ASG
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Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
Im finally reaching the point that my cpu needs are really taking a toll on my dual core laptop. I want to move up to a big time desktop computer that i can count on for some time, but do i really need to drop two or three thousand for a rain ion or something from ADK? is it worth it? customer support wise? lifetime warranties, thats what were paying for right? I need a desktop with 6 usb ports and a quad core, with a butt ton of hard drive and thats built to last. And while were at it, is anybody familliar with solid state disc drives?
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alexoosthoek
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/15 18:19:50
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Why ask this question if you already think they are overpriced?
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ohgrant
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/15 20:19:48
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Need? Absolutely not, but a custom build will assure you have a stable system optimized for the job. There is a guy here that has built several machines for users here. Jim Roseberry I think his name is. I would think he could build you a great DAW for a lot less. Just guessing there I don't know what he charges.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/15 22:53:56
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Over priced, or over spec.??? - there is a difference I have just ordered a purpose build DAW from SCAN in the UK. When you start to price up the individual components and look what goes into these systems you are not really paying that much of a premium to the builder. You can of course pick up a off the shelf office or gaming PC cheaper but by the time you add extra RAM, hard drives, SSD or what ever there will not be a whole load of difference and the chance of compatibility issues will be nuch greater. If you don't need that type of spec you don't need to spend so much, SCAN for example do a i5 based DAW with 8GB RAM and 1.5 TB hard disk space for less than half the price of the system I am getting. Its all about the specification, their professionally built DAWs range in price from around 700 UK pounds, up to about 6000
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Cactus Music
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/15 23:07:02
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Yes the word overpriced was a pour choice. Expensive yes, overpriced, not really. You get what you pay for. Or you could build your own , but that will take hours and days of research. Fine if your unemployed and it's a good hobby too.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/16 04:52:15
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It's worth the extra expense when you consider a) you know it's been set up properly, b) warranties
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ASG
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/16 12:11:29
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I'm not saying I know they're over priced, I'm asking if the warranties and service are worth the price. I guess having a custom build wouldn't be that much cheaper anyways.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/16 12:29:18
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The advantage of a custom build is just that... You have control over literally every component that goes into the machine. Quality components (known to work well in a DAW), configured well... That's as good as it gets.
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ASG
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/16 12:49:46
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So are things like driver trouble and blue screen crashes relatively unheard of with these builds?
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noldar12
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 00:18:17
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I've had ADK build a coupe of machines over the years. Like anything electronic, parts can break, boards fail, etc., etc., etc. When that has happened, or I've had other troubles, I have always found their tech support to be most helpful. As one who is not in the position to build my own, or want the headaches of finding the parts that "play nice" with each other, I consider the money very well spent. You will find that both the people at ADK, and Jim Roseberry, are very helpful, and you would not go wrong purchasing from either. Both can tailor a machine to your needs, and depending on what you do, you may or may not need a real "high-end" computer.
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ASG
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 00:25:52
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thanks noldar. im thinking like a low end adk tower, under 1 grand. Maybe a core i7 Cube. Do they have good warranties? I know they have lifetime tech support but would i pay an arm and a leg in the unlikely event that something were to go wrong?
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 09:28:34
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Noldar12 Thank You! HI ASG, the warranty lenght is up to you we offer 1,2,3 yr warranties. many items in the system in fact most have 3 yr warranty, some items like certain video cards and memory have lifetime warranty. others like power supplies are 5 yr optical drives are 1 yr but if under our 2/3 yr warranty then its covered. even if you are out of warranty with us we will still assist and getting the part warrantied. often (but not always) we may have the part in stock already and will just swap out with you and deal with RMA ourselves.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 09:30:14
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Jim Roseberry The advantage of a custom build is just that... You have control over literally every component that goes into the machine. Quality components (known to work well in a DAW), configured well... That's as good as it gets. I've had Jim build me one in the past so I can only speak from past experience. I know others have had Scott build them a DAW as well and are happy there...two quality products.....and they both contribute regularly here on the sonar boards. So interaction is never a problem. Jim's custom DAW fro me was worth it.....Quality Product, and Excellent Customer Support......but then again I did not have any issues with his build......I have asked him questions in the past and he has always taken the time to fully help me out...... So all I can say is give him a call at Studio cat and see what he can do for you....... Clifford
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Westside Steve
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 13:56:26
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You seem a little hostile right off the bat. Remember you probably won't get Mike Dell on thr phone.... WSS
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/17 14:03:28
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WSS
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ASG
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/18 02:55:57
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LOL Westside made me laugh. Jcschild are all ADK computers wireless for keyboards and mice? Thatd be great to have two more free usb ports. I suppose i dont need the best tower on the market, just maxed out memory speed and of course quality. I do mostly software and in the box mixing, and plan to keep it that way. i have a feeling any day now ill need to get another computer because i have so much software and so many samples as it is, and i only plan to get more!
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/18 08:14:40
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ASG, we have wired or wireless KB/mouse. plenty of USB, like 4 USB3 and 10 USB2 if you are doing havy sample libraries then you would want the faster Socket 2011 (Hex Xtreme) where medium amount the the lessot rpriced systems work fine
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dcumpian
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/18 09:06:27
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ASG So are things like driver trouble and blue screen crashes relatively unheard of with these builds? The machine will be properly specced and setup well, with no additional crap. You still may have driver issues depending on your choice of audio interface, but at least you'll have a person to call should you need help/advice on getting it sorted. Regards, Dan
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ASG
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/19 15:32:57
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Alright cool beans. So I went to the adk website and there were only 4 desktops, are those the only models they have? Or is that just sort of like a starting point and you customize things to your liking after you pick one?
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/21 09:28:41
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its 5 systems ! did you even click into them? highly configurable choices/ starting points. from left to right is price point most fall in the first 3. feel free to call
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silvercn
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/21 16:57:04
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So short of RAIN of adk - what other big "name" brands should we start to focus on first?
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barlowjam
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/27 14:20:17
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ASG: I'm in the same position you are in terms of needing to replace my system. The system I have now I bought from ADK (about five years ago!). It has been a great machine. Not only that, their support is even better than I would have expected. I even called recently to describe the issue that I am having and Eric said it sounds like I only need to replace my RAM sticks - that they are going bad. Hopefully that's the case. But eventually I am going to need to replace my sys and also don't really know much about what specs I would or wouldn't need to get a functional replacement and can't really spend what I would like to get another system from them. I am always recording only one instrument/track at a time - so that's probably not as demanding as other guys that say, record live bands. But I do use Omnisphere and East/West samples (to name two) which can sometimes tax my current system a bit. Got some research to do, I guess.
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barlowjam
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/27 14:22:43
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Oops - posted twice. [deleted] ... just went to the ADK site. I guess I would be fine with their starter sys for under $1500. I just don't have that right now. Might make more sense though, in the long run, to just wait until I do.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/27 18:59:26
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Seems odd to me to ask these question here instead of asking the company directly?? Pick 3 builders, Look at the web site and ask them directly any questions if the web site is not showing you what you need to know.
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barlowjam
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/27 21:22:13
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Hey Cactus - not sure if you were responding to me, but I don't have the money to spend on an ADK sys right now (as is the case with the original poster) and am trying to get some info (helpful info) in terms of what less expensive alternatives there might be. And as nice as the ADK guys are (and as top-shelf as their stuff is), you don't go to a new car showroom to ask questions about a used car. And although I am certain they would help me find a less expensive alternative (being the helpful/knowledgeable souls that they are) I wouldn't feel right taking up their time with a question like that. Hence the reason for checking out this thread. I hadn't been to this forum in years. I am immediately (only one post in) reminded why. You actually went to the trouble to post and express your opinion that you think others' questions are odd. That seems odd to me. Lot of things to consider when purchasing a system and any bit of info that others might offer could be helpful.
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spark240
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/01/29 15:56:09
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/21 22:58:49
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I just want to put in a good word for Rain Computers. I've picked up a laptop from them and it has been great for working with Sonar. They set the settings right from the beginning when I received it. If I've had a question, when I get support they truly know both my computer and Sonar and tons of stuff about external devices and how to avoid conflicts. I think their support adds considerable value and makes them a good decision. You could spend countless frustrating hours trying to research and figure out why something doesn't work, and then be too exhausted to feel musically creative, or take advantage of a good company that can help you out of a jam even a year or more after your purchase. Last thing I'll mention is that in my upgrade I moved from a desktop to a powerful laptop and I'm definitely putting in more productive time since the laptop frees me to roam.
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jacktheexcynic
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 08:01:23
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i recently got a DAW from ADK, paid around $1900 for it i think. i got the acoustic treatment along some other noise reduction options. brought some friends over to show them my mini-studio (10x10 or thereabouts). standing by the door, i thought to myself, "that's weird, why is my computer off?" it wasn't. not asleep either. just really, really quiet. you had to listen for it and then you could hear it, barely. the most important thing you can do in home recording is work on your recording space. having a nearly dead quiet computer addresses the most common source of noise in home recordings. it's the one thing you can't turn off. a DAW builder can do that for you, dell and HP not so much. it costs extra but it's worth it.
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 13:07:04
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love it!
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 16:39:16
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ive built daws for under 450-500 bucks that are more than suffient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZ7ZrsTl3g if you think you have the skill,build your own. its not rocket science. but if you want absolute quality,jim is a great builder from everything ive heard. good luck
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