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2012/02/10 19:43:42 (permalink)

Need advice from computer gurus..

I am using n off the shelf HP laptop fight now and it has been OK but it is worrying me. First the fingerprint reader stopped working for websites, it still works to sign on. Then the HP advisor that checks for hardware driver updates and other updates stopped working. Now twicein the last couple of weeks it has insisted in running chkdsk (sp?). It runs and says everything is OK but something must be wrong.
I don't have any Sonar projects stored o this HD and I backup the "default set" using Norton 360 to an external HD... still I am not sure what I am doing and I DO NOT want to have to re-install X1 and my plugins and other stuff I might even forget I had.
 
I have no idea how to clone my disk and I don't want to spend more than I have to to get it done. I wonder if I can just sign up for Mozy and be done with it?
 
Someone tell me what to do to avoid disaster. This lappy has an i5 and a 7200 RPM HD and runs really well but I am afraid something might be going wrong. Maybe everything is OK, maybe I just wandered onto the wrong internet, laff. Anyway.. what to do? I know I need to spend some money and buy a dedicated desktop and just use this for surfing. I think I need to buy three hard drives, one for backup, one for samples and other sounds, and one for projects... then use another one with a partition for my OS and the rest of it for whatever I am working on... does that sound about right and what should I do to clone this HD.. the EASY way. If it is too complex or expensive, I wont get it done.
 
Thanks for any advice...
 
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    spacealf
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/11 00:35:49 (permalink)
    May have something going wrong with it?? Have you ran an anti-virus program (there are free ones like Avast - I quit using AVG because I can turn on and off Avast) at boot time, before windows starts up. Checkdisk will only do so much, and seeing if any file is corrupted or Java may help. Of course a better ant-virus is always better especially if your ISP has one to download for free perhaps that may be better. That is all I can suggest about the HP, for there have been some weird things on the Internet but lately all it has affected on mine is Java (Runtime for your browser - which may need an update) or one of Microsoft critical updates. I update my computer when I want to, and do not leave the computer to do it automatically. I would use the Update Driver in Windows perhaps in Device Manager that shows all your hardware in your computer or go to the individual websites for each manufacturer unless you are just typing about HP updates, then I still would do that on my own by doing it manually. Surely there is a update function somewhere where you get that up and go directly to the HP website if that is the case. Look around your computer.

     
     
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/11 07:38:25 (permalink)
    I do a lot of support on the Dell users forum. 

    With things working and now not working it could be a sign of a hard drive problem, but then it may just be an Operating System issue.  

    All new PC's I've seen have a procedure to create a set of backup discs, that needs to be done in case you do have a complete hard drive failure so you can restore the PC.  All new PC's I've seen (from Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc) have a restore partition on the hard drive that will restore the PC to the original factory condition, this is one option you may want to consider given the various OS functions that no longer work.  However, you need to backup any user data to some external media (e.g. flash drive, CD's, etc) before you do the factory restore as all data will be lost.  I don't know what the key procedure is to access the factory restore on an HP, but it's done at power on.

    Before you opt for the factory restore, try the Windows 7 "Startup Repair".  You will need the Windows 7 Operating System Disc (usually not supplied with new PC's) or a startup repair disc that you can create.  Here is the Microsoft info on creating and using the startup repair disc:
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Create-a-system-repair-disc

    If none of this helps and you are still getting chk disc runs, I would suspect a faulty or failing hard drive. 

    For antivirus, I use and recommend the free Microsoft Security Essentials.  It is highly rated and very popular.  http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials

    I also use and recommend Malwarebytes program for malware/spyware detection.  You can download the free version and run it at least once a week.   http://www.malwarebytes.org/
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/12 16:50:41 (permalink)
    However, you need to backup any user data to some external media (e.g. flash drive, CD's, etc) before you do the factory restore as all data will be lost.

     
    Most full factory restores will not only wipe your data but also uninstall all your programs and require that you re-authorize everything that is copy protected, and will often put back the bloatware that you have removed. Basically they will format your drive and install everything back as it was when it came from the factory, although they may do that by doing a sector by sector write from an image rather than by a format and copy process.
     
    A restoration from an image of your working system may not do any of that, but if the problem is with corrupted OS or programs, then those errors will be restored as well. The time to image your system is before it starts to get hinky.
     
    Chkdsk is not really triggered by a disk hardware problem per se, but by a flag that is not cleared by a normal shut down or by insconsistencies between indexing files that keep track of where files are stored on the drive. So it is pretty common to find Chkdsk triggering on a normal drive if the software is not behaving itself, most commonly because the power was shut down before the system and software had finished writing their good-byes to the disk. It is also common enough to find a really ****ty drive that will never trigger chkdsk because the bad sectors do not screw with the indexes.
     
    The best test of the drive itself is to run software available from the drive maker (or in some cases the system manufacturer) that can check for more problems than the OS can see. The ultimate test is to read and write to every nominally good sector bit by bit to check for errors, but that is usually destructive of the data that is already there, so if you are using disk test software you need to understand what kind of test is going to run. That kind of testing would be applicable to a drive that you have imaged, and want to be sure is OK to put the image back on. And no test will find a catastrophic failur that is about to happen (head crash, motor failure) that has not yet occured. That is another reason to keep a working image as well as data backups handy.
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/14 11:22:01 (permalink)
    FWIW, This type of scenario is exactly what you want to use True Image, Paragon (or similar) to create/maintain an up-to-date backup image file.  
    If you had that, you could simply reload... and be right back to a properly working machine (assuming the hardware is OK).  Doesn't help this time around... but take the time to do this once all is sorted out. 
     

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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/14 19:59:25 (permalink)
    Thanks all... the LAST thing I want to have to do is reload and re-rgister all my software... I would rather take a beating...maybe.
     
    I need to do a drive image. I notice some are for purchase and I saw one that was free... I thin Acronis was reasonably priced. I am not familiar with any of them andyeah, I need to make sure everything is up to speed. Ijusthada high CPU usage "performance alert" while typing this. I have an extra two year warranty from Best Buy. I think I will take it there, have them remove everything that I don't use and get one of the image programs. I need the easiest one and I need a couple of dependable hard drives. I have seen some great deals on externaal drives but the reviews on them are almost always all over the board. I'd rather spend more and have a drive that isn't likely to die in two weeks.
    So, if anyone can recommend external hard drives that wold be great too.. thanks for the advice!
     
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/14 20:34:32 (permalink)
    I need to do a drive image. I notice some are for purchase and I saw one that was free...

     
    For just making a backup image of your OS partition, Windows 7 is all you need.
     
    Windows Backup
     
    Or any of a number of Free Backup programs will work.
     
    In some cases a restoration of an image (espcially if it is to a different drive or partition system than the original) may still break the copy protection registration of some of your software. To make pirating more difficult some clever and annoying software makers have linked the lock to charateristics of the drive and logical structure of the drive to which it was originally installed.
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 06:49:45 (permalink)
    Although Win 7 has built in backup application and there are free ones around such as the Macrium, I like Acronis and use and recommend it. 

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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 11:13:29 (permalink)
    Although Win 7 has built in backup application and there are free ones around such as the Macrium, I like Acronis and use and recommend it.

     
    Agreed.  Rock-solid backup is best done outside of Windows.
    I've used True Image successfully hundreds if not thousands of times.
    Every DAW that leaves here is backed up via True Image.
     

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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 14:06:57 (permalink)
    fireberd


    Although Win 7 has built in backup application and there are free ones around such as the Macrium, I like Acronis and use and recommend it. 

    I have acronis installed on my non daw and I think something is running in the background.
     
    If I install it on my Daw how do I keep it from running in the background. I would just want to make a manual
    backup/image.
     
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 14:44:05 (permalink)
    I have acronis installed on my non daw and I think something is running in the background. If I install it on my Daw how do I keep it from running in the background. I would just want to make a manual backup/image.

     
    True Image need not even be installed on your DAW.
    Go to the Tools Menu... and create a Bootable Rescue CD.
    Boot the machine (or any machine) from that CD... and you can create/restore any backup image file.
    Super clean way to approach backup...

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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 19:55:07 (permalink)
    I disabled all the startup items for Acronis in the "msconfig" (System Configuration).  Nothing is running in the background but I can still use Acronis.

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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/02/15 20:29:52 (permalink)
    True Image need not even be installed on your DAW. Go to the Tools Menu... and create a Bootable Rescue CD. Boot the machine (or any machine) from that CD... and you can create/restore any backup image file. Super clean way to approach backup...

     
    That sounds like what I need.
     
    Can you rcommend a reliable external HD ?
     
    Thanks!
     
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    Re:Need advice from computer gurus.. 2012/03/31 04:11:36 (permalink)
    A restoration from an image of your working system may not do any of that, but if the problem is with corrupted OS or programs, then those errors will be restored as well. The time to image your system is before it starts to get hinky. Chkdsk is not really triggered by a disk hardware problem per se, but by a flag that is not cleared by a normal shut down or by insconsistencies between Bridesmaid Dresses indexing files that keep track of where files are stored on the drive. So it is pretty common to find Chkdsk triggering on a normal drive if the software is not behaving itself, most commonly because the power was shut down before the system and software had finished writing their good-byes to the disk. It is also common enough to find a really ****ty drive that will never trigger chkdsk because the bad sectors do not screw with the indexes.
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