New Audio Interface Suggestions

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2011/06/30 03:07:41 (permalink)

New Audio Interface Suggestions

Hi Guys,
My trusty FW-1884 is finally packing up so I'm in need of a new interface. Basically I need:

8 ins/8 outs
Preferably a breakout box
ADAT Lightpipe
PCI or PCLE

Budget is something like £500 (

Something like the MOTU's look ideal but I've heard lots of rumblings about problems with PC drivers. Likewise I've seen postings of people have problems with Echo 3Gs and X1. I'm running Windows 7 64-bit and X1b 64-bit. I need something that is rock solid with X1. 

Any useful suggestions or people running any of the above with X1?
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    Phonic
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 03:35:59 (permalink)
    I quite like my MOTU 828mk3 but I have had lots of quirkiness like crashes with a tone and the LEDS lit, doesn't happen often, but it does. I've had the drivers spontaneously disappear as well, but a reinstall fixes that. I wonder if I were to use a Texas Instruments chipset firewire card if these problems would go away. People say that the Texas Instruments card is the most compatible or the most to spec, something like that.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 03:58:38 (permalink)
    RME multiace 2-  I am still running the same multiface 1 I bought in 2004 and it is stable as ever and I am on x1 64 bit-  Uses same driver as multiface 2 also.
    post edited by sykodelic - 2011/06/30 04:00:16

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 04:16:40 (permalink)
    Hi all,Focusrite is AWESOME,i'm a Saffire Pro 26\io owner ,low latency, sweet preamps ......perfect.
    Good luck!!


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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 06:02:30 (permalink)
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 06:10:15 (permalink)
    Thank you for the responses thus far. To reiterate, I'm really hoping to move away from Firewire (unless it's 800) as I'm running into bandwidth problems using the Firewire 400 of the Tascam with EWQL Holldywood Strings. Hence the PCI and PCIe ideal.
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 07:41:13 (permalink)
    I have a focusrite usb 6 for my laptop. will eventually get an RME aio for my next main pc, but the problem being the breakout box in your case. Only other sound card brand I'd personally bother with is cakewalks stuff. I have used other brands in the past, and drivers / lack of support made me not buy from them again.

    do you live near a digital village etc , might be worth a visit?

    what are you using the in's / out for ?

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 07:54:03 (permalink)
    just for the record: i have always had problems with TC Electronic's 64 bit drivers.

    isn't Cakewalk's V100 an audio interface too? shouldn't this then run best with X1?!?!?!
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 07:58:26 (permalink)
    If I would replace my Focusrite Pro 40, I probably would take a good look at the Roland Octapro. It's not too expensive, according to reviews it has a low latency and quite good drivers, and is USB...
     
    edit:... Just saw you wanted ADAT... I don't think the Octapro has ADAT.
    post edited by c5_convertible - 2011/06/30 08:13:04
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 08:53:33 (permalink)
    Cakewalk UA-101 ... never gave me any trouble and it's just about awesome.
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:04:20 (permalink)
    I know it's firewire,  but I've no problems with my Presonus FireStudio 2626.

    It has the 8 ins, 8 outs that you want. It has 2 ADAT ports (giving you 24 ins AND outs total) and the preamp quality is way above the price bracket of the unit.


    I don't understand your comment about running out of FW bandwidth using EWQL.  Are you using a firewire HDD for your samples? (on the same FW bus as your audio interface?)

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:11:46 (permalink)
    Can anybody enlighten me about the V100? Isn't this an audio interface with additional transport for Sonar users?
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:28:00 (permalink)
    cyphersuit


    Can anybody enlighten me about the V100? Isn't this an audio interface with additional transport for Sonar users?


    The OP asked for 8 ins/outs.  The V100 is more of a "portastudio" that can also be used as an interface and control surface.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:34:14 (permalink)
    hank you for the responses thus far. To reiterate, I'm really hoping to move away from Firewire (unless it's 800) as I'm running into bandwidth problems using the Firewire 400 of the Tascam with EWQL Holldywood Strings. Hence the PCI and PCIe ideal


    Multiface 2 comes in pci or pcie, has breakoutbox, 8 ins and 8 outs, plus another 8 through adat.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:34:49 (permalink)
    Thank you for the responses thus far. To reiterate, I'm really hoping to move away from Firewire (unless it's 800) as I'm running into bandwidth problems using the Firewire 400 of the Tascam with EWQL Holldywood Strings. Hence the PCI and PCIe ideal.

     
    FWIW, You're not bumping into a Firewire bandwidth issue running Hollywood Strings. 
    You're running into a system performance issue.
    How much RAM is on the machine?
    What CPU are you running?
    Is Hollywood Strings streaming from a SSD or RAID-0 array?  If it's streaming from a single standard HD, that would limit performance.
     
    As an example, you'd be able to run an RME Firewire or USB unit down at 48-sample or 64-sample ASIO buffer sizes without problems (as long as the machine can keep up with the load).
    We've got clients using RME Firewire/USB units with both Hollywood Strings and Hollywood Brass.
    Killer libraries... but you need a lot of speed to effectively use them.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:36:36 (permalink)
    When the time comes I'm thinking RME all the way.
    No one complains about the "sound", and they seem to write the most rock solid drivers...

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/06/30 10:59:16 (permalink)
    +1 for anything RME.

    The multiface could be a good choice for the given price range -- mine is certainly rock solid in Sonar X1. Two things to consider are it has only one headphone output and it lacks built-in preamps -- though maybe your 1884 is still functional enough to use its preamps via the mukltiface's SPDIF or ADAT inputs.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 07:48:25 (permalink)
    Thank you for the interesting discussion.
    Jim, this is partly the result of THIS this discussion I've been having on the Sounds Online hardware forum (I am 'sniffydog' there). The consensus seems to be that the Tascam/the firewire could be my problem. 

    FWIW I am having plenty of other niggling problems with the Tascam since I switched to X1 on my new Win 7/64-bit DAW - takes a restart (of the desk) every morning to get any audio, firewire seems to drop out randoming or stays connected but all audio disappears unless I restart everything.  (and yes, I am using my trusty old TI-chipset PCI card for the firewire)

    None of this is good when you're trying to finish something for a tight deadline.

    Tom, thank you for your brilliant tutorial on setting up the FW-1884 in Windows 7. I read that you had some similar problems. Have you gotten to the bottom of them?

    I guess I was thinking a new interface with more bandwidth might help with the EWQL issue and get me a bit more stability. I could keep using the Tascam as a controller but route the audio through something more reliable.

    Does all that make sense?
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 10:13:37 (permalink)
    I was just tying to point out that the Firewire bus (itself) has plenty of bandwidth.
    (Running 8 channels of I/O is nowhere close to saturating the Firewire 400 bus.)
     
    If you're wanting to sustain heavy loads at the smallest ASIO buffer size, a RME audio interface is a great investment.
     
    Hollywood Strings/Brass are some of the most demanding libraries available...
     
     

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 10:39:25 (permalink)
    Multiface 2 comes in pci or pcie, has breakoutbox, 8 ins and 8 outs, plus another 8 through adat.



    skyodelic,


    Curious. So, the adat ins/outs on the multiface is simply a 'pass thru' ?


    reason I ask:
    I'm also needing an adat pci-e card with adat for my digital mixer. But, am worried about how much longer my digital mixer (DA7) will be alive, so I have to consider what I would do if/when it dies? The multiface might be a good option, to use basically as an adat PCI-e card to my DA7. Then when my DA7 dies, I'd have the ins and outs and preamps of the Multiface. I have been thinking of the HDSP- rme 9632 or 9652 but, for like $200 more for the multiface I'm sort of future proofed. Hmm...


    just sort of thinking out loud here. but, any feedback would be appreciated.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 10:39:28 (permalink)
    woops. duplicate post

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 10:49:04 (permalink)
    Curious. So, the adat ins/outs on the multiface is simply a 'pass thru' ?

     
    They're additional I/O channels.
    They function exactly like the analog I/O channels (aside from not providing A/D D/A).
     
    The Multiface-II is a nice unit... as are the Fireface 400/UC (similar I/O config but with Mic preamps).

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 16:05:25 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 16:23:42 (permalink)
    Emptybe,
    You mention that you are using a TI based PCI card for your fireire

    #1 Did you set the firewire port to "Legacy"? I see you read the tutorial, but again you don't say.
        If you have, check to see that you set the PCI card's port to "Legacy" not just the MB port.

    #2 You are running driver v1.8 for the Tascam?
        I'm running v1.7 in Win 7x32 and it works fine, v1.8 on my x64 DAW.

    #3 X1b which build? X1a caused an issue with the ASIO driver, you had to check "Play Effect Tails" but build 246 seems to have fixed this. I had an issue after installing 246, but re-booting fixed that.

    I'm running at 64 samples (ASIO), but I'm not stressing my machine like you are.

    For what its worth I boot windows then start the Tascam. After setting the port to "Legacy" I haven't had any issues (BSOD's were common for all users before the "Legacy" fix, this came down from RME BTW).

    Feel free to PM or e-mail if you have any specific questions.

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 22:51:09 (permalink)
    I have a Roland Octa-Capture. It is USB2 and is very good. Great frequency response and great drivers. I can run 1.1 ms at 48 samples at 24/44.1. I was recording my bass the other day and used direct monitoring so I could tune my bass. I forgot to turn off DM and with over 30 or more plugs (IK compressor and one Liquid verb), I had no delay! What a great sound card.

    I used to have a E-MU  1616m and could never have done that.

    It has in line compressor with gate that is very good. Reverb for monitoring. I don't like the auto-sens to much but for getting a drum set-up going, it's cool.
     
    Almost forgot. Since getting rid of the E-MU, I've had no BSOD.
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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/01 22:58:13 (permalink)
    I have a Roland Octa-Capture.


    the octa-capture is a great interface but he is after pci or pcie

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    Re:New Audio Interface Suggestions 2011/07/02 01:42:20 (permalink)
    been using echo products since i been using sonar and they have always been absolutely awesome. most people will say the same really. some people get problems, but that happens with any interface according to the pc config and parts, etc.

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