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New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!! http://www.cakewalk.com/products/CA-2A/ Truly the best emulation of Teletronix LA-2 I ever heard so far! You don’t need to demo it just buy it! Run over anything.. I used the old version PC-2A (version 1) and that sound awesome. This new version (version 2.0) sounds even better and even more amazing. Warm, musical truly real analog feel to it. Also the new version 2.0 seems to fix all the old bugs, graphical bug with loading Pro Channel presets with the PC2A included.  Great job Cakewalk!  Best Regards Freddie
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 12:20:32
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Yeah, bought the upgrade earlier today. Figured that was the only way to get the bug fixes for the PC2A.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 12:21:38
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Is it sure that the new CA-2A is different than the PC2A (in another way that being a the VST format) ?
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 12:22:30
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 12:23:54
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Ah, ok.
But is the sound different (i am very happy with the PC2A, and wonder if i upgrade - don't need the VST format) ?
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 12:33:34
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Ah, ok.
But is the sound different (i am very happy with the PC2A, and wonder if i upgrade - don't need the VST format) ?
I notice directly in one minute it sounded even better. More musical and warmer than before. It wasn't bad before either. The version 1 were absolutely stunning emulation too. So if you like the old versio you will love the new version 2.0 even more. In another thread someone had made two mixes. One dump with old PCLA-2 and with new CA-2A after upgrade. It sounded completely different! So yes, it sound different. The upgrade is absolutely worth the 19.99€ 19.99$ even if you just want to use it with Pro Channel. I use the Pro Channel daily too and I hope Cakewalk make and release more new "VST version" and "Pro Channel" emulations of hardware that sounds as good as this one. Love to see a new 1176. DBX, SPL, Daking, SSL, Manley hardware emulations ...
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 14:14:45
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+1 for a DBX emulation for the ProChannel, something like a 160SL would be great!
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 18:49:06
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Just sharing this for those who don't know: the Sonitus Compressor has a preset called something like DBX160 (which BTW is totally my favorite go-to preset for the Sonitus compressor). (Not the same thing as a specific software emulation product, but it is pretty darn close and works really well.) Just thought I'd share for those who haven't played around with it yet. Best, ed
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 20:45:18
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I find it hard to believe it would sound different, but Cake would make no mention whatsoever of improving the sound (or algorithm) of the compressor. That would be a major selling point!!!
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 22:17:48
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Slightly worrying development that you have to pay for known bug fixes here. Yes I know there are enhancements.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/01/31 23:27:40
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I find it hard to believe it would sound different, but Cake would make no mention whatsoever of improving the sound (or algorithm) of the compressor. That would be a major selling point!!!
I think you make a very good point here, and I've done the upgrade just tonight. Obviously it's early in my usage of this plugin, but I do hear a difference in the sound of the upgrade vs. the older plugin. . . . but you're right, Cakewalk do not market it as sounding better, perhaps because it's subjective to each listener. Of course, you can't do a proper A/B comparison, because it basically replaces the old plugin. I did the upgrade because it's one of my favourite Pro Channel plugins, so to me it's worth the $20.00 I'm also hoping it fixes some of the (minor) bugs I've had while using it, and while I don't like the idea of paying for bug fixes, I believe this one is an upgrade of one of Cakewalk's better ideas that I'd like to see more of.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 00:52:47
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I thought it was an update for use as a VST and now includes side chaining ability.
Why would it sound different? No mention of any other form of tweaking with it.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:15:39
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I am completely skeptical about any claims that it sounds better. The ears can be very deceptive, especially when the brain wants to hear something. I can hear voices in running water if I listen to it with voices in mind  If your heart is set on the idea of it sounding better, then chances are it's going to sound better. Of course someone from Cakewalk could settle this once and for all if they wanted to. But I agree with others that if they had improved the emulation audibly, then they would say that they had. Why wouldn't they? It would be a very marketable feature. Nobody's going to put the effort into coding improvements into the sound of a plug and not broadcast the fact. I don't think you can go wrong with a good quality LA-2 emulation, it's a relatively simple design. I have both the ProChannel version and the SoftTube VC-2A version and they both sound fantastic. To be honest though I cannot rate one over the other. Having said that, I think the upgrade is well worth the money for a standalone version that supports side chaining.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:22:57
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I thought it was an update for use as a VST and now includes side chaining ability.
Why would it sound different? No mention of any other form of tweaking with it.
No, its a new version of the plugin. I think the old were at 1.0.1 and the new version is on version 2.0. In the software industry there are certain rules referring to numbers of version upgrade procedures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning Call it 2.0 version means alot new things has been added, a complete overhaul has been done with the software. If it was just add of VST extension and small update fix it would be called 1.2 or something. 
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:27:39
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I doubt it sounds different from first version. And yes, for now it is best LA2A emulation. But in few days, it will be history. UAD LA2A is coming...
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:31:36
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mudgel
I thought it was an update for use as a VST and now includes side chaining ability.
Why would it sound different? No mention of any other form of tweaking with it.
No, its a new version of the plugin. I think the old were at 1.0.1 and the new version is on version 2.0. In the software industry there are certain rules referring to numbers of version upgrade procedures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
Call it 2.0 version means alot new things has been added, a complete overhaul has been done with the software. If it was just add of VST extension and small update fix it would be called 1.2 or something.
But do you really think they would improve the way it sounds and not advertise the fact?
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:38:20
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mudgel
I thought it was an update for use as a VST and now includes side chaining ability.
Why would it sound different? No mention of any other form of tweaking with it.
No, its a new version of the plugin. I think the old were at 1.0.1 and the new version is on version 2.0. In the software industry there are certain rules referring to numbers of version upgrade procedures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
Call it 2.0 version means alot new things has been added, a complete overhaul has been done with the software. If it was just add of VST extension and small update fix it would be called 1.2 or something.
But do you really think they would improve the way it sounds and not advertise the fact?
I can only say to my ears it sounds better, warmer. I think you will notice the same thing if you update...
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:42:07
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:51:04
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:51:31
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The difference of how it sounds in the video between MIX 1 and MIX 2 is that same kind of warm difference I hear on single tracks VS before...
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:54:02
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Here you can hear the difference on the new plugin VS the old one. Gswitz made this video to show the different!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKighyBEmBc&feature=youtu.be
He says in the video: "The settings on the compressor I'm not sure are identical."
What can I say...  I wouldn't say it sounds different if did not. It sounds warmer..even more musical. I can only say it's the best 19.99€ I have spent this year.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 01:57:32
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Here you can hear the difference on the new plugin VS the old one. Gswitz made this video to show the different!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKighyBEmBc&feature=youtu.be
He says in the video: "The settings on the compressor I'm not sure are identical. It sounds a little different."
Old mix vs. New mix. Maybe someone could install 64bit new and compare to 32bit old? and publish a set of bind A/B 24/44.1 WAV files for comparrison. Nah!!! Nevermind.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 02:03:36
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From Cakewalk's point of view though, it just seems like the CA-2A is the same kind of release as the RE-2A, which was the Propellerhead rack version of the PC-2A. There were no claims that this version sounded different. There is another clue here in this KVRaudio post about the CA-2A release by our own Seth: http://www.kvraudio.com/f...iewtopic.php?p=5230566 Note his response to someone who asked if there is a CA-2A demo available: Unfortunately, we don't have a demo for it right now. You can, however, try the Reason Rack Extension version for free if you have Reason. The RE version uses the same modeling and under the hood bits as the CA2A and PC2A.
So I guess that's as close as we have to an official answer right now.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 08:43:10
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Just sharing this for those who don't know: the Sonitus Compressor has a preset called something like DBX160 (which BTW is totally my favorite go-to preset for the Sonitus compressor). (Not the same thing as a specific software emulation product, but it is pretty darn close and works really well.) Just thought I'd share for those who haven't played around with it yet. Best, ed
Thanks for the heads up! Usually I never use the Sonitus FX but it's time to rediscover them. Sounds pretty good!
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 09:02:20
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My guess is that the placebo effect is in force here.
There are some obvious tests that can be done to compare the two (phase invert to see if they null, check the frequency response, check the harmonic distortion) that have just not happened. I'll bet that if that were to happen, you'd find the two versions are identical. As has been pointed out, Cakewalk would advertise it otherwise. Also, there's no "rules" around software versioning that should lead anyone to assume they updated the sound engine. There's lots of plugins I can think of that have gone from one version to another without rewriting the algorithm.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 09:39:45
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It is always fun to guess if Cake has changed things. When SONAR Expanded came out many swore it was less glitchy on their systems tho Cake made no claim of such improvements. Many people that were having problems complained that Cake wanted them to "upgrade" to get rid of the bugs. Cake swore that nothing they baked should have made a difference - it was mostly Cake PC. But obviously something was "better" in expanded, since so many people were having less problems.
So, if you are Cakewalk and you "improve" an already existing product and it could possibly work/sound better (or not), do you want the grief on these boards and out in the aether that you are charging for bug fixes? Cake hasn't claimed that the CA sounds better than the straight PC module. But maybe in making it a VST they did a little internal work, too. Or maybe it just sounds better for some unkown reason. But not enough to justifying a real claim to sound since 4 out of 5 musical dentists can't recommend it. By not claiming better sound they don't get the grief of announcing said improvement but still get the benefit of some claiming it sounds better. Win/win.
Anyway, I like the new (old?) VST faceplate. Sounds better to me.
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 09:45:53
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It's version 2 - with added features, but isn't the algorithms the same? So if I don't need Sidechaining or the VST version, this is not really necessary, roight? Edit to add - Didn't see your post before replying Sharke! Good catch. I think I'll pass and buy me a six pack instead. I have no issues with PC2A
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Re:New CA-2A T-Type! WOW!!!!
2013/02/01 10:31:03
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"I never use the Sonitus FX but it's time to rediscover them"
Yes, the Sonitus are pretty good, even if they are not new and hype (but 64 bits for a while !).
I often use the Delay, the Compressor, and also the Reverb (not so bad, for certain purposes).
And they have been for me very useful for learning, because including all the parameters.
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2013/02/01 10:32:38
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