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2012/03/18 18:05:07 (permalink)

Need guitar purchasing advice.

Howdy gents. Does anyone know anything about Epiphone guitars?

I've been wanting to get a Sheraton II (Left handed of course). Went down to GC today to check out the right handed ones just to see how the neck felt etc.

Looked at the back, "Made In China". My heart sunk. :(

They want $620 + whatever a hard shell case costs for a left handed one.

That's a lot of money for a Chinese made guitar IMO.

They look beautiful, they sound beautiful, if it would have said, "Made In U.S.A" I would have fell for it, they look that solid. But ... how long will it last before the finish peals off, frets wear out, pickups arc, pot's crackle like my 2 month old Indonesian made Fender Jazz bass. :(, neck separates from the body, and so on. I was reading that the neck is glued on. I'm thinking, Chinese glue, shipped overseas in not so optimal conditions, it has to be weakened already. They ship those things in cardboard boxes.

I've never read a bad review about these guitars, but I don't know if the reviews are for ones made in China or not. There seems to be many different releases of the Sheraton II.

I need to keep my spending under $1,000. The left handed Gibson version is $3500. :(

Thoughts?

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 18:36:08 (permalink)

    I couldn't do $630 for a imported plywood guitar that is smothered in polyester.


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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 18:42:06 (permalink)
    craigb has a beauty of a geetar for only $5K.
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 18:50:35 (permalink)
    I bought an Epiphone last summer in NY, mainly because we travel a lot and I wouldn't want anything happening to my American strat or any more expensive guitar. 

    My previous experience w/ mid-priced Epiphones ($400-500) had left me rather skeptical. 

    I bought this tiny LP Junior for pocket change during the 4th of July sale at Sam Ash and, much to my surprise, she rocks. I carry her w/ me everywhere, and even at home I end up playing that little bastard more than my prized strat.

    This one's made in Indonesia I think. So far, despite the extreme climatic changes, the plane and everything, it's still intact and just as much fun to play as it was when I took it off the rack. No issues w/ pots, no problem w/ the pick up, paint holding on alright - beside a little dent she suffered on the way to Russia.

    That being said, as strange as it may sound, I'd be more hesitant to buy a mid-priced one. This one was supposed to be disposable - turns out that she's tougher than I expected. But as w/ any less expensive guitar, you can't be sure. I had a Squier strat that I paid 3 times as much and the electronics started falling apart not even a year later. This one, well, if I had problems w/ it, for the price I paid, I wouldn't mind so much throwing a few more $ to replace a little something. As I said, it was supposed to be disposable. But I grew fond of it - and she turned me back onto LPs.

    But $600 is a decent chunk of money... I'm sure someone can suggest a more reliable option.
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 20:25:30 (permalink)
    I have and use an old Epi Riviera. I modded it out with new pickups and stud tailpiece and schalers. I like it.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 20:58:07 (permalink)
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    craigb has a beauty of a geetar for only $5K.

    Ya, but they usually go for over $7k...
     

     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 22:02:42 (permalink)
    Bub, I too am a lefty, and understand how hard it is to find a quality guitar for a reasonable price. Do some web research on Agile guitars. I know a guy who recently got the Agile version of what you are looking for. Very impressive guitar, with great attention to detail, good electronics, and excellent playability. And less than the Epi! I'm going to get one myself in a few weeks.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 22:10:25 (permalink)
    +1 on the Agiles.  I have friends that just love theirs.  Other options you might want to look into are Tokai and Yamaha.  Excellent value for the price.

     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 22:11:19 (permalink)
    There are Epiphones and there are Epiphones. The name is same but that's just paint. Somewhere in America someone makes an Epiphone with quality materials. The same is true of Gibson, Fender, etc. Not everything made in China is cheap sheet. While a lot of it is nothing more than a knock off of the original thing, finding the real thing from anywhere is becoming more of a challenge everyday. Learn guitars and then you'll know what you are buying.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 22:52:19 (permalink)
    The guitarist in my last praise band got a Les Paul knockoff last year with a brand none of us had heard of - and it sounds so good you'd suspect it was a "switched at birth" incident where someone mixed up a Gibson with a cheapie. I think he paid $150 for it used.  Great find. I think he's going to put a Gibson headstock on it for the fun of it.

    Craig's right - the thing with the outsourced manufacturing is that their quality control isn't as tight, and you can get junk or diamonds from the same batch. Do a lot of tire-kicking and patient searching and test-playing.  There are some good guitars out there.




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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 23:11:51 (permalink)
    I can't really speak for the current crop, but I've had an Epiphone Genesis just like this one since '80.
    http://www.epiphone.com/News/Features/Blog/January-2011/1980-Epiphone-Genesis.aspx

    Made in Taiwan.
    She has never seen the inside of a case in 32 years. Finish is still fine, even around the handful of nicks picked up over the years. Pups and switches are still fully functional(and original).
    She holds a close second to my '78 Ibanez LP Deluxe 59er. Made in Japan. Still nearly pristine.
    On the other hand, my Gibson S-1, made in USA, has not stood up as well. The finish is fine, but the 4-way rotary switch is toast.
    Point being, I can't dog an import simply because it is an import.
    For 6 bills, I'd definitely want to put my hands on it.
    Does it feel good?
    Does it sound good?
    If you disregard for a moment, where the guitar was made, would you spend the money on  it?
    That's all I've got.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 23:26:06 (permalink)
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    The guitarist in my last praise band got a Les Paul knockoff last year with a brand none of us had heard of - and it sounds so good you'd suspect it was a "switched at birth" incident where someone mixed up a Gibson with a cheapie. I think he paid $150 for it used.  Great find. I think he's going to put a Gibson headstock on it for the fun of it. 


    Not sure if that would make the guitar any more appealing though.  Right now, quality is job 42 at Gibson and sinking...  I remember trying almost 20 different Les Paul's (Standards and Customs) and two seemed truly playable off the rack and pretty much all of them felt different.  Not good!

     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/18 23:40:25 (permalink)
    I have an Epiphone Les Paul I bought used around 1996. Everything still works as designed, sounds great. A solid guitar. But, I don't play live, don't drag it with me everywhere I go; it nevers leaves the house.
    I have no idea where it was made. There's nothing on it except a sticker, "100% inspected and set-up in the USA by 14", so it was obviously made overseas, and a serial number.
    I like it.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 02:59:09 (permalink)
    Got an Epi LP with a Floyd Rose and its a tough one to play.

    On the other hand my go to guitar is a Stagg LS 400 with SD Phat cats added on and a Bigsby ! Weighs 8 kilos !

    Made in China, low action beautiful neck never been touched since i got it 7 years ago. Needs re-fretting now, but still plays beautifully. Total cost 600 Euros.

    I may get another one. My USA HH Strat doesn't play as well.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:06:02 (permalink)
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    Bub, I too am a lefty, and understand how hard it is to find a quality guitar for a reasonable price. Do some web research on Agile guitars. I know a guy who recently got the Agile version of what you are looking for. Very impressive guitar, with great attention to detail, good electronics, and excellent playability. And less than the Epi! I'm going to get one myself in a few weeks.

    Randy
    Thanks. I went and checked out their site and they don't have the one I want left handed. Grrr. I'll email them and see if that's something they can do.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:13:19 (permalink)
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    There are Epiphones and there are Epiphones. The name is same but that's just paint. Somewhere in America someone makes an Epiphone with quality materials. The same is true of Gibson, Fender, etc. Not everything made in China is cheap sheet. While a lot of it is nothing more than a knock off of the original thing, finding the real thing from anywhere is becoming more of a challenge everyday. Learn guitars and then you'll know what you are buying.
    A guy I know sells purses on ebay that look like name brand Gucci, in fact, they are Gucci purses. He said he was nervous the first time he did it. He sent $1500 to some guy in China, 6 weeks later half his order showed up, he emailed the guy, turns out the shipment got busted in customs, so he reshipped what he didn't get. From what he tells me, Gucci orders 5,000 purses, the factory in China sets up their production line to make 10,000, they jack the price up to Gucci to cover their cost, and the rest is pure profit. They are real, just some 'extra's' that fell off the assembly line. He said a lot of the knock off stuff is actually real, but it all goes down this way directly at the factories.

    As for the American made Epiphones, I 'think' they are called Epiphone Elite guitars. IIRC.


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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:19:27 (permalink)
    Have patience, check every day... They have some great deals.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:29:45 (permalink)
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    I can't really speak for the current crop, but I've had an Epiphone Genesis just like this one since '80.
    http://www.epiphone.com/News/Features/Blog/January-2011/1980-Epiphone-Genesis.aspx

    Made in Taiwan.
    She has never seen the inside of a case in 32 years. Finish is still fine, even around the handful of nicks picked up over the years. Pups and switches are still fully functional(and original).
    She holds a close second to my '78 Ibanez LP Deluxe 59er. Made in Japan. Still nearly pristine.
    On the other hand, my Gibson S-1, made in USA, has not stood up as well. The finish is fine, but the 4-way rotary switch is toast.
    I hope I don't cause too many strokes or heart attacks here ... but, I've never played a Gibson guitar that I liked. I have a $5000 left handed Gibson Custom, you know, the black one with gold hardware, I played it out twice, recorded with it once. I hate it. A buddy of mine, who is more than slightly off kilter, took his flying V out in the yard, poured lighter fluid on it, and burned it up ... true story. He said he found one of those guitars they sell at WalMart in the garbage and fixed it up, sounds 100 times better. BTW ... I forget the name of those Wally World guitars, but you can go to their web site and order custom made ones.
    Point being, I can't dog an import simply because it is an import.
    For 6 bills, I'd definitely want to put my hands on it.
    Does it feel good?
    Yes. It felt better than any guitar I've ever played except for my 83' Japanese Strat. Well, that and the left handed John Lennon edition Rick. Why oh why didn't I buy that? :( Click Here For Image Of Lennon Lefty
    Does it sound good?
    Yes. It sounds incredible. There's all kinds of sound/video demo's on Youtube. 
    If you disregard for a moment, where the guitar was made, would you spend the money on  it?
    Yes. In a heartbeat.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:37:58 (permalink)
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    I have an Epiphone Les Paul I bought used around 1996. Everything still works as designed, sounds great. A solid guitar. But, I don't play live, don't drag it with me everywhere I go; it nevers leaves the house.
    I have no idea where it was made. There's nothing on it except a sticker, "100% inspected and set-up in the USA by 14", so it was obviously made overseas, and a serial number.
    I like it.
    One of the guys in my brothers band has played the same plane white Epiphone Les Paul ever since I've known him and they just celebrated their 30th year together, so it's at least 30 years old. I can't tell the difference between it and any other LP I've ever heard. But ... there's a real good chance that being over 30 years old, it was made here in the U.S. with better materials.


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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/19 23:41:04 (permalink)
    @bandontherun: Thanks, I'll check that site out.

    Sorry it took me so long to reply to you all. I dropped my laptop right after I started this thread and destroyed the screen. :( Now I'm on my DAW and it's a PITA.

    I'll be here even less from now on. At least before I could sit and watch my recorded shows after work while cruising the forums, no more of that. Grrr.

    Thanks.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/20 00:44:41 (permalink)
    Bub

    Yes. In a heartbeat.

    Well, if you were me, you would already need another guitar stand.
    I don't buy a lot of instruments, but if one speaks to me, and loves me back, it's pretty much a done deal.
    Sometimes it's not so much about the money, but how the instrument speaks to you.
    Only you can make that call.



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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/20 00:56:26 (permalink)
    I've had an Epiphone before and had to replace all the cheap electronics in it (it was a korina V).  Hey, they have to cut corners somewhere, roight?
     
    That said, I might be tempted for one of the following Epi's:
     

     

     
    (Ok, who am I kidding?  I actually seriously pursued both at one time.  Someday...)

     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 20:56:05 (permalink)
    Talked to the tech at the only guitar shop I trust in Des Moines today. He's got 40+ years under his belt. When he was able to speak again after seeing my Left Handed Gibson Custom Fretless Wonder (apparently it's incredibly rare. Who'da thunk it? I had no idea, always hated it, but I got it cheap.), we talked about the Epiphone Sheraton II. He said even the ones made in China are an excellent guitar and to have no worries about buying one. He said he's played them and has one of his own. So, those of you looking to buy a semi-hollow body beauty of a guitar, black, natural, or sunburst, check it out. Right handed version is only $599.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:03:47 (permalink)
    Sorry I have come to this late Bub, I have an Epiphone Beatle Bass, and love it as some have said there is Epiphone and there is Epiphone.

    Epiphone if I remember was an offshoot of Gibson in the first place, if my memory served me correct and I think Lennon had an Epiphone Casino, once again correct me if I am wrong.

    The made in China thing is garbage now, almost eveything is made in china and I personally have no problem with this.

    Most of the stuff that has been made in China is designed else where.

    the funniest thing is Fender Guitars made in Mexico.

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:11:30 (permalink)
    Save your money and get one next year. Save your change, put it in a jar, throw dollar bills in there when you can. You'll be happier in the end with a better guitar. You can get a cheaper one? But in the long run? You are a musician dude... You deserve a nice guitar.

    Check out this site, and watch it every day, www.hellomusic.com

    They have good deals, they only last 1 day, and the next day they have other good deals.


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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:23:01 (permalink)
    Here try this: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EPIETJL it's the John Lennon Casino $1000.

    I have a Yamaha that cost me a 1000 dollars, went into a music store one day to find out how much it would cost to put some Gibson Humbuckers in and the guy said why?? meaning the humbuckers in my Yamaha were as good as as the Gibsons and they really can produce some fat tones.
     
    If Epiphone is good enough for Lennon!!!
     
    What I do sugesst is get the fretwire changed, the fretwire on cheaper guitars are always a problem, this will make the guitar easier to play.
     
    This is what I have done with my Yamaha and my Chinese Accoustic Fender and I have had the Fender for 21 Years still sounds great and going strong and the Yamaha for 12.  I would not part with the Yamaha and I may end up dying with it, same with the Fender.
     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:30:51 (permalink)
    Here is a pic of my Fender

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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:47:21 (permalink)
    This is the closest pic of my Yamaha guitar, sorry I haven't got my guitar here at the moment I am strewn across two cities.
     
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    Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 21:55:40 (permalink)
    Ok found the Yamaha guitar I use it's the AES 500, cost a 1000 10-12 years ago and the pic is the exact same one as I use.
    What makes this baby sooo great is the weight it is heavy, so you get great fuzz sustain and tone.  It weighs 3.2 kilograms.
     
     
    post edited by BenMMusTech - 2012/03/24 21:59:53

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