waltowen
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New Monthly fees for sonar
I for one think monthly fees is the deal stopper..Cakewalk has gone to far trying to increase revenue. I can switch daws on a whim. Where does it stop.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 05:08:49
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 05:19:53
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waltowen
I for one think monthly fees is the deal stopper..Cakewalk has gone to far trying to increase revenue. I can switch daws on a whim. Where does it stop.
Then don't pay monthly. Just pay up front as you've always done and everything will be as before (but better) .. You really should read more about what this new approach really is about.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 09:10:56
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Loptec
waltowen
I for one think monthly fees is the deal stopper..Cakewalk has gone to far trying to increase revenue. I can switch daws on a whim. Where does it stop.
Then don't pay monthly. Just pay up front as you've always done and everything will be as before (but better) .. You really should read more about what this new approach really is about.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:07:41
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waltowen
I for one think monthly fees is the deal stopper..Cakewalk has gone to far trying to increase revenue. I can switch daws on a whim. Where does it stop.
CW is giving us the choice to pay up front for Sonar or pay on time also known as credit. What you are saying is untrue and is not based on the facts.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:35:28
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dcumpian
Loptec
waltowen
I for one think monthly fees is the deal stopper..Cakewalk has gone to far trying to increase revenue. I can switch daws on a whim. Where does it stop.
Then don't pay monthly. Just pay up front as you've always done and everything will be as before (but better) .. You really should read more about what this new approach really is about.
Yep!
Regards,
Dan
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:47:32
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/01/16 11:19:58
Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ? A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for. Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:50:15
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Paul P
Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ?
A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for.
Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
where have you been, I'm running X3"E" Not A and it was free....
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:52:44
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You paid for X3 though didn't you????????
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 10:58:35
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Andrasin
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Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ?
A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for.
Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
where have you been, I'm running X3"E" Not A and it was free....
X3"E" was not free, nor were the A, B, C or D patches. In order to get X3e you had to have paid for X3 at some point, which included a cost for "patches".
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:02:13
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Bristol_Jonesey
You paid for X3 though didn't you????????
Yes, $150 for pro.... :) ONE payment, and I didn't have to join anything to get the patch. You guy's can twist logic and truth all you want but it is what it is. This just shows "intelligent" people how "smart" ;) Cakewalk THINKS their costumers are... Frankly speaking anyone who believes this spin... well By all means go for it! there's one born every minuet...
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:04:47
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Karyn
Andrasin
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Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ?
A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for.
Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
where have you been, I'm running X3"E" Not A and it was free....
X3"E" was not free, nor were the A, B, C or D patches. In order to get X3e you had to have paid for X3 at some point, which included a cost for "patches".
WOW! you want to join a cult? oh never mind, you already did.... And if I paid for the patches in the 1st place as you just said..... why is cakewalk changing how they do it.... HUM.... TO MAKE MORE MONEY.... And if they are MAKING MORE MONEY.....WHEN DOES IT COME FORM?
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:06:24
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Andrasin
Bristol_Jonesey
You paid for X3 though didn't you????????
Yes, $150 for pro.... :) ONE payment, and I didn't have to join anything to get the patch.
You guy's can twist logic and truth all you want but it is what it is.
and you can make ONE payment of $149 now and get the equivalent of the next TWO versions... X4, which is already written and being released, and X5 which would have been due about this time next year... You're absolutely right, it is what it is. It's just not what you're describing.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:07:57
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Andrasin
WOW! you want to join a cult? oh never mind, you already did....
Be careful, you're stepping close to the troll line... You don't want to cross it..
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:08:42
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Andrasin
Bristol_Jonesey
You paid for X3 though didn't you????????
Yes, $150 for pro.... :) ONE payment, and I didn't have to join anything to get the patch.
You guy's can twist logic and truth all you want but it is what it is.
This just shows "intelligent" people how "smart" ;) Cakewalk THINKS their costumers are...
Frankly speaking anyone who believes this spin... well By all means go for it!
there's one born every minuet...
You're a troll right? You have to be.. Sad otherwise..
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:15:30
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Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
Please explain. That makes no sense. Are you thinking that after you pay up fron $150 (same as before) update X3 pro to SONAR platinum, that you *also* have to pay a monthly fee? That's just incorrect. There is no further charge (and SONAR platinum upgrade you buy for $150 never "stops" working) If you pay the $150 you the the upgrade and you get "free" updates etc for a year.
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Andrasin
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:15:43
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Karyn
Andrasin
Bristol_Jonesey
You paid for X3 though didn't you????????
Yes, $150 for pro.... :) ONE payment, and I didn't have to join anything to get the patch.
You guy's can twist logic and truth all you want but it is what it is.
and you can make ONE payment of $149 now and get the equivalent of the next TWO versions... X4, which is already written and being released, and X5 which would have been due about this time next year...
You're absolutely right, it is what it is. It's just not what you're describing.
Well MORE people know the truth but they don't hang here. they are using there DAW right now... I'm only here for a whisper to work out some bugs... If you look to the left.... notice most of the people who don't agree with you are newer.... hum..... yes! the new and soon to be X customers...
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:18:47
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Andrasin
Karyn
Andrasin
Paul P
Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ?
A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for.
Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
where have you been, I'm running X3"E" Not A and it was free....
X3"E" was not free, nor were the A, B, C or D patches. In order to get X3e you had to have paid for X3 at some point, which included a cost for "patches".
WOW! you want to join a cult? oh never mind, you already did....
And if I paid for the patches in the 1st place as you just said..... why is cakewalk changing how they do it.... HUM.... TO MAKE MORE MONEY.... And if they are MAKING MORE MONEY.....WHEN DOES IT COME FORM?
From the end users view nothing has changed except they are allowing users to pay monthly instead of having to pay up front. If you pay either up front the full amount or opt for the monthly plan you get all the patches and fixes. There is no extra payment being charged.
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Andrasin
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:20:46
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cityrat
Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
Please explain. That makes no sense.
Are you thinking that after you pay up fron $150 (same as before) update X3 pro to SONAR platinum, that you *also* have to pay a monthly fee? That's just incorrect. There is no further charge (and SONAR platinum upgrade you buy for $150 never "stops" working) If you pay the $150 you the the upgrade and you get "free" updates etc for a year.
people here including cakewalk people say you have to be a member to get the updates including bug fixes. AND now you need to understand.... where does it say you DON'T have to pay for them? and most everyone who is asking... gets the runaround answer NON answer.....
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:23:35
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Andrasin
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Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
Please explain. That makes no sense.
Are you thinking that after you pay up fron $150 (same as before) update X3 pro to SONAR platinum, that you *also* have to pay a monthly fee? That's just incorrect. There is no further charge (and SONAR platinum upgrade you buy for $150 never "stops" working) If you pay the $150 you the the upgrade and you get "free" updates etc for a year.
people here including cakewalk people say you have to be a member to get the updates including bug fixes.
AND now you need to understand.... where does it say you DON'T have to pay for them? and most everyone who is asking... gets the runaround answer NON answer.....
Perhaps you missed the part about becoming a member when you buy it or make your first payment. This is automatic and does not incur new charges,
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Andrasin
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:25:21
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look at it this way.... Cakewalk has your cash.... has cakewalk put out bad DAW versions or versions that you skipped because they had nothing new to offer? Well now you pay before you know if it's bad or you don't needed... oh and you now pay for bug patches...
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:28:52
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☄ Helpfulby Loptec 2015/01/16 11:40:53
Andrasin
look at it this way.... Cakewalk has your cash.... has cakewalk put out bad DAW versions or versions that you skipped because they had nothing new to offer? Well now you pay before you know if it's bad or you don't needed... oh and you now pay for bug patches...
We've banned this person multiple times and he keeps coming back because he has an agenda. Please ignore him. He is trying to get a rise out of everyone.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:29:58
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Andrasin
oh and you now pay for bug patches...
You keep repeating that like it's something new, but the cost of bug patches has always been built into the cost of the software, just as it is now. You're stepping closer to the line... don't step over it..
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Andrasin
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:30:18
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John
Andrasin
Karyn
Andrasin
Paul P
Andrasin
That's right! BUT now you get to pay for bug patches... :)
We've always had to pay for bug patches. Where have you been ?
A version (at least recently) has been an initial release followed by one or more quick patches to fix the showstoppers that appeared once everyone was using the product. Then that was it. No more bug fixes until the next version, which you had to pay for.
Now, hopefully, bugs will get fixed all year long. But you'll still have to pay for them after your 12 months are up.
where have you been, I'm running X3"E" Not A and it was free....
X3"E" was not free, nor were the A, B, C or D patches. In order to get X3e you had to have paid for X3 at some point, which included a cost for "patches".
WOW! you want to join a cult? oh never mind, you already did....
And if I paid for the patches in the 1st place as you just said..... why is cakewalk changing how they do it.... HUM.... TO MAKE MORE MONEY.... And if they are MAKING MORE MONEY.....WHEN DOES IT COME FORM?
From the end users view nothing has changed except they are allowing users to pay monthly instead of having to pay up front. If you pay either up front the full amount or opt for the monthly plan you get all the patches and fixes. There is no extra payment being charged.
Hello John.... so where does it say and how is it determined when the last patch is free or paid for.... I'm still waiting for the NEXT patch for X3... And I'm not buying anything more from Cakewalk until you stand behind the DAW I have now.... after I got X3e pro... I found bugs, I saw your list of bugs still in X3... where is the patch?
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:31:50
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Wow that is sad. To post for no good reason except to cause confusion is so sad to me.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:35:20
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☄ Helpfulby Loptec 2015/01/16 11:40:44
Yeah I don't get it either. He spent the other night creating new email addresses, resetting his IP, creating new Cakewalk accounts, basically just to mess with me and Cakewalk.
I'd love to have an honest conversation with the guy but he doesn't actually communicate with anyone. Only way to really combat it is to ignore him.
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azslow3
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:54:21
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Andrasin
people here including cakewalk people say you have to be a member to get the updates including bug fixes.
AND now you need to understand.... where does it say you DON'T have to pay for them? and most everyone who is asking... gets the runaround answer NON answer.....
One more attempt (I also could not understand it right from the beginning, so slow down): there is NO increase in the price, Cakewalk now promise to DELIVER MORE for the same money as before (for whatever reason). But they have managed to describe it in such words (for whatever reason) that many people get it wrong. My variation of what is going on: 1) there is a new version, with new features (published) and bug fixes (the list is not yet published). So, as it was before. 2) you can get it with one payment (the price is as before, from distributor even cheaper right at the beginning...) 3) you can get it in "credit" with 12 monthly payment and a possibility to cancel each month, in case you "cancel" you should "return" the product back (that is new, but not forced option!) 4) either with (2) or with (3) (till you cancel) you get bug fixes during 12 month for free (as before) 5) you also get all new features they developed next 12 month for free (that is new) About words "membership" and "subscription": just ignore them... About the statement "you get no bug fixes for free!": you get, 12 months long, as it was before. About the statement "you get 2 versions for the price of one!": no, you get one version with 12 month support and the next "as is", without support. Just think of new TV is sent to you for free one day the guarantee is expired... And you can keep the old one! I hope that angle can help someone to cool down 
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 11:55:56
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Andrasin
people here including cakewalk people say you have to be a member to get the updates including bug fixes. AND now you need to understand.... where does it say you DON'T have to pay for them? and most everyone who is asking... gets the runaround answer NON answer..... Look, I realize you're a troll, have already re-registered under different names so you can carry on whatever weird agenda you have, and have expressed not even the slightest interest in finding out what you can do to overcome whatever problems you have with SONAR and enjoy the same level of performance as other users. Nonetheless, here's your answer. Again. Read the following, and try your hardest to understand the concept of "pricing" and how pricing is determined. If you continue to have difficulty with these kinds of concepts, help is available. - You have NOT received free bug fixes in the past from ANY company that charges money for their software.
- You are NOT receiving free bug fixes in the present from ANY company that charges money for their software.
- You will NOT receive free bug fixes in the future from ANY company that charges money for their software.
This is because bug fixes cost money in terms of development time (they do not write themselves) and deployment. Therefore the cost of bug fixes is factored into the cost of software. Got it yet? When you buy a membership, you receive a bunch of things. Bug fixes are included in that. If you want, since you enjoy twisting things in a way that is disingenuous at best and actionable at worst, you can say that REALLY, what's happening is Cakewalk is charging $150 for bug fixes and just throwing the rest of the stuff in free!! Wow, what bad people!!! You have to pay $150 for bug fixes!!!! Or you can say that Cakewalk is charging $150 for new features and bug fixes are free. Wow, what nice people!! Bug fixes are free!!! Wheee!!! Both are ridiculous to anyone who has a clue about how reality works, and recognizes that bug fixes are one of many expenses in software production factored into product pricing. I simply cannot dumb this down any further so if you still don't get it, I think the community would be partial to taking up a collection and buying you a different DAW so you can continue making a fool of yourself on some other forum.
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Re: New Monthly fees for sonar
2015/01/16 12:00:08
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azslow3, I have seen many of your posts and you are obviously a smart guy. You do not need to spend your time trying to explain anything to [current user name of troll, since it changes]. He does not want to understand. Ryan is right, just ignore him. He's not worth your time.
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