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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/22 21:11:04 (permalink)

It doesn't switch. You have to manually go into act - Switch the bank and then go back to Sonar. manually.

 
That should not be the case. As I wrote earlier in this thread, you assign a button to the "Next Button Bank" or "Previous Button Bank" (or assign two buttons to both of those functions) using the dropdown menu in the Buttons section (under the Options tab) of the ACT GUI, and when you press one of those buttons, ACT should switch the banks, so that the buttons now have the functions you assigned to the other banks. Make sure you take the check mark out of the box that says "Exclude this button from ACT."
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/22 21:16:14 (permalink)
GTGartner: Obviously, I don't have one of these controllers, but based on how similar many of their features seem to the PCR-800, I would imagine the part you are asking about would similar as well.

On the PCR-800, there are all those transport controls that you have listed as 1-8, but those operate regardless of ACT.  They are not contained within the 8 button bank.  So, I have all the transport buttons + the 8 buttons + the rotaries + the sliders, plus there's a 9th button that is assigned to move from bank to bank (so you don't have to go to the on screen panel to change banks).  The ninth slider is assigned to the master bus (I guess to the first bus that's assigned to a hardware out or something), so there's a main volume control available all the time as well.

Does that help? 

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/23 11:52:32 (permalink)
GTGartner, I have a Studiologic VMK488plus and I have the play stop working too independent of ACT.
I'm serious looking at one of these new controllers to have a nonweighted keyboard on hand.
Was looking at Novation too, but I think these new ones will be a perfect fit for my needs with Sonar.

 

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 11:23:41 (permalink)
The new control surface plugin for the A-Series will allow you to assign the 9 sliders and knobs to be part of ACT or not. All you will have ot do is right click on the control and select include in ACT. Then your WAI (where am I) would have 9 channels in the console not 8. :-)

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 11:56:59 (permalink)
Sweetwater has them listed with prices.Here

Not out of line.



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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 12:05:58 (permalink)
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The new control surface plugin for the A-Series will allow you to assign the 9 sliders and knobs to be part of ACT or not. All you will have ot do is right click on the control and select include in ACT. Then your WAI (where am I) would have 9 channels in the console not 8. :-)

Robin

WOW!!!!!
 
    Cakewalk understood what I've been talking about!!   How great is that?  I've felt like the lone ranger on this one - like I was the only one who understood what I was talking about.
 
9 faders on the NEW ACT Control panel for faders and buttons - great.  
 
A user controlled number of assignments would be fantastic - but I'll take 9 if that's what will available.  
 
 
I suppose the new ACT pluggin will be available when the controllers come out?
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 12:07:01 (permalink)
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Sweetwater has them listed with prices.Here

Not out of line.

Both of my original questions answered in the last two posts - how great is that?
 
Thanks ED.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 13:33:02 (permalink)
I should add a few points.

Custom control surface plugins can have as many controls active as the designer wants. Examples: VS-700, VS-100 and now A-Series. The Generic Control Surface has a limit to 8 at a time but you can bank.

The new A-Series control surface plugin will be available at the time of shipping.  We should have some screen shots for you in the near future.

Pricing at Sweetwater is 100% accurate for the US market. Note-before the thread spirals we do not set or control pricing outside the US for many reasons (including legal reasons). Local pricing is set locally.


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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/27 18:31:26 (permalink)
Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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I should add a few points.

Custom control surface plugins can have as many controls active as the designer wants. Examples: VS-700, VS-100 and now A-Series. The Generic Control Surface has a limit to 8 at a time but you can bank.

The new A-Series control surface plugin will be available at the time of shipping.  We should have some screen shots for you in the near future.

Pricing at Sweetwater is 100% accurate for the US market. Note-before the thread spirals we do not set or control pricing outside the US for many reasons (including legal reasons). Local pricing is set locally.


Robin


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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/29 13:50:05 (permalink)
Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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I should add a few points.

Custom control surface plugins can have as many controls active as the designer wants. Examples: VS-700, VS-100 and now A-Series. The Generic Control Surface has a limit to 8 at a time but you can bank.

The new A-Series control surface plugin will be available at the time of shipping.  We should have some screen shots for you in the near future.

Pricing at Sweetwater is 100% accurate for the US market. Note-before the thread spirals we do not set or control pricing outside the US for many reasons (including legal reasons). Local pricing is set locally.


Robin

Robin hit on something extremely important. "Custom Control Surface".  I've never heard of that.  How does a person like me edit a custom control surface or create one? 
 
Let me know if I'm understanding this or not.  In a "Custtom Control Surface" you won't take up Generic Control Surface buttons?  I'm looking for a Control Surface that I can use in sonar to control 25 different ACT paramaters at once. Not banking.
 
For example:  Play, Record, Rewind, FF, Next Marker, Next Measure..............(25 of them).
 
The VS-700, VS-100 and now A-Series has to somehow AVOID using ACT if all of the buttons on those units work at the same time.
 
Again, I use an Axiom 61. The ACT presets in Sonar only use 8 presets. There must not be anything custom about my Sonar Axiom presets that came with Sonar.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/29 14:01:52 (permalink)
The ACT control surface plugin is a dll and feeds from an xml file. The one that most of you are familiar with is a generic plugin that allows most controls on most hardware to be ACT mapped.

Of course some hardware out there does not fit the "one size fits all" of the plugin. With that said there are ways around limitations like banking. Internally we call this the generic plugin.

A custom control surface plugin requires a new dll  to be built. During the build process the developer can control functionality (which controls to include, exclude, what to allow the user to edit/customize etc) and the user interface.

If you are a developer and want to build a dll then I would direct you to the Product management team.

For clarity-
The XML file has the mappings
The dll has the actual control surface plugin.

Hope that is a little clearer than mud. :-)

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/29 15:42:47 (permalink)
Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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The ACT control surface plugin is a dll and feeds from an xml file. The one that most of you are familiar with is a generic plugin that allows most controls on most hardware to be ACT mapped.

Of course some hardware out there does not fit the "one size fits all" of the plugin. With that said there are ways around limitations like banking. Internally we call this the generic plugin.

A custom control surface plugin requires a new dll  to be built. During the build process the developer can control functionality (which controls to include, exclude, what to allow the user to edit/customize etc) and the user interface.

If you are a developer and want to build a dll then I would direct you to the Product management team.

For clarity-
The XML file has the mappings
The dll has the actual control surface plugin.

Hope that is a little clearer than mud. :-)

Robin
 
I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.
Perfect - Extremely Clear. This was exactly what I was looking for.
 
This is all the more reason for me to get the A-800. I'm sure the .dll and xml files for the Controller will integrate  perfectlly with Sonar seeing that both are produced from the same company.
 
I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.
 
Excellent explanation.
post edited by gtgarner - 2010/01/29 15:45:44
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/29 17:12:10 (permalink)
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Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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The ACT control surface plugin is a dll and feeds from an xml file. The one that most of you are familiar with is a generic plugin that allows most controls on most hardware to be ACT mapped.

Of course some hardware out there does not fit the "one size fits all" of the plugin. With that said there are ways around limitations like banking. Internally we call this the generic plugin.

A custom control surface plugin requires a new dll  to be built. During the build process the developer can control functionality (which controls to include, exclude, what to allow the user to edit/customize etc) and the user interface.

If you are a developer and want to build a dll then I would direct you to the Product management team.

For clarity-
The XML file has the mappings
The dll has the actual control surface plugin.

Hope that is a little clearer than mud. :-)

Robin
 
I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.
Perfect - Extremely Clear. This was exactly what I was looking for.
 
This is all the more reason for me to get the A-800. I'm sure the .dll and xml files for the Controller will integrate  perfectlly with Sonar seeing that both are produced from the same company.
 
I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.
 
Excellent explanation.


Technically speaking, these new controllers (A-Pro) are indeed using ACT, just as the VS-700C uses ACT. It's just that it is using something beyond the Generic ACT controller template. ACT is a pretty flexible spec and can support a wide range of controls and mappings. A custom ACT plugin can use as much of ACT's capability as the designer builds in to it. I guess in short and to be precise, the new A-Pro controllers use more of the ACT spec than the generic ACT controller plugin does.

And FWIW: I'm loving the A-800PRO and the ACT control surface plugin for it is shaping up to be really great with deep customization and control for all functions (not to mention it looks pretty sweet too).

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/29 18:41:52 (permalink)
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gtgarner


Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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The ACT control surface plugin is a dll and feeds from an xml file. The one that most of you are familiar with is a generic plugin that allows most controls on most hardware to be ACT mapped.

Of course some hardware out there does not fit the "one size fits all" of the plugin. With that said there are ways around limitations like banking. Internally we call this the generic plugin.

A custom control surface plugin requires a new dll  to be built. During the build process the developer can control functionality (which controls to include, exclude, what to allow the user to edit/customize etc) and the user interface.

If you are a developer and want to build a dll then I would direct you to the Product management team.

For clarity-
The XML file has the mappings
The dll has the actual control surface plugin.

Hope that is a little clearer than mud. :-)

Robin
 
I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.
Perfect - Extremely Clear. This was exactly what I was looking for.

This is all the more reason for me to get the A-800. I'm sure the .dll and xml files for the Controller will integrate  perfectlly with Sonar seeing that both are produced from the same company.

I knew it -  I knew it -  I  knew it.   I just knew that cakewalks controllers were using something beyond ACT.

Excellent explanation.


Technically speaking, these new controllers (A-Pro) are indeed using ACT, just as the VS-700C uses ACT. It's just that it is using something beyond the Generic ACT controller template. ACT is a pretty flexible spec and can support a wide range of controls and mappings. A custom ACT plugin can use as much of ACT's capability as the designer builds in to it. I guess in short and to be precise, the new A-Pro controllers use more of the ACT spec than the generic ACT controller plugin does.

And FWIW: I'm loving the A-800PRO and the ACT control surface plugin for it is shaping up to be really great with deep customization and control for all functions (not to mention it looks pretty sweet too).

You guys are excellent as usual.   Thanks for setting it straight.  Everything is very clear now.
 
You guys are great. 
 
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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/31 10:52:42 (permalink)
The new A-Series control surface plugin will be available at the time of shipping.  We should have some screen shots for you in the near future

I hate to keep harping on this, but I hope to get an answer:  Will this plugin apply to the PCR-800 series controllers or is it going to be reserved only for the A series?

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Re:New Controllers 2010/01/31 15:43:54 (permalink)
It is designed to work with the A series. Since the products are actually very different even down to the firmware you would not get the same results from the PCR series.

Some controls would work (based on the MIDI Message they send) but it is not guaranteed.

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/09 15:07:14 (permalink)
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+1 for 76-key synth and 88-key weighted options.


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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/14 16:10:27 (permalink)
So how would this A-Series work with plug ins ie, VST and/or third party VST?

From all that talk about ACT, would it work anything like Novation Automap?
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/15 01:16:21 (permalink)
Hi Bakers...
Are these still on time for April in the shops???

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/15 01:58:54 (permalink)
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the only place I can find a price in the USA is at floridamusic.com. A500 is priced at $399 - coming this Spring.

I'm in the market for a new midi controller but if Cakewalk can't deliver faster after all the fanfare I'll just get another M-audio. The product is featured on the web site here BUT NOT AVAILABLE. I hate it when companies do that. It's going to sell in the UK for 209 pounds which seems like a better deal for them than us in the USA.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/15 09:51:25 (permalink)
I'm currently using my XP-30 as a controller (and, honestly, it's set up as basic as possible..I still essentially use k/m for everything and just use the xp-30 for playing parts)
 
I like the idea of controlling several functions from the controller keyboard....
 
A couple things....I'm assuming most people will already have software when they buy these....so it'd be nice to have the option of paying a little less and not having the extra software included. (My opinion, of course)
 
I've also looked at the M-Audio Axiom pro's.... knowing that the new cakewalk boards haven't been released...what do the Axiom Pro users think, one vs the other?
 
Lastly... Im not a keyboard player per se, but like the overall feel of the XP-30.   EXCEPT for the "mod function".  The pitch bender works fine.....but the mod function kind of sucks.  You really have to push that little fella and it just never seemed sensitive enough.
 
I notice that it looks like the same kind of set up on the new "A" boards.  What are people's thoughts on separate mod wheels vs the "all in one" stick?  I've never used a separate mod wheel, but it just seems like it would be better.

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/16 17:10:34 (permalink)
will i be able to use this new controller if i already have a PCR-300?  i would like to be able to use both simultaneously, would that create problems or conflicts?  would both have to be plugged into the computers USB port or can one be plugged into one of the controllers MIDI ports.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/17 08:11:00 (permalink)
MemphisJo - Sweetwater has the 500 for $349.

Ozz, and others wondering about the Pitch/Mod stick:  yes, it snaps back.  I wasn't used to the stick at first, but I like it now that I'm used to it because it gives you 2 ways to modulate sound quickly, that will return to the default sound when done.

There is a workaround for people who don't like their modulation snapping back, or are using synths where modulation is programmed to be something you adjust as you go along:  you can easily map one of your sliders to modulation if you like.  I've been doing it with S9 when I'm playing synths.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/19 19:50:44 (permalink)
One question, since sometimes I use linux (but I am not familiar enought with it), will one of this kb work on linux.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/20 02:30:59 (permalink)
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One question, since sometimes I use linux (but I am not familiar enought with it), will one of this kb work on linux.


I think it works withe the DAW rather than the operating system

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/21 11:16:24 (permalink)
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One question, since sometimes I use linux (but I am not familiar enought with it), will one of this kb work on linux.


I think it works withe the DAW rather than the operating system





So if I also try one, aside Sonar for which seems good, with LMMS, Rosengarden or Muse it will work (?).


That is nice to hear.
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/22 14:14:30 (permalink)
why do these controllers and others come in various number of keys?  are the 49 and 61 versions more suited for the studio or stage and is the 32 key version for DJ's?  why is the 32 key version also more popular?  I'm considering the 61 key version of the A-PRO but will their be a big advantage over the smaller key versions?
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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/22 14:41:59 (permalink)
I'm considering the 61 key version of the A-PRO but will their be a big advantage over the smaller key versions?



None other than you'll have more keys.

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/22 14:52:22 (permalink)
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why do these controllers and others come in various number of keys?  are the 49 and 61 versions more suited for the studio or stage and is the 32 key version for DJ's?  why is the 32 key version also more popular?  I'm considering the 61 key version of the A-PRO but will their be a big advantage over the smaller key versions?


It's all about space and intended use. A 61 key controller gives you greater range especially if you are splitting the keyboard and using two sounds. The lower keys for chording and the higher keys for melodic work with the chords. Many people want an 88 key controller, the full range of a piano, so they can play piano peices without changing octave settings. If you needed a third sound or part you might get a 32 key board for it, thus avoiding changing settings on the base sounds on your other boards. There are a lot more reasons depending on what you're doing. 

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Re:New Controllers 2010/02/23 09:53:47 (permalink)
Crg's got it right.  Also, people who are more interested in getting a transport, some knobs and faders for their desk to use mainly as a control surface will pick up the smaller 32 key version, so it doesn't take up a lot of room.
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