Need advice for "Edit Clip Map" feature *SOLVED* Don't use Edit Clip Map. lol

Hi, guys. I have a bit of a conundrum and was hoping for a bit of advice. I've been going through an old set of tracks that were performed live in studio without a click track. There is quite a bit of drift so I'm using the Audiosnap Pallette's Edit Clip Map function on the kick drum part to manually sync up the project timeline to the tracks. Just trying to get a tempo map of everything and so I can decide what to do from there. For the most part this has been working because the majority of the songs more or less have a steady kick beat. However...

One track starts off at half time, is rather slow and the kick is only really hitting accents. Also the first half of this part has no kick at all (guitar intro). Then it goes into another slow part which is different accents and another tempo before the song finally kicks into the main part. Halfway through there is a breakdown which is actually a time sig change but I think I can force it into the main tempo and finally a revisit to the intro part and back into the main riffs until the end.

So I've got a LOT of time changes and it seems to be confusing the Audiosnap engine. If I select the entire clip for editing it won't let me move the beat nodes (not transients but the markers at the top of the clip map that are getting lined up to the transients). If I split the beginning part from the main part then I can move them however after editing the map I get an error message because it's not giving me a 0 on the timeline and it doesn't seem to want to allow me to move things around in a way that will fix this... at least not a way that's making any sense.

So after fiddling with this for a while yesterday I decided to call it a night and try again today. Before I do though I was wondering if you guys could give me some tips on how I should approach this process. I really wish I could just edit the entire clip as one unit but as I said then I can't move beat markers.

I've got a lot more I'm curious about regarding this and what I intend to do with it after it's done but I'll leave it at that for now.

I hope you are all enjoying your long weekend. Thanks.

Splitting or slip editing the track should fix most problems but you do need to apply trimming or bounce the clip down once you've done that.

If you want to keep the clip whole you can always add transients manually to give you something to line up beat markers with.

HTH

Okay, made a little progress. I installed the A patch after creating a restore point. That seems to have help reduce a LITTLE bit of the bugginess. Now I can grab the tempo markers with a little more consistency in Edit Clip Map mode. Still kind of hit or miss though. Also reducing my pallette threshold to 0% helped me have more transients to drag the markers over top of (can seem to just place them where you want which would make things a LOT easier... if there is a way to do this I'd love to hear it). For some reason when I enable individual transient markers the tempo markers won't snap to them and I'm also not seeing any way to insert markers where there are no transients which again would be a helpful feature for this process. The other problem was trying to get my 0:1 marker to move where I wanted it so I ended up trimming the clip and now I can drag it to the first transient which is actually the first guitar note bleeding through the drum mics. Again this is where being able to either insert a transient marker even if there is no transient and/or just being able to drag the tempo markers and drop them where I want would come in super handy. The reason I'm doing all this is so I can view the tempo fluctuations in the project to see problem areas and make decisions as to how to proceed. I may just try to average out portions of the track and set tempo in tempo view then use that grid to make corrections or I may try some time stretching wackiness. Either way I need this initial map. Kind of wish this all wasn't so buggy and rigid. Perhaps I am overlooking something but I don't see any sections in the manual on this so I'm pretty much using trial and error based on Karl's vid. Alright... back to it. Cheers.

You just know they were holding it up its release on my account. lol

Beepster


Hi, guys. I have a bit of a conundrum and was hoping for a bit of advice. I've been going through an old set of tracks that were performed live in studio without a click track. There is quite a bit of drift so I'm using the Audiosnap Pallette's Edit Clip Map function on the kick drum part to manually sync up the project timeline to the tracks. Just trying to get a tempo map of everything and so I can decide what to do from there. For the most part this has been working because the majority of the songs more or less have a steady kick beat. However...

One track starts off at half time, is rather slow and the kick is only really hitting accents. Also the first half of this part has no kick at all (guitar intro). Then it goes into another slow part which is different accents and another tempo before the song finally kicks into the main part. Halfway through there is a breakdown which is actually a time sig change but I think I can force it into the main tempo and finally a revisit to the intro part and back into the main riffs until the end.

So I've got a LOT of time changes and it seems to be confusing the Audiosnap engine. If I select the entire clip for editing it won't let me move the beat nodes (not transients but the markers at the top of the clip map that are getting lined up to the transients). If I split the beginning part from the main part then I can move them however after editing the map I get an error message because it's not giving me a 0 on the timeline and it doesn't seem to want to allow me to move things around in a way that will fix this... at least not a way that's making any sense.

So after fiddling with this for a while yesterday I decided to call it a night and try again today. Before I do though I was wondering if you guys could give me some tips on how I should approach this process. I really wish I could just edit the entire clip as one unit but as I said then I can't move beat markers.

I've got a lot more I'm curious about regarding this and what I intend to do with it after it's done but I'll leave it at that for now.

I hope you are all enjoying your long weekend. Thanks.

High Beep,
I thought to miss you here in the forum, but I´m simply to distracted .
Nice to see you here!
Pragi

Hi, Pragi. Good to see you as well. I had taken a bit of a break from the forum for a couple months to work on some music theory and more general studies on music production. I hope you have been well. Cheers.


@Karl... Ah, good. Thanks for that. I'll make an attempt at some of those. This is a bit of an odd situation as I'm treating the entire set of 20 tracks as one long project for now so that could be causing some issues. I also had been aligning the first kick hit and then using snap offset but then I thought it might have been unnecessary so stopped. I'll go back to doing that. A couple problems that are problem messing things up is how much this stuff drifts and the fact that the kick flams quite a bit due to the style of music. I'll be taking a closer look to see how I can work around that. It is however mostly working once I get going. Just this one song is so all over the place it's confusing Sonar. Splitting it into sections seems to be helping. Thanks again.

This isn't working for this track at all. Just went through a massive section with everything seemingly where it was supposed to be and it would throw error messages. If I snipped stuff sometimes it would extract the tempo but it was a mess in tempo view. The pallette kept freezing up as well. Very frustrating. However I think I MAY have found a much easier solution that isn't dependent on the kick track or relying on tempo detection/audio snap. For some reason I overlooked the "Set Measure/Beat at Now" option of the time ruler (right click in lower half of the ruler). Seems I can just put the Now Time where I think the beats should be, select that and Bob's my creepy uncle. If this works it will be a FAR better solution than my current bug ridden nightmare. I will report back with my findings.