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New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
EDIT 11/4/2013: Note this is an old X1-based thread brought back to life after three years with post #10. F9/F10 have been From/Thru = Now since Cakewalk 1.0 for DOS! I am not about to try to unlearn that habit now after 22 years! And they unbound Ctrl-F9 and Ctrl-F10 from From = Beginning and Thru=End, but then didn't use them for anything else...? Likewise F7/F8 have been Go to From/Thru for as long as I can remember, and I use them all the time to go to the beginning or end of a selected note or clip. Some of these changes are just nutty for oldtimers like me. It's all fixable, of course, by setting custom bindings, but I think there definitely should have been an option to revert X1 to traditional shortcut conventions. I'm trying to keep an open mind to the changes, but some of them are really not working for me. I especially don't understand the shortcut keys that were unbound, and then not re-used for something else (Ctrl-M, and Shift-A are two more). This interface has turned me into Larry, Moe and Curly all rolled into one. 
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 02:23:41
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Some of these changes are just nutty for oldtimers like me. It's all fixable, of course, by setting custom bindings, but I think there definitely should have been an option to revert X1 to traditional shortcut conventions. I'm trying to keep an open mind to the changes, but some of them are really not working for me.
Smart tools my man, c'mon lol
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 02:46:16
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M, and F11 threw me ... for a bit
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 04:36:42
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 Yeah, what would life be without smart tools!
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 11:25:30
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F9/F10 have been From/Thru = Now since Cakewalk 1.0 for DOS! I am not about to try to unlearn that habit now after 22 years! And they unbound Ctrl-F9 and Ctrl-F10 from From = Beginning and Thru=End, but then didn't use them for anything else...? Likewise F7/F8 have been Go to From/Thru for as long as I can remember, Yeah, this is driving me nuts. I'm really, really trying to do things the X1 way. They changed F7 and F8 functions to shift-g and ctrl-g, but they're broken. Try it out, I get all sorts of strange results, including a "search" function that can't find any events! I still haven't found the replacements for F9, F10. I may just have to revert my keybindings back to how things used to be.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 11:33:59
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I used the line tool a lot in Pro Audio 9, I understand from watching a video...they now use a shift key to use the line tool in editing velocity. (Can't remember which key it is) I liked the old way because I could make changes with just the mouse. Now, I have to use both hands. anyway we could get the old line tool back? I'm lazy and just want to use the mouse...
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 11:48:09
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I think the dev kit template they used was for meant day trading.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 12:16:31
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They changed F7 and F8 functions to shift-g and ctrl-g, but they're broken. I checked this out. Shift-G works as expected. Help says Ctrl-G is Now=Thru, but keybindings shows it's Search Next, which is indeed what it does. I just re-bound the old shotcuts, and everything seems fine.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2010/12/13 12:25:57
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I've had F9 and F10 changed to just the numerals 1 and 2 for a very long time. I know I'm gonna have to relearn an awful lot. But it does look like the new keybindings are more intuitive. Heck I don't even use most of the key-bindings because I forget em right after I use them. But this times gonna be different...I swear...this time....you'll see...it's gonna be a brand new bright sunshiney world...with rainbows and lollipops and unicorns!! Lots of unicorns!!
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 09:20:43
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maybe there is also a very intelligent reason we are not aware of why they changed the function of "ctrl+m" to "shift+m" ?
LOL
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 09:33:41
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I have a logitech g110 gaming keyboard that has an extra 12 programable (actually 12 x 3) function keys.
THings I use a lot like "From/Thru" key are the the bottom 2 and "cut/special paste" are the top 2. And the cool thing is I program the same functions for different programs like Sony Vegas and Sibelius. I hate going from one program to the next and have to think differently.
I highly recommend getting a keyboard like this.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 09:43:37
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that surely speeds up the workflow
right now i have a logitech mouse with a few additional buttons that i customoized :-)
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 10:03:59
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 10:11:04
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Three year old thread!
people also buy, read and talk about moby dick - and its from 1851 cheers
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 11:31:03
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Sadly, everything that irritated me about SONAR back in 2010 remains unchanged to this day.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 11:42:27
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Hey, Dave, which things? Maybe we can start a Feature Request campaign on some of them... just don't say colors and efficient use of real estate in the TV. 
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 11:48:18
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i really wonder why you american dudes started calling screenspace "real estate"
that is very weird:
like "i am the daw trump - got 3 times 30" screens real estate "
LOL
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 13:22:58
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When I saw this thread I thought, "He just now figured this out?" Then I realized it's another 'Zombie Thread!" I was PO'd too when I found out that those keys were changed. But I have to admit, I have gotten use to them and now prefer it this way. It improved my workflow. But only after some time. Like 2yrs!!!
post edited by Grem - 2013/11/04 00:19:37
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/03 16:53:33
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I still haven't replaced goto end of clip. How can we do that these days? I don't know what to look for or bind to.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 00:05:38
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In Global Bindings: Go to Thru
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 01:35:21
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are those functions something you use frequently ?
that's all I can come up with.
maybe cakewalk decided it was something not used frequent enough to bind to those keys and those keys were causing problems for other functions or even those same functions.
that's all I got :-)
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 07:46:02
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Chuck - The fact that I still remember, F7-10 says it all as far as I'm concerned. This thread is years old... came back up... and got lots of nods. I use the goto beginning and end of clip buttons to quickly zoom to adjust fades. This can take time on a track that has been heavily split. I know you can set the clip fades for every clip on a track at once, but I need to double check them at least to make sure I haven't cut off sound I want. I use the mark of selection start and selection end so that I can span markers for my selected area. I use ctrl page up and down to move between the markers. Without being able to use a hot keys to set selected area between markers, I end up deleting the markers in the middle which just isn't a good solution. When there are no markers in the middle, I can set selected area with just a click. I do this because I like to ctrl+a to select all tracks, quickly select the region between the markers and then bounce to tracks. @Brundlefly - Thanks!
post edited by gswitz - 2013/11/04 07:57:49
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 13:14:55
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well - since its possible to remap it its ok...
what do i use it for?
since i mainly start tracks with analog drum machines (808, 909 etc) i record my drumloops and then
by selecting start and end of a clip - and using "shift+m" i adapt the time signature of the track to the propietary speed of the loop
(actually i am a declarde NON user of audiosnap, timestrectching or pitchshifting
if the loop of the 808 has a speed of 122,321 than thats the way it has to be as i want to preserve the proprietary essence of my audio recordings :-)
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Re:New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 13:22:51
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well - since its possible to remap it its ok...
One can only agree with this. It is not like these functions cannot be changed/edited to suit. Or have been removed entirely. Seems to be a complaint about not a lot really.
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Re: New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 14:37:28
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EDIT 11/4/2013: Note this is an old X1-based thread brought back to life after three years with post #10.
F9/F10 have been From/Thru = Now since Cakewalk 1.0 for DOS! I am not about to try to unlearn that habit now after 22 years! And they unbound Ctrl-F9 and Ctrl-F10 from From = Beginning and Thru=End, but then didn't use them for anything else...?
Likewise F7/F8 have been Go to From/Thru for as long as I can remember, and I use them all the time to go to the beginning or end of a selected note or clip.
Some of these changes are just nutty for oldtimers like me. It's all fixable, of course, by setting custom bindings, but I think there definitely should have been an option to revert X1 to traditional shortcut conventions. I'm trying to keep an open mind to the changes, but some of them are really not working for me.
I especially don't understand the shortcut keys that were unbound, and then not re-used for something else (Ctrl-M, and Shift-A are two more).
This interface has turned me into Larry, Moe and Curly all rolled into one.
I don't understand what your issue is. Just go into Keybinding and change the hotkeys to whatever you want, then you can have F7, F8, F9 and F10 work the way they always have in X3c. That's the way it's working for me, same as always... JG www.jerrygerber.com
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Re: New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 14:53:08
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Jeez, what do I have to do to get people to read that update before responding.  Note also, I said myself (three years ago) "It's all fixable, of course, by setting custom bindings...".
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Re: New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 17:45:19
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I'm really looking forward to Sonar 8! Is anybody using 64 bit yet?
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Re: New Functions for F7, F8, F9, F10? You Gotta Be Kidding Me...
2013/11/04 17:51:52
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brundlefly
Jeez, what do I have to do to get people to read that update before responding.
Note also, I said myself (three years ago) "It's all fixable, of course, by setting custom bindings...".
Ahhh, sorry, my bad - I did miss that. Was it always in bold? Not that that is an excuse mind. Jeez these zombie threads keep throwing me 
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