bstrong
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Need help using Sonitus Compressor
I have a good bass track, but the pick noise is much too loud. So I thought I could squash the attack by using a fast compressor. I loaded the Sonitus Compressor into the effects bin and set the Attack at 0 ms and the Release at 20 ms. The ratio was set very high, above 10. The sound of the attack should be squashed and then the rest of the bass sound after the attack should be normal. But it does not seem to work. The entire base note seems to be squashed. The compressor never really releases. Also I tried the Cakewalk compressor and it seems to operate in the same way. Maybe I do not understand compressors, but I would think that the first part of the note should be reduced in volume with the rest of the note after the release time coming through loud and clear. What is wrong? Thanks.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:18:53
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:29:16
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What is wrong is that the compressor does not release. The sound after the release of 20 ms is still squashed for the duration of the note. I tried different release amounts, 100 ms, 150 ms, etc. but the remainder of the note after the release time is never allowed to come through. It is as though the compressor follows an attack time, but has no release time control. I cannot see that the release time control does anything???
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:37:58
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Ok it sounds like you have no head room, use the trim and lower the input of the track by around 6db. This will give you the head room to compress the track. Also think about it, look at the rms meter and see how much the average level of the track is, you may not need to compress your bass at all, a little EQ maybe is all that is required. Finally no matter what people tell you, to clip internally inside Sonar, and this means inside, not on the way in is fine. And I don't mean that the meter is constantly in the red I mean intermittent clipping. 32 bit can handle (internally) digital overs. Wow we can treat our Sonar mixer like a normal mixer.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:42:23
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Bass can distort if you have too quick of an attack time setting on your compressor. Keep it at 40ms or above.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:43:16
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"What is wrong?" 0ms Why not try something like 0.1ms or maybe even 0.2ms. With a 0ms attack it hardly matters when you release it... it's going to instantly clamp back down... you might even begin to think that it is not releasing.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 18:54:17
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The compressor won't release at all until the input signal falls below the threshold, no matter what the release time. The release timer only starts at that point, is one way to look at it. I'm massively over-simplifying here, but it might be a good starting point for working out what's wrong.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 19:16:30
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If it's pick noise you may want to try EQ or a multiband compressor to concentrate on those higher freqs.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 20:15:50
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You've probably just got the threshold turned down too low. It needs to be above the nominal level of the sustained portion of the bass notes. Also, setting the ratio at 10:1 makes the threshold setting even more touchy. Once you get it dialed in, a 4:1 ratio should be fine for this purpose, although it depends on the envelope of the particular bass patch you're using. Take a close look at the waveform. What is the ratio of the initial transient to the sustain portion? Chances are it's no where near a 10:1 ratio and more like a 2:1 or 3:1. You never want to turn the ratio up higher than what's actually needed.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/09 20:27:51
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mike_mccue "What is wrong?" 0ms Why not try something like 0.1ms or maybe even 0.2ms. With a 0ms attack it hardly matters when you release it... it's going to instantly clamp back down... you might even begin to think that it is not releasing. LOL! Not laughing at the OP - but that is the funniest and most simplistic yet direct to the point answer I have ever read. Brian
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 18:02:21
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Thanks all for the suggestions. I have tried to use EQ, but that does not seem to work at all. I will try turning the threshold way up and reducing the ratio substantially. The part I'm working on is an actual recorded bass part. I will have a look tonight but I think the audio file shows very little difference between the loudness of the pick noise at the attack and the loudness of the rest of the note. I did not know that the compressor will not release until the sound level drops below the threshold. If that is the case, what is the release time for? Once the sound drops before the threshold, I thought it would always release. Perhaps the release time dictates how long the release takes once the release begins. That is interesting because I thought the release time started running with the attack at the beginning of the sound, and the compressor would release after the set amount of release time expired.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 18:12:42
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> Perhaps the release time dictates how long the release takes once the release begins. You've got it. If your input signal is above the threshold, then compression will occur. Once the input level drops below it, the release begins. 0ms release means it will stop compressing instantly; this is generally weird sounding and not very useful, and many compressors don't even allow it. Any longer release is the amount of time it will take to go between "compressing as dictated by other controls" and "not compressing at all". So that's a gradual reduction of the effect until it's not happening any more. This is more transparent to the human ear. Another factor is "Hold". Hold comes before release, and is an amount of time to carry on compressing without starting to release. (NB: can't remember if the Sonitus has hold, not used it for ages).
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 18:14:24
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Bitflipper is also on the money here (as ever).
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 18:45:52
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If the pick noise is at the front transient of the note maybe a gate with a slow enough attack to suppress it that way. Grif
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 20:55:02
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I wish people would refrain from accusatory topic titles when they don't know what they are talking about. I've found that most everything in Sonar does in fact work if you take the time to learn how to use it properly.
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/10 21:56:28
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the compressor doesnt work?will there be an update to fix it?
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/11 02:30:37
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chuckebaby the compressor doesnt work?will there be an update to fix it? There is an update done already. It was not the compressor that was updated tough...
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/11 18:08:35
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Two things that could work... use the cakewalk transient shaper to slow the attack. This may or may not work, but it's a handy tool. Like someone else mentioned, use the multiband comp. Find the frequencies that offend you, and only compress that band. That would be approprate if EQ kills the tone too much during the sustain portion. You can look at the waveform of the bass. If you see a loud attack portion, then compression can work. If nothing sticks out to your eyes, then nothing will stick out for the compressor. If you can't see the peak, neither can Sonitus. I love that compressor...
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/11 19:55:38
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you should really edit the title of this post. It is very misleading.. Maybe change it to How do compressors work?
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Re:The Sonitus Compressor does not work!
2011/06/12 00:35:10
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sykodelic you should really edit the title of this post. It is very misleading.. Maybe change it to How do compressors work? +1
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