mtravis37
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Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
[size=3 font="times new roman"]Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
I am currently using Sonar X2 with Native Instruments Kontakt 5. I want to find a best practice for setting up Studio Drummer, or the Abbey Roads Drummer programs in Sonar. I would like to have a similar set up like what I can do with Cakewalk's Session Drummer.
I am struggling with assigning each drum to a separate track in Sonar. I have found some tutorials on the web, but they only get me part way there. I want to have each drum in the Drummer program output to a mono track, and have the overhead mics go to their own stereo tracks.
I am able to set up the output tracks in Kontakt 5, but I don't see all of them in Sonar. Plus the names I assign the tracks in Kontakt, don't all carry over to Sonar. Also, for the tracks I do see, they are not cleanly assigned. I get the Kick drum on Kick L and the Snare on Kick R. Kontakt's outputs are mono, and I have mono Sonar tracks in the instrument, but when I assign them I see Kick L, Kick R and Kick Stereo. Plus, I don't see the overhead stereo mics showing up in Sonar at all, but I have outputs assigned in Kontakt.
Thanks!
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 05:13:10
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I am quite confused.
I use Battery 3 with Sonar, and have a custom kit I created in Battery 3, where each drum cell gets assigned to its own outputs, and then I simply created a bunch of tracks in Sonar and assigned each track to one of the outputs.
And separately, I frequently load multiple instruments into Kontakt 5, making multiple output assignments, and also have no trouble with Sonar having separate tracks pointing to the various outputs from the multiple instrument outputs coming from Kontakt 5.
From the above, it would appear that Sonar doesn't have any issues with assigning the tracks, and it would seem that for instruments that Kontakt also does not have issue with presenting multiple outputs to Sonar, so it would seem that closer examination of exactly what you are doing within Kontakt would be of value.
I will play around with what you are trying to do and post back later today on what I can figure out. I have to leave early this morning for a doctor's appointment, and will be back here in the early afternoon, so I hope to have some additional information for you by late afternoon or early evening today.
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 08:26:53
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The Drummer libraries all have dedicated compressors, EQs, Reverbs, etc. so I though they were designed to do everything inside and just get sent to a stereo track in a DAW (at least that's how I use them).
But anyway, it looks more like a Kontakt issue to me...
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 09:54:23
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I am interested in this question. I haven't bought Abbey Road (though I may), but I did just buy the full version of Kontakt and don't know how to send individual drums to separate tracks as with Session Drummer 3 or EZ Drummer (which make it obvious).
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 11:03:32
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Hi folks,
I actually do this all the time. Once I get into the studio this morning I'll see if I can get you an example of how I do it.
Hm...I actually have track templates and project templates for this...I wonder if I can just put one of those somewhere you can get it and then you could D/L it, open it and reverse engineer it. Anyone know if that works for track templates?
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Razorwit
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 11:51:49
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OK, let's see how well track templates transfer from system to system. I've put a track template of one of my multi-out K5 setups here: http://www.fade.net/NI-AR-Sparkle2.cwx It uses the Abbey Road Modern Drummer Sparkle Kit and has some production done to it (just with Pro Channel). As long as you own that kit you should be able to just open it up and have a look at how it's set up. Let me know if/how that works for you...I've not sent track templates to anyone before so I'm kinda curious if this will work great or fail spectacularly  Dean
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mtravis37
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/01 13:58:05
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Thanks Razorwit, I will download the template and see if that helps. I will let you know.
Thanks,
Mike
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Razorwit
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/02 01:25:27
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Hey, just wondering if that track template worked out for you. Kind of curious about their portability...
Dean
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mtravis37
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/15 17:43:30
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Hello Dean,
Thanks again for the template. I was able to import it, and it does work. However, it is not very clean. The track names in Kontakt don't exactly match up with what I see in X2. In some cases, I had to figure out by listening what insturment (snare for example) belonged to which track.
Here seems to be some hand shacking issues between Cakewalk and Kontakt, with regard to breaking the instrment out into seperate tracks, and names.
I will see if I can take some screen shots post them so you can see what I see. I wonder if you see the same thing.
Thanks,
Mike
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Razorwit
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/16 01:56:20
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Hi Mike,
Sure, throw up a screen shot if you can. Are you hearing (for example) the kick mic's out of a Sonar channel other than the one labeled "Kick"? If so, I suspect you may have the Kontakt Mixer set up differently than I do and it's causing routing problems, but I'm curious.
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/16 02:10:01
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I haven't tried this yet in Sonar but I used to do it in Pro Tools. I seem to remember it being much more of a pain than setting up multi-outs in NI's Battery, which is so easy it's not even funny. One thing I have a vague memory of was having to restart everything after setting up the outputs in Kontakt, because Pro Tools didn't recognize them straight away. Hope that helps.
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2013/02/16 04:08:18
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make sure to use the Kontakt 16 out dll.
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Re:Need help setting up Native Instruments Studio Drummer with Sonar X2.
2015/02/26 05:32:13
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Hey Rahzorwit, the link to your file doesn't work anymore. Could you upload it again and post a link? I need to sort this out for myself.
Much appreciated,
Ryan
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