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2017/02/10 21:38:51 (permalink)

NVIDIA Audio...

Between NVIDIA itself and windows 10, no matter what I do the NVIDIA audio driver tries to install itself as an audio device. I always do a custom install of the drivers but something will always inadvertently install the stupid NVIDIA driver. Anyone know how to avoid this? It drives me nuts.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 00:23:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/02/11 17:02:04
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Between NVIDIA itself and windows 10, no matter what I do the NVIDIA audio driver tries to install itself as an audio device. I always do a custom install of the drivers but something will always inadvertently install the stupid NVIDIA driver. Anyone know how to avoid this? It drives me nuts.



I'm not sure if this post is going to be helpful, but here is my observation:
 
When the NVIDIA driver gets updated it automatically re-enables the high definition driver.
Sometimes during the install, you have a choice to unselect said driver but not always.
 
With the last 3 generations of Intel processors, I find that the onboard graphics
is plenty good enough for a DAW. No need for a separate graphics card.
Using the motherboard graphics, I am able to go into BIOS/UEFI and disable
the "High Definition Audio Driver". Ever since I have done that, the "High Definition Audio Driver" never gets re-enabled or re-installed.
 
Of course, this depends on your motherboard/BIOS/UEFI, whether you can actually disable your "High Definition Audio Driver".
 
 
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 17:02:45 (permalink)
Problem is, I want my graphics card. I can't afford to have a PC just for a DAW. This is my only PC
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 19:19:08 (permalink)
The audio driver is seperate to the videa driver.

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 19:20:28 (permalink)
I realize that but even though I custom install the graphics driver and make sure that a deselect the HD Audio... something still ends up installing it.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 19:34:01 (permalink)
I uninstalled my HD audio driver in Control Panel> Programs and Features and it hasn't come back. I still have the Realtek audio driver installed. That's perhaps the problem. There should be a set of drivers available from your motherboard manufacturer an audio driver all by itself.
It's specifically the HD driver that can cause problems.

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 19:35:52 (permalink)
Looks like it was windows that installed it this time, for some reason.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 20:01:26 (permalink)
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Looks like it was windows that installed it this time, for some reason.

I've had to turn off Windows Automatic Driver Updates because of that crap.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 20:26:43 (permalink)
I read on a computer forum about how windows 10 will over write proper manufacturers video drivers with generic drivers when it does an update. This was happening to me on my office computer. Then the video card app would tell me I need to update? I'd run the update from the app and windows would tell me I already have the best driver?? turns out there is no w10 driver for my card which sucks because it's only 2 years old. Nvidia g force 610.

Did you try disabling the driver in device manager? That's where I did it and it seems to have stuck.

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 20:35:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/02/15 04:58:07
Sock is correct.  Just disable the Audio device in Device Manager.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 20:55:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby husker 2017/02/11 21:07:25
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Just disable the Audio device in Device Manager.



This does NOT work on my system. I've tried both disabling and uninstalling it in the Device Manager. It returns with every power off/on. I used to be able to kill it off but in checking the system configuration with a recent change of audio interface have seen it persist despite any reasonable action to remove it. Perhaps a red herring, but this happened right around the same time as the infamous Win10 update in Nov. Continuing to research the issue but no resolution yet. The driver in my case is with an AMD Radeon graphics card.

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 20:58:39 (permalink)
I'm a bit confused - there is an NVidia audio driver on your AMD Radeon card?
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 21:29:52 (permalink)
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I'm a bit confused - there is an NVidia audio driver on your AMD Radeon card?



My bad.
- I'm using an AMD Radeon card.
- There's an NVidia driver listed in Device Manager. (I expect I can kill that.) 
- The drivers that reference the HD Audio Bus appear to be AMD.
- The listing in System Devices is not labelled AMD, but when disabled, the AMD High Definition Audio Device listed under Sound, video and game controllers goes away.
- Both the AMD High Definition Audio Device and High Definition Audio Controller reappear with every power on. 
-  Have tried both disable and uninstall from Device Manager.
 
@husker. fwiw, I'm trying out the Tascam US-20x20. Not out of the woods yet, still seeing Audio Dropout toasts in SONAR, but seems to run/edit OK. Still playing with buffer settings, but would like to nail down this HD Audio Bus issue. It made a big difference on the last configuration. 
 
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 21:36:49 (permalink)
Odd.  I'm an NVidia guy, so I don't have much experience with the Radeons.   A bit of searching shows you are not the only one with this problem.  Check out this link, maybe something may help.
 
http://www.techsupportfor...tion-audio-645344.html
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 22:00:51 (permalink)
@husker.
 
Had indeed run through that thread, no progress. Hacking the registry a bit but the weeds keep growing back.
 
I'm able to get through sessions, but not confident in this configuration yet.
 
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/11 22:26:06 (permalink)
I work in IT - I think I've got some computers at work with Radeon cards in them.  I'll try to take a look on Monday to see if I can figure something out.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/12 13:10:46 (permalink)
@husker.
 
Thx, any effort/insight much appreciated.
 
Better info:
- AMD Radeon HD 5450 2MB (basic card, no need for more with a dedicated DAW)
- Asus X99A mb
- Win10 Pro, Version 1607 Build 14393.693 
 
And just to confirm. I've tried to both disable and uninstall the AMD driver. 
Returns with every power off/on cycle.
 
Not finding any way to disable it in the BIOS.
 
Haven't had time for definitive troubleshooting but not recalling issues when remembering to disable the HD Audio Controller before starting a session. Have run some low risk sessions without disabling it, but not sure it's as rock solid as it used to be.
 
Of course, could be an issue with the Tascam drivers/firmware (I have the latest). Still checking out buffer settings and USB 3.0 vs. 3.1 ports, etc. 
 
fwiw, the NVidia bits must have been left over from a previous install... I doubt they have any bearing on the problem, trying to kill any remnants scattered throughout the registry as a best practice. (Uninstall from Programs & Features does nothing.)
 
 

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/12 17:42:46 (permalink)
I don't think it will cause any problems. I use nVidia's HD audio as my normal system audio and then have a pro card for Sonar. Both coexist fine and don't seem to butt heads.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/12 21:07:02 (permalink)
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I don't think it will cause any problems. I use nVidia's HD audio as my normal system audio and then have a pro card for Sonar. Both coexist fine and don't seem to butt heads.



It depends. Some people seem to have a problem with the HD driver and some don't.
It makes no difference on my system whether it is enabled or disabled.
 
I suspect that it was a buggy driver update from a year or two ago that started all this.
I suspect that the HD driver has long been fixed and is no longer a problem.
 
 
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/13 08:05:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jackson white 2017/02/13 13:49:56
Jackson - I took a look at a couple PCs at work this AM with Radeon cards.  We have R7 350s running the 16.6 driver version.  I disabled a the AMD audio on a few of them, reboot, and they stayed disabled after the reboot.  
 
Sorry I couldn't have been more help.
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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/13 13:49:44 (permalink)
@husker. Thx for checking, it is helpful. 
 
I used to be able to disable the HD Audio bus/controller (thx to CA for noting the issue) and DAW performance was flawless for the longest time. I generally try to keep Win10/SONAR updates coordinated but the Nov update seems to have disrupted the equilibrium. Both the Win10 and Sonar updates were checked out on a sandbox PC before upgrading with NO problems there, which has me looking at any cfg issues in detail on this DAW. 
 
Some of the registry keys for NVidia were referencing amdx64 somethings which is why I was trying to root them out.
 
Still working on a robust configuration for the US-20x20. Still seeing audio dropouts when speed comping fairly heavy vocal stacks. Could easily be a sonar buffer/tascam driver setting, but these projects ran fine before. And yeah, doing additional file housekeeping to eliminate that as an issue (save as cwb, etc.).
 
I'll post an update if I can come up with anything definitive. 
 
Thx again. 

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Re: NVIDIA Audio... 2017/02/13 16:53:05 (permalink)
Where is that exactly? I know I've seen it before but I couldn't find it again.
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