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2011/09/13 16:27:12 (permalink)

Need Some Soft Synth Advice!!

I have a choice of getting one (or two) of the following synths and would like to know what you guys thought of them in terms of quality of sounds, functionality, ease of use/program etc...
(I know they're all unique in their own right, but any user input would be appreciated).
 
1) FM8
2) SubBoomBass
3) Z3ta+2 
4) Absynth 5 

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 19:05:15 (permalink)
    I have FM8 and Absynth and can comment on them.

    FM8 does the classic FM thing, but also has filters and other tools/FX you can use to get more traditional synth sounds. FM programming is not intuitive though, if you're not familiar with it. The interface is also complex, with several pages to go through.

    Absynth can do excellent fairly straight/conventional synth sounds, but it really excels at going over the top and/or doing complex soundscape/pad sounds. Lots of sometimes weird and wonderful options, but the interface is a bit weird too. I got it as part of Komplete and didn't expect to like it going in (as it seemed aimed at a completely different crowd), but it ended up being one of my favorites. It can do normal stuff, but it's also capable of doing different kinds of stuff than almost anything else.

    My verdict for both is they sound great and are different from most other more "conventional" synths. They are perfectly OK for just tweaking the many existing sounds, but they are also pretty deep and thus complex to program and master. Be prepared to read the manuals.

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 19:07:51 (permalink)
    Of the ones you mention Absynth has the best complex, evolving and evocative sounds. FM8 is great for bright edgy sounds that cut through a mix. Zeta has come a long way but I never used the original or the new version. Sub Boom Bass is a genre specific synth that IMHO will be more limited. What are hoping to do with your selection?

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 19:46:58 (permalink)
    depends what stuff you make ? rapture , sylenth1 you might also want to look at as well as some of the other rob papen synths.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 21:59:54 (permalink)
    Zebra is pretty cool. There is a "lite" version called Zebralette you can download for free to get an idea what it's capable of.

    Of course, the granddaddy of all soft synths is Omnisphere. Does pretty much anything and everything.


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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 22:10:01 (permalink)
    I don't class omnisphere and say sample tank , nexus , zebra as synths as such.. I think workstation more really due to the large amount of patches on them. I can't say which was around longest.. but I remember installing battery / reaktor etc back in 2000
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 23:16:12 (permalink)
    It really depends upon what you have and what kind of music you are doing.  For my purposes:

    sound design - Alchemy
    cutting stuff and general synth - Rapture
    Thick VA and wavetable - Komplexer
    General sampler - DimPro

    Z3TA 2 is good but I haven't had time to muck w/ it.  Z3TA 1 was good for buzzy stuff esp., but was pretty good va.  2 has syncable wave shaping, which is very interesting.

    It is hard to go wrong if you don't have FM to get one.  All those 80s sounds, plus you can do some wild sound design stuff if you have a lot of time.

    I haven't messed with absythn but have heard only good things.  If you don't already have a rompler or something that can do long, evolving sounds that would fill that nitch.

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/13 23:58:35 (permalink)
    Those are four very different synthesizers with very different applications...  It would help to know what type of music you are trying to make.

    1) FM8 is a little deeper than I expected.  It is capable of a lot of great sounds but not a beginner synth by any stretch.
    2) SubBoomBass - No experience with that.
    3) Z3ta+ - Has a reputation as a dance/trance synth, but is capable of a lot of sounds.
    4) Absynth - If you write songs with titles like "Moonrise on Jupiter" then you probably want this one.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 07:35:41 (permalink)
    I don't know anything really about additive, subtractive or long division synths as I'm not a synth person but I do own 3. FM8. The FM stands for forgotten magnificence. It's the 'forgotten' or 'quiet' synth. It's actually quite musical and sounds great but it gets overlooked. It probably needed a better name like Gigantic or Monstrous. Absynth. Ab is short for 'abstract' or it could be just the initials for 'absolutely bonkers'. Let's say you're getting sucked into a black hole and you need some atmospheric music. Just reach out for Absynth. It won't save you but it'll give an appropriate soundtrack to your impending doom. It's probably the number 1 selling synth on Venus. Z3ta+2. Do you use Z3ta? If you do then you'll probably want to upgrade. I don't know SubBoomBass. I do know about long paragraphs and not being able to divide my posts up due to my browser.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 08:17:40 (permalink)
    It all depends on your budget, which I didn't see in the post. 

    I have Komplete 6.... bought it some time back. I use Kontakt 4 a lot since it has some pretty decent sounds that came with it AND lot of third party vendors make sound paks for it that are totally sweet. 

    I have as a result FM8 and Absynth. I tend not to use them much since the sounds they have are pretty specific and don't generally fit in my genre of choice. 

    every once in a while, between projects, I will sometimes load up some of my "other synths" and play around to see what sounds they have.... I'm always looking for a new sound that I might incorporate into a song.... mostly pads and strings but you never know. 

    I personally, would not have bought FM8 and Absynth alone if they had not been a part of the K6 suite of synths. However, if you write and compose the genre of music that they excel in, you might want them. 

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 10:39:26 (permalink)
    Excellent info here and I appreciate everyones comments.

    I'm primarily a (hobbyist) guitarist playing metal/rock/blues/jazz/funk but, do love electronic/dance/classical/reggae music (basically anything that sounds good). I like using various genre's so these synths are to help getting the background music so I can lay my guitar track on top (I used to write songs the other way around.....starting with the guitar, but since I got into midi last year, it's been an interesting ride). 

    From short term memory these are some of the synths I already have:

    Kontakt4 (just got it in June & only have the 40Gb library it came with)   
    NI's Prizm
    Battery3
    SampleTank/SonikSynth2/Miroslav (full) and about 99% of their libraries
    AAS String Studio
    CamelSpace
    Korg M1
    Alchemy Player
    Zebralette
    All the free players from NI (I'm actually interested in getting Komplete7 rather than K8, but will get that when more funds are available). I know I have a bunch more synths, but I'm not at my DAW right now.

    I love Z3ta & Rapture and have also installed some of the free patches that are going around. You would think this is more than enough to keep me/anyone busy for quite awhile, but I do suffer from GAS and I know MyOlpal (The King of Gear) is well aware of what I'm going through...lol.
     
    I threw in SubBoomBass on there as I don't really have a "Bass Synth", but I'd rather have a synth (like Z3ta) that has a lot of everything in it(bass, lead, textures etc...). 

    I forgot to add Razor into that list as I do have a $30 voucher that can/should be used. I've seen some of these synths for sale at the KVR site, but don't know too much about them and wanted to check with you guys first.




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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 11:05:35 (permalink)
    My favourite is Minimonsta, its not as versatile as many of the synths mentioned here but I like the sound for both bass and leads.

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 11:09:36 (permalink)
    Sylenth is my favourite synth especially with a few Rob Lee soundpacks even though I'm essentially into traditional/modern guitar bands.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 12:50:27 (permalink)
    Would it be better to just get Alchemy ($199 at CamelAudio (20% off user discount)) than the others above? 

    Or get the full version of Zebra2?  (They have a "Retire & Replaced by Zebra" synth offer that gives $50 off on the purchase price of $199....if you have a synth that qualifies).


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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 13:22:18 (permalink)
    Why don't you just upgrade your Kontakt 4 to Komplete 8?

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 13:28:36 (permalink)
    Yeah...ditto yorolpal.... if you own K4.... you should be qualified for an owners discounted upgrade.... check into that. It could be the best option for you. 

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 13:30:29 (permalink)
    They are big synths if you're not really into synths or a tweaker. Great sounds but would you use them? You can buy secondhand too for cheaper.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 14:00:38 (permalink)
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    Why don't you just upgrade your Kontakt 4 to Komplete 8?

    The reason I haven't upgraded to K8 is I'm not sure if I'd use the rest of what K8 has (although if I add the $$'s I've spent on getting these individually, I'd come close to what K8 actually costs).
    FM, Kontakt5, & Studio Drums are the + points in upgrading to K8, but not sure if that's worth the additional $300. Dilemma...dilemma!! 

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 14:36:17 (permalink)
    Sylenth is my favourite synth especially with a few Rob Lee soundpacks even though I'm essentially into traditional/modern guitar bands.

     
    I'm not sure Mesh actually needs another soft-synth... 
    That said, Sylenth is one of the best sounding VA synths.
     
    Mesh, I'd think about your sound pallet.
    What do you feel is missing/lacking?
    You might consider getting Omnisphere... as it covers a LOT of ground... and you have the genius sound design of Eric Persing (responsible for many of Roland's classic synth sounds).

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 14:54:20 (permalink)
    Yup...if it's the king daddy of all synths your after...Omnisphere is it.  Period.
    Can't go wrong there.


    BUT....I still say you should look very close at the Komplete upgrade (it would cost you $399)  The amount of stuff you get for that is pretty comprehensive and an amazing value.  Just my 2 cents.

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 15:11:24 (permalink)
    Thanks Myolpal, I value your opinion much more than you think.....it's gone up to at least 7 cents...lol.

    The worst part is I really don't "need" (like Jim said) another softsynth, but gas has got the better part of me. 

    I'm actually saving up to get the Variax JTV, so these synths would be just to keep the train-a-rollin in the gas dept., and didn't want to spend "too much" on synths. My ultimate goal is to collect the best of the best (even if it's one at a time) that's available/affordable.

    Now you guys got me re-thinking.....

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 15:26:54 (permalink)
    And don't forget you can sell your individual NI licenses. I did when I originally bought Komplete. It almost paid for it back then.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 15:50:32 (permalink)
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    And don't forget you can sell your individual NI licenses. I did when I originally bought Komplete. It almost paid for it back then.


    I saw a lot of people trying to do this on the KVR site, but (as of late) NI seems to be wishy-washy on re-selling licenses (seems to be kind of a hit or miss/case to case basis).

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 16:06:27 (permalink)
    I don't think it's hit and miss. It's just that some things (possibly downloads and soundpacks like Kore) are not allowed. Just make a note of your license numbers and ask them (they have a habit of deleting them from your account if you ask to sell them even if you're only considering it!). Just ask them and they tell you.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 16:14:28 (permalink)
    Twice it took a fortnight to answer though. That's definitely a variable - how long it takes to get back to you. It can be a day or a fortnight.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 18:42:34 (permalink)
    Mesh, if you've got Kontakt and only the factory content, then you've yet to discover the amazing world of third-party libraries. There are a sh..boatload of 'em, ranging in price from free to cheap to mortgage your home. It's a great way to quell your GAS symptoms without going nuts and incinerating vast sums of money like yorolpal does. Since he won the Arkansas state lottery and can afford to do that. Most of us can't.

    For example, go to Indiginus.com and buy a couple $5 libraries such as the Nashville Electric Guitar. Or some great cheap pianos from Sampletekk. Or some fun freebies such as Raw Steel, Deviant States or Dumpster Percussion.


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    Or the wonderfully cheap drum kits at analogue drums...or the totally wild yet essential machine libraries at hollow sun. Plus one for the indigenous Nashville guitar...best five bucks going! Do check out the depth and breadth of th Komplete8 offerings...before you make a decision.

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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/14 23:26:27 (permalink)
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    Mesh, if you've got Kontakt and only the factory content, then you've yet to discover the amazing world of third-party libraries. .
    +1 for Hollow Sun  Their Music Laboratory Machines are all below $10 and offer some unusual sound generating possibilities. The Kontakt scripting means they are far more versatile that one would imagine a sample library would be.
     
    Their main stream products are also reasonably priced. The synths, like the M1000 give you samples of the classic sound with the ability to control envelopes and filters, it surprisingly versatile for a sampled synth.
     
    They have some free packs on the site. Pick up the Novachord free pack, its quite special.

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    Another +1 for Hollow Sound.
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    Re:Need Some Soft Synth Advice!! 2011/09/15 10:00:12 (permalink)
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    For example, go to Indiginus.com and buy a couple $5 libraries such as the Nashville Electric Guitar. Or some great cheap pianos from Sampletekk. Or some fun freebies such as Raw Steel, Deviant States or Dumpster Percussion.

    Excellent links....thanks Bit!! I've been meaning to do a search for some 3rd party libraries and this couldn't have come at a better time. If there are more good sites, please do post them!!
     
    Olpal, you got me thinking on this crossgrade to K8 and found some sites that had it for $369 (it'd be totally worth it if I can sell the licenses I have).....the only thing that concerns me is I'm on Vista/XP and not sure if K8 has any issues with them?
    I'll check around and see there are any issues. I know Glyn's been looking into this as well.

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