jedipunk
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'Never" updated
Made some minor changes. Chnaged the violins a little, but not too mcuh. Added some backing vocals in the chorus and did the mixing and mastering myself. My first song i had a friend Mix and master for me, so I thought i would give it a go with my second song. Let me know what you all think. And I increeased the amplitude of the vocals as other suggested in the previous post. Hope you all enjoy. constructive critisisim, appreciated. Cheers. the link to the song is Never Will also be on Soundclick if you prefer that site, link is below
post edited by jedipunk - 2008/09/03 23:41:46
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robby 
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/03 23:43:11
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love the guitar/synth intro
I like the vocals, but I want to hear them with more "umph", I'm listening through phones. Now don't get me wrong, I like the vocals, they fit, there's just something about them. A little thin somehow? I can tell they are heavily processed.
Also, the bass never really comes in and punches me in the head? Seems like this needs some more ass? Don't we all...
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/04 00:42:28
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This is a very nice song and you did a wonderful job with the vocals. I really liked the lyrics and they do tell a story. The instrumentation was very nice as well. The guitar and synth fit very nicely together. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed the song very much. John  
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jedipunk
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/04 01:23:31
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Thanks for the feedback Robby, Bass may seem a little flat only because i don't have a bass at the moment and I had to use the paino view to add the notes individually, but no excuses though. Ill try and remove some of the processing on the vocals, I don't really know how to make them fuller though. But thanks for the feedback. cheers
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jedipunk
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/04 01:26:22
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Thanks theguitarplayer, cheers. Glad you enjoyed listening.
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robby
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/04 01:50:18
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ORIGINAL: jedipunk
Thanks for the feedback Robby, Bass may seem a little flat only because i don't have a bass at the moment and I had to use the paino view to add the notes individually, but no excuses though. Ill try and remove some of the processing on the vocals, I don't really know how to make them fuller though. But thanks for the feedback. cheers
"I don't really know how to make them fuller though. " Try this; 1; Record the vocal, do it all the way through (the lead) Then lather, rinse, repeat. Do it like 6 times (*at least*) Then go through and pick out phrase my phrase, the best phrasing. Comp it together, (bounce to clips?) 2. Take that comped track and double it. *by cloning it Now you have an "exact copy"... 3. Pan them slightly diffently, i.e., lead vox are down the middle? So take 1 6% left, and the other 6% right? Ok now; 4. Effect them differently. i.e, take the left through a compressor? Take the right through an echo"? Not hard mind you? or? maybe so? Experiment!!! 5. Send them both to a lead vox bus... Add additional procesing as desired :-) Send to the main :-) p.s., put the bus through a tape saturation b4 sending to the main :-) YMMV, but I think you'll be happy. P.P.S Your objective is to fatten the vocal, NOT make it obese... Don't get carried away. Less is more. The "perceived" effect on the master should be subtle, if noticable... :-) Good luck!
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jedipunk
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/04 02:11:33
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ORIGINAL: robby
ORIGINAL: jedipunk
Thanks for the feedback Robby, Bass may seem a little flat only because i don't have a bass at the moment and I had to use the paino view to add the notes individually, but no excuses though. Ill try and remove some of the processing on the vocals, I don't really know how to make them fuller though. But thanks for the feedback. cheers
"I don't really know how to make them fuller though. "
Try this;
1; Record the vocal, do it all the way through (the lead)
Then lather, rinse, repeat. Do it like 6 times (*at least*)
Then go through and pick out phrase my phrase, the best phrasing.
Comp it together, (bounce to clips?)
2. Take that comped track and double it. *by cloning it
Now you have an "exact copy"...
3. Pan them slightly diffently, i.e., lead vox are down the middle? So take 1 6% left, and the other 6% right?
Ok now;
4. Effect them differently. i.e, take the left through a compressor? Take the right through an echo"? Not hard mind you? or? maybe so? Experiment!!!
5. Send them both to a lead vox bus... Add additional procesing as desired :-)
Send to the main :-)
p.s., put the bus through a tape saturation b4 sending to the main :-)
YMMV, but I think you'll be happy.
P.P.S
Your objective is to fatten the vocal, NOT make it obese... Don't get carried away. Less is more. The "perceived" effect on the master should be subtle, if noticable... :-) Good luck!
cheers, thanks for that. The first two steps you have mentioned is what I usually do, and i still have the original vocals without the processing added to it. So Ill have a go at the other steps and see what i can come up with. Thanks again.
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Jonbouy
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 18:53:34
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This turned out a good song,
My nit picking pretty much follows along the lines of what Robby is saying. I'd love to hear some bass on here, but I like your voice and its good to able to hear it.
A catchy tune, and some good licks, it just needs that low end punch.
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 19:02:56
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Jedi
Since you have the Violins in there, why not add some Cellos playing the bass. Cellos will help to mellow out the violins and will add the needed bass.
The piece is definitely getting better.
Ron
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 21:22:50
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Jason, I really like this song. mix and production are well done. I like what you've done with the vox dB. Great lyrics and well performed too.
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 22:25:29
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Well phooey. I can only hear a few seconds of this at a time and I really wanted to hear your new mix. Must be a slow connection tonight, so I'll try again later or tomorrow. I think I could hear those strings playing some quarter notes and the little I heard I liked. I really liked! This is my only crit: for a few measures I heard the strings playing the melody. You might find it adds a bit more interest to have them play harmony. Anyway, I'm looking forward to trying this again! Edit: I just realized you have the link to soundclick and that works fine... Sounds really good! I would probably have more fun with the strings, but it's nice the way it is and I like what you've done so far!
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 22:41:23
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great song jason i really enjoyed it P.S. for vox you can also use a delay of about 10% on one of the cloned tracks for a fuller sound while just comping the original track i myself like the 2 vox tracks to be pannd at least 60% left and right.
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/06 23:06:16
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Jedi, Great song. I agree with Robby though, the vocals could stand to be fuller in the mix, and you've got to find yourself a good bass  Regards, Dan
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/07 00:03:43
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Jedi - this definitely sounds better than the last mix - the vocals are much clearer.
Like some of the others said, it could use some more bass.
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jedipunk
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RE: 'Never" updated
2008/09/07 07:36:42
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cheers thanks for all the feedback. i have also given this to a friend to mix and master, so hopefully he will do a better job than me. There is Bass in the song, just a little too soft in the mix i think, Thnaks all very the comments. Cheers
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