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2016/07/21 19:45:38 (permalink)

New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick

Any keyboard players here wearing progressive lenses? Is it something I can get used to over time?
 
It's only been a couple hours since I picked up these new glasses, and I feel seasick. My keyboard looks like it's warped and has waves in it when I move my head. Played a video game on my tablet and everything was warped, rectangles looking like parallelograms and circles like ovals. I've got that nauseous feeling you get from reading in the car.
 
Should I just be patient, or should I get another pair of glasses before my eyes go all googley?


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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/21 20:09:40 (permalink)
I'm certainly no expert (especially since I still have 20/10 eyesight in my 50's), but it sounds to me like they didn't get the areas correct for YOUR eyes.  Maybe the main area needs to be a bit taller so you don't start to see into the next region?

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/21 20:30:42 (permalink)
I've been in the optical business for 20 years. You'll get used to it bit. The key is not to switch back and forth from your old glasses to your new ones. You have to wear them on a constant basis in order for your brain to get acclimated to the new lenses. That said, it took me a month or so to get used to my progressive lenses. So, just be patient with it. Take a bucket with you everywhere. Kidding....
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/21 21:09:16 (permalink)
I've had three sets of "general purpose" varifocals. The first two caused me no problems at all, but the current pair are pretty weird.

It's the usual stuff, parallel lines that aren't, circles not round, warped straight lines. Stepping from a plain floor covering on to tiles is like being drunk unless I check my focus first. Stais need some care, and sometimes I don't see dips or rises in the ground at all.

I also have an "office" set which cover reading distance out to around 15 feet. They're pretty useful because they allow me to focus on e.g. a guitar tuner or a synth panel and still have the distance to use the computer screen. They're fine for DAWs but utterly useless for doing Photoshop/Lightroom work on photographs because, again, straight lines aren't etc.

What helps a great deal is if instead of turning just my eyes to one side I turn my head so the relevant varifocal area for the distance is always in the right place. Makes using a screen three or four feet away very tiring though, because I have to keep moving my head around as I only get a small area that's actually in focus.

So I have a fixed focal length set as well, which I use for quite a lot of computer-related stuff.

Varifocal/progressive lenses are very useful indeed, without them I could focus on the road but not the speedometer or vice-versa, with them both are clear because they fall on dofferent focal zones. They're mot the answer to everything though.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/21 22:29:03 (permalink)

There's always these...

Or these.

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/21 23:58:11 (permalink)
Since I started wearing progressives I can't have it any other way. I love em. Did take some getting used to. But not more than a day or so. Hang in there, you'll acclimate.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 00:06:19 (permalink)
Thanks for the encouragement, everyone. I'll give it at least through the weekend before I panic.
 
I spent an hour at the piano to see if there'd be a problem, but it's hard to tell if it slows me down or decreases my accuracy.
 
I generally play with my eyes closed, anyway. (Much to the consternation of my band's lead singer, who complains I often don't see her giving me a frantic "your solo's over, already!" signal.)


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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 01:02:52 (permalink)
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I generally play with my eyes closed, anyway. (Much to the consternation of my band's lead singer, who complains I often don't see her giving me a frantic "your solo's over, already!" signal.)



All the more reason to keep 'em closed!  LOL!  

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 04:02:29 (permalink)
The only issue I have is when I use the computer. Looking through the bottom of the lenses,tilting my head back gave me a stiff neck. So I have a fixed pair for the computer.

My latest pair of progressives have a wider zone for closeup. More expensive of course buy I find it better.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 04:59:08 (permalink)
In my experience there are inevitable issues with the progressive glasses.
One should have different ones for different purposes - paradox :o/
Now, when it's berry-picking time, one issue is accute:
Hiking in the woods you need to carefully look where you put your feet. The lowest part
of the lenses is for reading, so it won't do. You need to walk pressing your chin against your
chest in order to be able to point the 4-6 feet focus area to where you step. Impossible. Also, the path going up and down every yard makes it even harder. When you kneel down to pick berries, it's a little better.
Driving a car and some tasks at job are the only these progressives are fine for.
 
I still (had them for ten years) can't draw with these progressive glasses on. As Bit described, the drawing gets so skewed it's intolerable. And I have not gotten used to (in many cases) having to move my head instead of my eyes. So, in the woods and gardening, I use cheap +1 or +1.5 glasses, and when drawing, using PC and reading, cheap +2/+2.5 glasses. I have about a dozen of them. For the price of one good pair of progressive glasses you get ten pairs of the cheap, fixed ones. If you get ones with poor lenses, you can afford throwing them away. Of course, you need to have similar sight in both eyes to use the grocery store cheapos.
My wife has used progressives for 40 years, and she still gets seasick/dizzy walking in the woods. And she does have two customized pairs of glasses. She'd need a third pair for the woods.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 07:01:01 (permalink)
Tri-focal here. Couldn't get used to the progressives. My wife loves them...

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 07:40:43 (permalink)
I suppose it may depend on the relative strength and type of the various zones. I have not experienced most of the issues raised here.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 07:51:08 (permalink)
Of course my progressive lenses start at 5/4 at the top, a bit 11/8 in the middle and 15/16 at the bottom with half a dozen keychanges in between.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 08:01:51 (permalink)
I've been wearing varifocals for about 5 years now, didn't have any problems at all adjusting to them, but my wife had to stop wearing hers as she just could not adapt.
 
As time went on, I realised I needed an additional pair for computer/reading work, so the bills keep on going up & up 

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 08:48:14 (permalink)
I'm also on progressives and the newest pair is only a few months old......I occasionally still go through that warped effect that Bit was talking about and hate it too.
 
The new glasses I got have a bigger viewing area than my previous pair, which really was a significant improvement since I spend most of the day on a computer/tilting the head isn't needed now. The glasses have to be positioned on your nose just right for them to really work as advertised, but they never stay in one place.
 
At times, I've even thought about having that Lasik surgery done.......of course, it scares me a little when someone else is going to be altering my eyesight and permanent damage is a possibility.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 09:09:33 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Because I have had 3 surgeries on my right eye, the "progressives" are not any help, and I still see double. I just have 2 prescriptions. One for computer and the other for distance, and that's it. 

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 09:31:57 (permalink)
I noticed new annoyances last night.
 
The first was a feeling of insecurity while walking down stairs. I'd never noticed before, but when I walk down stairs I unconsciously glance down at my feet. These lenses make that impossible without physically moving my head down.
 
The second annoyance was watching TV in bed. My bedroom TV is mounted on a wall, as high up as the ceiling permits. This allows me to watch from a reclining position. Or at least, it used to. The only way I could bring the screen into focus was to either drop the glasses below my nose or stack up four pillows.
 
Third annoyance is reading/typing on the laptop. The screen appears to be curved, and any text I'm not looking directly at is indecipherable. Tablets and phones are an issue, too.
 
Sounds like I need more than one pair of glasses. One for watching TV. One for playing piano. One for walking down stairs and walking in general. One for the computer. One for driving. I haven't tried soldering yet but I suspect that will be a challenge, too.
 
But for everything else, these new glasses will do just fine. Important activities such as listening to music in the dark will not be impacted.


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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 10:05:15 (permalink)
my new glasses do the same thing.  I have 1 set of new glasses which are far vision only and one set of progressives which are for computer distance and reading.  my computer/reading glasses distort the area like you're describing, especially on the edges and bottom.
 
I could not get used to the progressives for far vision and reading.  I tried them for 3 years and just could not seem to get my brain to use them correctly.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 10:22:20 (permalink)
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Third annoyance is reading/typing on the laptop. The screen appears to be curved, and any text I'm not looking directly at is indecipherable. Tablets and phones are an issue, too.

Could be that the close up band is too narrow. I always thought they were just graduated from top to bottom but the reading part is just in the center of the bottom. This time I was shown a diagram and offered a choice of three widths, the wider the close zone more expensive (Naturally!). I splashed out on the widest as there was a deal that offered a second pair of basic ones in the price. They are an improvment, I do find I have to move my head from side to side less when looking at things close up. 



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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 10:46:38 (permalink)
Once your prescription is right...I highly recommend www.zenni.com 
They have some of the best frames and lenses at really incredible prices.  All made in China...natch...but all done extremely well.  As an example I paid over $400 smackers for my frames and lenses at my Eye doctor's shop...all top notch (RayBan Clubmasters with Progressive no line Transitional lenses...the ones that darken in the sun).  Basically the same at Zenni would be about $100 bucks.  I actually had no backup glasses at all until my buddy hipped me to Zenni.  Check em out if you're in the market for some new specs or just need a backup pair.  
 

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 10:58:11 (permalink)
It's amazing how quickly your eyes get used to stuff like this. A few years ago I got me some glasses after having worn nothing but contacts for 20 years. They were those new fangled super-thin lenses. However they have barrel distortion like crazy around the sides, as well as some very noticeable chromatic aberration. The overall effect if I looked anywhere but straight ahead was that I seemed to be in some kind of strong LSD trip. Every time I had to look down or to the side I felt like I was going to fall over. I actually felt like they were a threat to my safety when crossing the road etc and so I took them back. The optician just said relax and give them a couple of days. A couple of days later everything looked perfectly normal and I didn't notice any of the weirdness at all. 

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 11:17:10 (permalink)
Thanks, ol' pal. I got these at Costco, $220 with tax. I thought that was a pretty good deal, as I was expecting it to be $400+. I'll definitely check out zenni.com.
 
My eyes have always been over-sensitive to bright light (see my avatar). So I got the auto-darken option. Still deciding whether that was a good choice. They don't get dark enough to not need sunglasses when driving, but I'm hoping they'll help with stage lighting. I think it looks cheesy to wear sunglasses on stage, although I've long been tempted to because I am blinded by stage lights. On the bright side, I never know whether there's an audience out there or not.


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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 11:47:17 (permalink)
I play piano better when I tune the audience out. I think you will get used to your glasses, and learn over time to appreciate the quirky limitations they will impose upon you.
 
For close-up work (berry picking as an example) I take 'em off, fold them and hang them off of the neck of my t-shirt. Or drop them down to the end of your nose. Both very fashionable to be sure. All the kids are doing it.
 

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 12:00:16 (permalink)
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Once your prescription is right...I highly recommend www.zenni.com 
They have some of the best frames and lenses at really incredible prices.  All made in China...natch...but all done extremely well.  As an example I paid over $400 smackers for my frames and lenses at my Eye doctor's shop...all top notch (RayBan Clubmasters with Progressive no line Transitional lenses...the ones that darken in the sun).  Basically the same at Zenni would be about $100 bucks.  I actually had no backup glasses at all until my buddy hipped me to Zenni.  Check em out if you're in the market for some new specs or just need a backup pair.  
 




I am going to have to check this out Ol' Pal.  I just paid close to $700 for a pair of top of the line glasses from Lens Crafters.  I could use a back up, set.  

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 12:11:19 (permalink)
I have been wearing progressive lenses for the last 10 years.  The first pair that I got, 10 years ago, I had many of the same issues that you are having Dave.  I went for a very narrow pair of the no frame style glasses.  I discovered pretty quickly that there just wasn't enough room for the "progressive" part to do its transitional, thing.  I now, 10 years later, have probably gone through 5 different pair of glasses, each time with them getting better and better.  I am now wearing a large pair of "Clapton-like" plastics that have pretty good height to the lenses.  I went for the best lenses and optics that I could get.  The "sweet spot" on this pair, are very wide and full range.  They are excellent.  
 
It still takes a little while to get used to them, however.  It took at least a week for my eyes to fully adjust from a pair that were very similar, to the new pair.  You do have to learn to move your head, other than just your eyes.  The part that still bothers me the most about Progressive Lenses, is having to tilt my head back to view the computer screen.  I have had to adjust my monitors to be as low as the stands will allow and slightly tilted back to get a more usable angle.  Other than that, my vision is excellent and I almost forget that I am wearing them from time to time.   
 

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 13:01:54 (permalink)
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I think it looks cheesy to wear sunglasses on stage, although I've long been tempted to because I am blinded by stage lights. On the bright side, I never know whether there's an audience out there or not.




Keyboard players and saxophone blow monkeys are completely allowed to wear shades on stage Dave. 

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 13:28:03 (permalink)
I tried them once, but after sitting behind a W shaped keyboard controller, shifting stairs, the dash of my car float around the bottom edge of my vision, all giving me an over whelming feeling of being about to puke, I gave up.  I now have three pairs of specs, Normal, Reading and studio.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 13:54:06 (permalink)
Have any of you ever tried to simply fix your eyes yourself?  They are muscles that need to be exercised and glasses are actually detrimental (your eyes get lazy and start to rely on them making them even worse).  Both of my parents required glasses at an early age but I had read about ways to strengthen your eyes and tried that instead.  Besides some simple exercises you can do, I also have glasses with pin holes in them that force you to really focus to see through them making your eyes stronger.  Between all of this I still have 20/10 vision when I'm not tired (and I'm in my 50's now!).  Too much staring at my monitor (something I've done since monitors first came out) and reading those extremely fine prints in tech. books can make my eyes tired and blurry, so I'll sometimes wear a set of cheap reading glasses if I have to continue (very rare) but, even there, a little break and a couple of exercises helps a lot.
 
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This girl has the right idea.  Not exactly sure where the number 36 comes from, but I've used all of these exercises before.  The first one feels great on your eyes when they're stressed and tired (when I was taught it originally we always used to say "Ahhhhhhhh..." while covering our eyes - heh).  Give them a try, you should be able to tell that they can't hurt ya.
 
I also have a little rectangular eye covering (made by a friend's wife) that's soft fabric filled with little beads and softly scented with lavender.  Lay back and put it over your eyes for a few minutes and they work magic.

 
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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 15:02:25 (permalink)
bitflipperSounds like I need more than one pair of glasses. One for watching TV. One for playing piano. One for walking down stairs and walking in general. One for the computer. One for driving. I haven't tried soldering yet but I suspect that will be a challenge, too.
 
But for everything else, these new glasses will do just fine. Important activities such as listening to music in the dark will not be impacted.


All of this is why I use three pairs of glasses. And sometimes no pair is ideal or the optimum pair isn't with me. I'm 55 and got to age 47 without needing glasses and I found the transition to using glasses pretty difficult and frustrating. Sometimes it still is.

Age related focal shift isn't always negative though. At age 46ish my wife found she can read without glasses for the first time since she was six.

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Re: New Glasses - They're Making Me Carsick 2016/07/22 16:20:56 (permalink)
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Have any of you ever tried to simply fix your eyes yourself?  They are muscles that need to be exercised and glasses are actually detrimental (your eyes get lazy and start to rely on them making them even worse).  



I wish that I would have tried that when I was 46 when just started needing glasses.  I wore none at all until I was 46.  My distance is still really good and I do not require glasses to drive.  What I can't see is the dash board.  Pretty much everything within 20 feet of me is now blurry.  For me, I simply would not be able to function or do my job with out some sort of glasses.  Going glasses full time was much easier than constantly putting them on and taking them off.  
 
Next, I have to deal with some hearing loss.  

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