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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 14:23:35
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Not for me. CRA$H DAWG may dig it.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 14:40:59
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can't say I was that impressed with the Video trailer, so doubt it will be for me either!
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 14:49:49
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those videos are produced so good i dont even D,J, and i want this.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 16:44:46
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Is it even possible to engineer a new synth capable of creating sounds that haven't already been done to death?
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bapu
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 18:23:25
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Apparently NI thinks so.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 18:23:28
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bitflipper Is it even possible to engineer a new synth capable of creating sounds that haven't already been done to death? Theoritically yes, realistically probably not. It seems like most of the innovation is coming from the ease of use department (and quaility/quanity of factory sounds). Which is still pretty important. Being able to quickly adjust stuff to get the sound you want is crucial.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 21:20:36
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Theoritically yes I wonder...there are a finite number of parameters to sound. What's left that hasn't been explored?
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/24 22:18:15
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I guess ways to implement those parameters, presets, stable code, pretty GUI?
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 07:54:03
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bitflipper Theoritically yes
I wonder...there are a finite number of parameters to sound. What's left that hasn't been explored? But there are infinite ways to apply the parameters. For every combination of w, x, y, z that you can come up with I simply say "ok, add an extra instance of x...
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 10:13:15
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chuckebaby those videos are produced so good i dont even D,J, and i want this. Agreed, that was a pretty slick demo video. None of the sounds I heard were really "new", but they did seem to do a type of sound pretty well (a type that I don't use that much). Still it's not that pricey either. Course I have omnisphere getting delivered next week, and just got Nexus 2.... So it's not like I NEED another synth.
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bapu
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 11:47:12
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Kroneborge So it's not like I NEED another synth. So..... you're gonna buy it then, yes?
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 13:55:45
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Actually, as of right now I plan to hold off. Maybe that will change in a week or two I've really bought a lot of toys lately, and Am going to try and learn to use them. Plus, I might wait for Komplete 8 to come out and upgrade then, I imainge it will be included with it.
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bapu
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 13:56:37
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Kroneborge Plus, I might wait for Komplete 8 to come out and upgrade then, I imainge it will be included with it. Probably a sound move.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 13:59:15
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bapu Kroneborge Plus, I might wait for Komplete 8 to come out and upgrade then, I imainge it will be included with it. Probably a sound move. Yes I definitely intend to make music with it.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 15:53:39
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"Is it even possible to engineer a new synth capable of creating sounds that haven't already been done to death?"
All the things that sound good seem to have been done to death. I suppose as long as people suffer from G.A.S. they will continue to throw new instruments as us! I look at a VST like Omnisphere and I can see that I don't need it and can't afford it and yet I still have to persuade myself about once a week not to buy it.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/25 16:11:45
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I see that the Razor is a Reactor ensemble, I'm definitly not getting it until I can figure out how to use Reactor. I still can't get "The Finger" to run right.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/27 23:59:07
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To use the finger, you need to load Reaktor as an effect into the fx bin on an audio track, and have a midi track whose output goes to that instance of Reaktor.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/28 10:04:31
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I've been using it through Kore, which hasn't worked that well. I couldn't even get my reactor FX to show up as synths. Maybe I will try again in X1.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/28 15:36:32
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/28 16:59:20
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At about $79.(USD) the Razor is tempting, I noticed a lot of the sounds are not suited for melodic use (not saying it can't be used for melodic use) but absolutely perfect for creating 'synthetic/synthesizer'ish' soundscapes along with rhythmic (motion/seq) and yet it appears easy enough to use.... It would take at least two maybe three synths along with a lot of complex automated control of multiple parameters to get close to what the Razor can do almost instantly and that's not including other things such as; vocoder. So I guess for $79.00?, the Razor is a good deal and is going to speed up the creative workflow ten-fold. That said and considering the cost for other similar soundscape, rhythmic (seq/motion) plugins out there I think the price is pretty dang good. Razor sounds very fat, superb bass-end with over-the-top high-end (hiss/noise is evident on those demos) but I'm sure that top-end can be tamed. IMO there is no doubt it sounds like Razor would be perfect for creating Sci-Fi, 'otherworldly' soundscapes. I think this plugin might get very heavy on resources?, I'll wait and see what others with hands-on experience have to say about that.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/29 14:38:11
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Kroneborge I see that the Razor is a Reactor ensemble, I'm definitly not getting it until I can figure out how to use Reactor. I still can't get "The Finger" to run right. I'm told that the current release of Komplete contains a brand new rewritten set of documentation for Reacktor. Don't know how good it is because I didn't upgrade. I probably will upgrade the next time a new release of Komplete is offered. I would assume that Razor would be included in that release. Does anyone think that's other than a reasonable assumption?
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/29 14:56:11
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I think it probably is. They will try and throw in enough goodies to get people to upgrade.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/29 23:27:56
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windsurfer25x Inserting reaktor as a synth worked fine for me. I bought Razor after watching this 7 part video series by Torley on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kBkxTG4dXU "People ask me, why when you have an 80s synth brass patch, do you always have to play 'Jump'?" I hope this guy's getting paid by NI, because he's doing way more to sell it than the trailer could have. Clearly this is not just a dubstep synth.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/30 00:16:25
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mumpcake windsurfer25x Inserting reaktor as a synth worked fine for me. I bought Razor after watching this 7 part video series by Torley on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kBkxTG4dXU "People ask me, why when you have an 80s synth brass patch, do you always have to play 'Jump'?" I hope this guy's getting paid by NI, because he's doing way more to sell it than the trailer could have. Clearly this is not just a dubstep synth. Yes, he does a nice job. Though, I still think they did a pretty good demo video. still, I think the synth has a pretty unique sound, that will go great with some stuff, but unless you are doing electro or dubstep, it might not be my first choice for a lot of sounds.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/30 13:27:17
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windsurfer25x I bought Razor after watching this 7 part video series by Torley on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kBkxTG4dXU Thanks for the recommendation. Torley is pretty amazing ... he's got quite a few of these synth demo videos on youtube. Check out the one he did for the NI Pro53 (no longer available), which was my first encounter with him. He did at least one of these with a synth he had just downloaded a demo version of, and clearly had little experience with. That didn't stop him from cranking out a really interesting exploration of the sounds the instrument offered. I'm not aware of anything else he's done that's a multi-part series. Maybe he just really likes Razor. On the other hand, maybe NI figured out what a great spokesman he can be and gave him some cash or software to plug Razor.
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Re:Native Instruments announces Razor VSTi
2011/03/30 14:08:52
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An alternative to yet another synth would be a comprehensive waveform collection. I recently discovered the Galbanum collection and it's well worth the money. Be warned, you may get sucked into a black hole of sound creation possibilities! For those not interested in creating sounds from scratch, you can substitute these waveforms in existing presets to breathe new life into synths like z3ta+, Dim Pro, Rapture, Alchemy and Absynth. Galbanum Architecture Waveforms 2010
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