreds, but there's some apparent and frequent bugs still left in there. Not fixing those painfully obvious bugs would render X2 a black-eye on Cakewalk.
I mentioned before in another thread that I would pay for a better working DAW, one that has been tested and tested and broken and fixed and tested by some very serious teams aimed to do nothing by TRY and break it. X3 could be that thing that undergoes such rigorous testing, but MAN, if they don't fix some serious gripes we have and not pack it up for only Windows 8, or only new features, then X3 will be a sour welcome for sure.
They could be working to get it on the Mac. I'm sure Roland would prefer that.
This is all conjecture at this point - we haven't a clue of what Cakewalk -or- Roland are planning. I am in the X2b camp - just a gut feel. A release of X2b soon would ease my concerns about Cakewalk's place in Roland's grand plan. If next thing is called X3, we'll be waiting until the Fall. Making Sonar multi-platform would require a tremendous effort, and I'm not sure it would even be worth it, considering the DAW's which already operate there, and what would appear to be a shrinking traditional Mac environment. If you are referring to iSonar, that would be another thing altogether. btw - I am agonizing about upgrading from X1 to X2 tonight - given the current video offer and the other incentive. If I do pull the trigger, you'll be seeing a lot questions being posted by me.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 17:53:33
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pbognar - I think you'll either miss Layers, or you'll love Lanes. I miss Layers, myself. If you're like me and think the X2 color scheme is cartoony and outdated, there is X1 Light as a color-scheme option you can load.
Otherwise, I think things are "ok" in X2, but definitely could be better. I'm cursing the 32/64-bit Waves-Shell, since Sonar X2 barfs at having both 32 and 64-bit Waves installed, (Wavelab 7 64-Bit doesn't support bridging so well, so I have to have the 32-bit Wavelab 7 installed for older Algorithmix and Flux plug-ins to work alongside Waves). It's an icky situation I have with 32-bit Waves plug-ins, and Sonar absolutely pukes often when having both 32 and 64-bit Waves plug-ins installed. Sonar X2a crashes in every Project because of this.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/17 20:00:59
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Every program from photo programs to home make and interior design programs will always have some bugs in them at all times while there being updated to new versions.
You'll never get a program that is 100% bug free and that accommodates everyone's needs.
CJ
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 07:41:39
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I hope the "X" is not for "Xtinction"  (oh no....I've got the same thing  )
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 07:52:47
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I'm with dorism and pbognar. Cake has been very consistent in releasing multiple updates to major releases. X1 was out for the better part of two years and had four updates (along with the "expanded" thingy, which thankfully they've built into X2 so you don't have to pay extra for it). X2 hasn't even been out 9 months.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 10:50:30
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I agree with CJ; why do you think all the backup disc's and manuals come with software anyway? the developer's already know it's going to mess up! Zap! 
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 11:55:02
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I don't mean to sound abrasive, by any means, but what CJ said, I think we all understand and agree. Similar testaments have been posted quite often here and other software boards, but there's no disagreement with what he said. In what I mentioned above means to illustrate that, if you are selling a product, and you are made aware of bugs and ill-effects, even if only side-effects that occur, it would be in your best interest to at least fix what you can find before just abandoning a release because you may agree with users in how flawed it is.
There's no shame in admitting fault or failure to release a flawless product. But it's a shame to simply abandon it for a shinier object in the sky. That just shows there's little regard for users with immediate issues that may not be solved by the user or updates for the OS or other drivers/software etc.
I would believe that Cakewalk would at the very least want to offer X2b. If they suddenly changed direction to offer X3, then this would paint a very negative Vista-like character on X2, which no company should ever want, not even Microsoft. BUT! It is a sneaky way to try out something radically new and have the end-users fund it! So, we'll see what happens, right?
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 12:17:41
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maybe x2b will be released at summer namm July 12
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 12:17:50
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I say don't worry to much. They will release a patch or not. They probably will but why worry about it?
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 12:40:02
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Guitarmech111
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The update will be called X3a
yep, that is what I am thinking too...
I was thinking something along the lines of: Xx or X(x+1) ;-) Keni
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 14:30:21
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I would believe that Cakewalk would at the very least want to offer X2b. If they suddenly changed direction to offer X3, then this would paint a very negative Vista-like character on X2, which no company should ever want, not even Microsoft. BUT! It is a sneaky way to try out something radically new and have the end-users fund it! So, we'll see what happens, right? Nah... can't agree with this. For me, X1 was way more similar to the initial Vista release than X2; e.g., 8.5 > X1 and WinXP > Vista. X2, IMO, is/was more about refinement, and X2a is runng well here, niggles aside (like Win7). And I can't really see how releasing a new version is in any way sneaky - I mean, c'mon, I'm sure it would be a new version with all the marketing hype that usually goes with it.  Sure, I'd like to see X2b, if nothing else for some Track Lane refinements (and dare I say SV). But if X3 is the next thing, then I'm with Guitarpima - I'm not going to worry about. It will be what it's going to be, and it'll be my choice whether I move forward with it (and when). Same as it always was. At least these speculation threads can be entertaining. 
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 16:07:24
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CJaysMusic
Every program from photo programs to home make and interior design programs will always have some bugs in them at all times while there being updated to new versions.
You'll never get a program that is 100% bug free and that accommodates everyone's needs.
CJ
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 17:10:47
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Mooch4056
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Every program from photo programs to home make and interior design programs will always have some bugs in them at all times while there being updated to new versions.
You'll never get a program that is 100% bug free and that accommodates everyone's needs.
CJ
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Wait .... My underwear really isn't a "software program" per say
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 17:23:52
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I hope you are good at picking stocks. You seem able to predict what Cakewalk is going to do.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/18 20:14:20
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CJaysMusic
Every program from photo programs to home make and interior design programs will always have some bugs in them at all times while there being updated to new versions.
You'll never get a program that is 100% bug free and that accommodates everyone's needs.
CJ
Well said CJ
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Keysman
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 01:58:29
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First off, Cakewalk isn't Cakewalk anymore, it's Roland. A huge multinational company (like Yamaha acquiring Steinberg )that has acquired and now controls the future of Sonar. Secondly, the influential forum members that had an active part in bringing the concerns of the user base to each new product release are now gone or bumped upstairs.
The concerns of Roland are vastly different than the concerns of a small Boston based company that cares only for its own best interest. Cakewalk is but a tiny part of the huge umbrella that is now Roland. And like any huge corporation, the overall bottom line is the big picture here, not the incremental improvement of one of their investment arms.
It dosn't make financial sense to put anymore more money into X2 unless there is a huge recall of the product due to some kind of defect...(i.e. Car Company Air Bag defect, ect ) not bugs. Its why Microsoft chose not to release another Service Pack for Win7 and instead put all the money into Win8. New Product Line=More Return on investment.
I'm afraid the days of a responsive, forum friendly company are long over now and the days of more 'Avid' like behavior are on the horizon. This is also why companies like Presonus are creating such a huge ground swell about their products and hardware. They are still that responsive, user based oriented company that Twelve Tone ( Cakewalk ) started out to be. It may be unfortunate, but its the future.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 04:25:15
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I would lay good money on there being an X2b before X3
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 08:08:50
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Keysman
First off, Cakewalk isn't Cakewalk anymore, it's Roland. A huge multinational company (like Yamaha acquiring Steinberg )that has acquired and now controls the future of Sonar. Secondly, the influential forum members that had an active part in bringing the concerns of the user base to each new product release are now gone or bumped upstairs.
The concerns of Roland are vastly different than the concerns of a small Boston based company that cares only for its own best interest. Cakewalk is but a tiny part of the huge umbrella that is now Roland. And like any huge corporation, the overall bottom line is the big picture here, not the incremental improvement of one of their investment arms.
It dosn't make financial sense to put anymore more money into X2 unless there is a huge recall of the product due to some kind of defect...(i.e. Car Company Air Bag defect, ect ) not bugs. Its why Microsoft chose not to release another Service Pack for Win7 and instead put all the money into Win8. New Product Line=More Return on investment.
I'm afraid the days of a responsive, forum friendly company are long over now and the days of more 'Avid' like behavior are on the horizon. This is also why companies like Presonus are creating such a huge ground swell about their products and hardware. They are still that responsive, user based oriented company that Twelve Tone ( Cakewalk ) started out to be. It may be unfortunate, but its the future.
Sounds like you KNOW there won't be anymore updates to X2. Where did you obtain that information from? (just want to fact-check it) Sonar is advertised almost always on the backside of the front cover of recording magazines here in JP and Roland tech support on Sonar here is superb. So I want to believe they care about their flagship software. BTW, I wouldn't cite PreSonus as a responsive company. Do you know they didn't even let their users login and send inquiry through their online tech support page successfully for a long time even though many had reported the issue? And do you know they don't always respond to the tickets submitted (if submitted successfully)? I've heard their support is getting better now, I hope it's true (Cakewalk U.S. always responds, from my experience). Also, they don't show up on their forum very often, not like IK Multimedia, Fxpansion, etc. that appear frequently on KVR forum.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 08:12:38
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Like in the gaming world, you have to fix a certain number of bugs through patches or you'll lose customers for the next version/game.
If you're going to release buggy software, you'd better follow it up with patches reasonably quickly and not make people pay for fixes.
I'd be pretty disappointed if X3 came out before another patch or three.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 08:26:09
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Sony and Adobe's audio, video and graphics programs have frequent updates and I find those programs to be much more stable despite complexity that equals if not exceeds that of Sonar.
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Re:NOT going to be an X2b update
2013/04/19 09:19:22
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mudgel
Sony and Adobe's audio, video and graphics programs have frequent updates and I find those programs to be much more stable despite complexity that equals if not exceeds that of Sonar.
Hey Mike, I take it you never owned Vegas Pro 11?
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