Need SFZ help/ rapture

I want to be able to put a one shot sample into seperate rapture elements?, also set up to certain keys?



Im having a little trouble finding it.

thanks!

element 1=kick (C4)
element 2=snare...

Wouldn't Battery be so much easier ?

Try looking through some of the Dimension SFZ files on your system and use them as learning examples...especially the drum-related. I think you'll glean a lot more information more quickly there and it will bring some the Cake Synth book information to life for you as well as make more sense out of what is documented in the forums and on the Wiki.

ORIGINAL: :10:
I don't understand how to place each sample in separate elements. and I dont understand how to set up choke's for the high hats.

this file is saved within the same folder as the samples.
also...wheres the cheat sheet on the midi notes/# value? whats C4's associated #....[sm=rolleyes.gif]

I have 59 one shots to create drums for rapture. I want to set up the base kits, so that I can tweak them, and create more programs from them.

any help would be greatly appreciated. Im a little frustrated at the moment

I don't think you'll be able to use a single SFZ file that will load into different elements. I think you'll load individual SFZ's into elements and then save it as a program to do a quick change between setups.

I believe C0 = 0 (zero) so to convert notes to number you just need to count (12 notes in the scale so things will repeat)
C0=0
C#0=1 etc.
C3=36 (36=3*12)
C#3=37
C6=72 (72=6*12)

It looks like cymbal chokes are possible...Read the SFZ manual at: http://www.cakewalk.com/DevXchange/sfz.asp
You'll have to set up group numbers and use the off_by parameter to have 1 group turn off (mute) another group. I don't know if you could implement cymbal chokes across elements (Elem 1= closed hi-hat, Elem 2 = open hi-hat, etc).

If you have multiple one-shots for 3 different instruments it will look something like this:

/* snare */
 <group> loop_mode=one_shot key=37  /* note C#3*/
 <region> lovel=001 hivel=024  sample=sample_01.wav
 <region> lovel=025 hivel=032 sample=sample_08.wav
 <region> lovel=033 hivel=040  sample=sample_10.wav
 /* tom */
 <group> loop_mode=one_shot key=38  /* note D3, play once*/
 <region> lovel=001 hivel=014 sample=sample_l09.wav /* note D3, velocity between 1 and 14 */
 <region> lovel=015 hivel=025 sample=sample_l12.wav /* note D3, velocity between 15 and 25 */
 <region> lovel=026 hivel=033 sample=sample_l15.wav /* note D3, velocity between 26 and 33 */
 /* high hat */
 <group> loop_mode=one_shot key=40 /* note E3 */
 <region> lovel=001 hivel=023  sample=sample_r10.wav
 <region> lovel=024 hivel=031  sample=sample_r13.wav
 <region> lovel=032 hivel=039  sample=sample_r16.wav

The "group" values apply to all the "region" values that follow it so you don't have to copy it a bunch of times, but these values could also be appended to each region if you wanted to do that. Velocity levels go from 1 to 127 and you'll probably want all velocity levels covered for a single note.

If you have a true one-shot of each instrument (no velocity mapping) then lovel and hivel aren't needed. What you listed earlier would be all that's needed. I would create 1 sfz file that mapped all samples to a note for easily loading the entire kit into a single element and then create 1 sfz file for each instrument if each instrument had multiple velocity samples for easily loading 1 instrument into an element.

With 6 elements you could load just the wave files into the elements and set the midi note for each in the gui. then save as a prog.

But no choke groups are possible that way. I'm sorry I misunderstood you original post.

If you want one each drum sound per element into effects/processing . And then do a choke group sfz for the hihats for the element.

Brock/altima have you covered for the choke group.

will I still be able to use the choke option listed above?

To use SFZ and have open/closed choke group on seperate elements you just load the choke group twice and only use open on one and closed on the other.

Tha samples will only load once :)+)

Thanks chad.

I thought that the group opcode was just for layering samples....--> newb <--....

this makes a little more sense.

I think Im doing something wrong...I still cant get it to work.

element1:
 /*hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=1 off_by=2
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=hiht1.wav key=52
 
 /*open_hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=2 off_by=silence
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=open_hiht1.wav key=54 
 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 element2:
 
 /*open_hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=2 off_by=1
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=open_hiht1.wav key=54 
 
 /*hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=1 off_by=silence
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=hiht1.wav key=52

--->here are the samples<---

well, I thought I had it working.

ok, so...the choke now works...but i noticed that now, both hiht1, and open_hiht play at the same time, on both elements.
how do you get around this? I want each one on their separate element, so that I can control the volume separately for both.

EDIT: I found a work around. by putting a volume=-144 opcode after the second sample. this got rid of both samples playing at the same time. so the code below is now set up to work across elements for open and closed hihats with choke functions.

element1:
 /*hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=1 off_by=2
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=hiht1.wav key=52
 
 /*open_hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=2 off_by=1
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=open_hiht1.wav key=54 volume=-144
 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 element2:
 
 /*open_hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=2 off_by=1
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=open_hiht1.wav key=54 
 
 /*hiht1 */
 <group>
 group=1 off_by=2
 <region> loop_mode=one_shot sample=hiht1.wav key=52 volume=-144

also...so far these sound pretty sic! i cant wait to get teh base kits set up, so that I can create new dirty kits with all of rapture effects.

here is an example from one of the base kits ---> sample_<---