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2011/10/13 14:49:17 (permalink)

NRPN/Drum Map Dilemna....

Hello,

I have a problem that is really troubling me.   I have a drum MIDI track which I am using 2 softsynths with.  I like my kicks to come from one and the rest from the other.   However when I adjust draw some NRPN automation on the hi hats for instance, it is also changing them in my softsynth I am using between for my kicks which I don't want.  Especially since I am using 2 different softsynths, I am controlling the cutoffs on my hi hats and that same NRPN control is adjust the pitch of my kick drum on the other softsynth AHHHH!!!!
Is my only solution to break them out into 2 different MIDI tracks?

Thank you,
Adam
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 15:23:54 (permalink)
    I assume you're using a drum map to route the different notes to the two different synths, which are like independent MIDI ports. NRPNs are channel messages, and should be port-specific as well, but maybe drum maps don't re-route them along with note events - I'll have to check that.  If that's the case, you might just need to change the channel of the Hi-Hat note events, and change the channel on which the corresponding synth is responding to match.

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 15:48:32 (permalink)
    Hi, yes i am using a drum map.  

    However, I did what you recommended.  I moved my kicks in the drum map to channel 11, and then changed all note events to note 11 so they sound out, yet the NRPN parameters from the hi hats are still effecting the kick drum parameters.   I think you are right, drum maps don't exasperated them out properly.  If this is true, then this is a big flaw isn't it?
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 15:59:58 (permalink)
    Now that I think about it some more, there's no way for SONAR to know which port of a drum map to send CCs and NRPNs to, so it must send them to both. You're going to have to use different channels, if not separate tracks.

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:04:34 (permalink)
    Hi, I already used seperate channels.   I used the Event Inspector to change all kicks to channel 11 and adjusted them in the drum maps.  Still the same problem.   I think seperate tracks is the only way....BUT that seems like such a fundamental flaw because a lot of electronic musicians like myself need to adjust parameters on drum sounds (think of a pitched snare roll or a modulated cut-off snare roll).
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:04:59 (permalink)
    One thing I don't get is if this is an NRPN, then presumably it's synth-specific, and the other synth woudn't even respond to it. What NRPN is it, and what drum synths are involved? In any case, I really would have thought isolating the channel would take care of it.


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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:07:54 (permalink)
    Hmmmm.... you are right, but wouldn't a CC# be controlling that NRPN?   Maybe I am doing something wrong on my end.  The two synths in question are D16 Drumazon for my kicks and NI Battery for everything else.   For instance I am using the PAN NRPN for the hi hats in BATTERY so they alternate L/R/L/R.....   BUT it keeps moving the pitch of the kick drum in Drumazon! 

    thanks!!!
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:18:03 (permalink)
    I'm not familiar with Battery or Drumazon, but did you specify which channel each should respond to? Otherwise, they will probably both respond to any of the 16 channels, and specifying the channel in the NRPN event and in the drum map will not be enough to prevent the one synth from responding.

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:19:26 (permalink)
    No i did not.  that would be done in the individual synths?   That sounds like it would work though! 

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:32:16 (permalink)
    Yeah, that would be necessary. Some synths don't support it, but more sophisticated synths like Drumazon and Battery should.

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:49:08 (permalink)
    I will have to check this out.  Will report when I get back to my DAW.  Thanks for your help so far!!!
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 16:58:11 (permalink)
    Bad news. I did a quick check of an online Drumazon User Guide, and it doesn't look like you can specify input channel.

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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 17:09:16 (permalink)
    Yea me too! LOL.  Oh well I'll figure something out.  Wish this was a bit easier of a process LOL.
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    Re:NRPN Dilemna.... 2011/10/13 17:24:53 (permalink)
    I think I'd just go for the brute force solution: separate tracks. 




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