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2011/08/12 10:39:02 (permalink)

New NI Studio Drummer

Anyone listen to those samples? There are a couple of tracks that sound great.
Seeing that I already own Steve Slate for Kontact, AD, and SD 2.0, and of course Session Drummer, I should be satisfied already.

But, no!

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 11:10:48 (permalink)
    I listened to the demos, and, like most NI demos, they sound great.

    They're a bit late to the game, though, and you have to wonder if the marketplace is really screaming for yet another drum sampler.


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 11:54:58 (permalink)
    Half of Komplete is a bit late. They are playing catch up on half the plug-ins and people already own alternatives. How many basses, drums, synths, pianos, etc do you need?

    Best not answer that because it seems we need loads of everything. There's a sort of unwritten rule that you just keep buying if you have any cash whatsoever.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 11:56:21 (permalink)
    NI already has Abbey Road, Battery and Maschine so I find it odd they are coming out with yet another one.

    I guess they are out to get a portion of the Toontrack / Additive market share since that is what this seems to be most similar to, but I always thought what was what Abbey Road was doing?

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 12:15:27 (permalink)
    IMHO, Nothing to write home about. As good as the rest, not better, not worst. They probably count on the integrated SSL emulation to attract potential buyers. Wouldn't be surprised if they had once again relied on a third party developer to take care of the DSP.

    How in the world did NI went from being revolutionary developers to this? 
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 12:30:11 (permalink)
    yawn.  another drum sampler.

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 13:10:17 (permalink)
    Beagle


    yawn.  another drum sampler.

    That Bapu will probably own as part of Komplete 8.... sigh.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 13:25:13 (permalink)
    Can you have too many drums??

    PS:  Hey Strike, ol pal.  How's yor momma and them?  Great ta see ya.

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 15:23:00 (permalink)
    Cheers yorolpal (and Mesh on the other thread)

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 15:32:15 (permalink)
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    Cheers yorolpal (and Mesh on the other thread)

    I'm still wearing the long sleeved jacket with fashionable back buckles.

    How's X1 treating you? I've not made the move.


    That's totally an open ended question......but, I like it!!

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 16:35:41 (permalink)
    Wow strikingly, haven't seen you in a while! Welcome back!


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 16:42:02 (permalink)
    Cheers windsurfer.

    How's the plug-in buying and selling going?
    I've stopped buying for a while - well apart from the odd no-brainer.
    I think I've got all my sounds covered - famous last words.

    I'd love to up my PC specs - maybe next year.

    I noticed you got Geist. Tempting as I really like Guru.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 16:49:23 (permalink)
    128 samples per hit yet?

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 17:15:47 (permalink)
    Actually I've been slimming down a bit!

    Lately I've sold my AAS Total bundle (never really used it)
    Sold Alchemy and my expansion packs (never really used it, or had time to dig into it)
    Sold Izotope Alloy and Nectar - I've gotten away from presets and don't really use them anymore

    Currently I've been using the Fabfilter products (amazing!)
    Geist is one of the best purchases I've made recently! It is fast and the quality of what you can accomplish is awesome, unless I'm looking to do realistic acoustic drums I'm using Geist.. definitely worthwhile! 
    I also got DCAM synthsquad, another really good purchase! 

    So I didn't really spend any money just traded in a bunch of products and replaced them with fewer better products haha.

    I'm getting married in October so I have to be a little more conscientious about my spending, but it's good in a way because I make decisions more on what I need and less on what I would like or think would be cool (and not really use). 

    After the whole Kore 2 fiasco with NI I've been thinking about alternatives and hardware so in terms of what I have my eyes on next, I'd like to get a DSI Mopho keyboard/Tetra, 
    I'd really like to get EWQL Complete composers edition (and stop spending $ on NI for a while)
    and the other thing I'd like to grab is BFD 2, as I'm really impressed with FXpansion lately.

    So that's my plan for the next little while, (some of that I'm going to ask for my bday & Christmas)

    Good to see you back on the forums! (hopefully not to the detriment of your musical productivity :) )


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 17:28:56 (permalink)
    I'm happy to say that I'm not jonesing for anything lately.  A year ago I was grabbing pretty much everything that had a group buy or a sale price.

    I finally feel that I have enough drums at least for the near future.  Between Session Drummer, Steven Slate, EZD, Superior Drummer 2, a Sonic Reality group buy, Battery, the package from NI that came with Komplete 7 and I'm sure another one or two I'm forgetting...I can finally put my wallet away. (Of course, never say never ;)  )

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 18:49:19 (permalink)
    Same here, he said, just walking out of IK's Custom Shop w/a bunch of cabs. ;) I'm almost done. 

    I've been evaluating CSR as I remember liking it a lot, and this was something I had my eyes on for a while, but it seems like it didn't really evolve w/ time. It's still good but I tested it against my Valhalla reverb which cost me $50, and even w/ the current promo, I can't hear anything in CSR that really justifies me spending $170 on another reverb, even if it'd also get me yet another bunch of freebies. 

    I guess I'll be glad to just add a stompbox or a cabinet to my rig every now and then for a while.

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 19:15:22 (permalink)
    Yup...The FabFilter stuff is...well...FAB!!  Couldn't agree more windsurfer, ol pal.

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 19:42:46 (permalink)
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    Actually I've been slimming down a bit!

    Lately I've sold my AAS Total bundle (never really used it)
    Sold Alchemy and my expansion packs (never really used it, or had time to dig into it)
    Sold Izotope Alloy and Nectar - I've gotten away from presets and don't really use them anymore

    Currently I've been using the Fabfilter products (amazing!)
    Geist is one of the best purchases I've made recently! It is fast and the quality of what you can accomplish is awesome, unless I'm looking to do realistic acoustic drums I'm using Geist.. definitely worthwhile! 
    I also got DCAM synthsquad, another really good purchase! 

    So I didn't really spend any money just traded in a bunch of products and replaced them with fewer better products haha.

    I'm getting married in October so I have to be a little more conscientious about my spending, but it's good in a way because I make decisions more on what I need and less on what I would like or think would be cool (and not really use). 

    After the whole Kore 2 fiasco with NI I've been thinking about alternatives and hardware so in terms of what I have my eyes on next, I'd like to get a DSI Mopho keyboard/Tetra, 
    I'd really like to get EWQL Complete composers edition (and stop spending $ on NI for a while)
    and the other thing I'd like to grab is BFD 2, as I'm really impressed with FXpansion lately.

    So that's my plan for the next little while, (some of that I'm going to ask for my bday & Christmas)

    Good to see you back on the forums! (hopefully not to the detriment of your musical productivity :) )
     
     
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 19:47:46 (permalink)
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    Same here, he said, just walking out of IK's Custom Shop w/a bunch of cabs. ;) I'm almost done. 

    I've been evaluating CSR as I remember liking it a lot, and this was something I had my eyes on for a while, but it seems like it didn't really evolve w/ time. It's still good but I tested it against my Valhalla reverb which cost me $50, and even w/ the current promo, I can't hear anything in CSR that really justifies me spending $170 on another reverb, even if it'd also get me yet another bunch of freebies. 

    I guess I'll be glad to just add a stompbox or a cabinet to my rig every now and then for a while.

     
      I ended up at the same place. CSR is an unnesscary luxury right now,however guitar cabs are the highest priority.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 20:26:10 (permalink)
    Can you have too many drums??

    A rhetorical question, perhaps?
    I figured you'd already have downloaded it by now.


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/12 20:40:19 (permalink)
    BTW, the new Studio Drummer library does not work with Kontakt 4. You have to upgrade to Kontakt 5 to use it. Now we know the real reason for this drum lib.


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 05:57:55 (permalink)
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    NI already has Abbey Road, Battery and Maschine so I find it odd they are coming out with yet another one.

    I guess they are out to get a portion of the Toontrack / Additive market share since that is what this seems to be most similar to, but I always thought what was what Abbey Road was doing?
     
     
    Personally,I thought that the Abbey Road Drums were crap - no real dynamics at all   
     
    NI are getting ready to axe Battery,so the're warming us up to that one with Studio Drummer....Read the blurb for SD and then read between the lines...
     
    Of course,there will be all sorts of add on packs and extra dooh dahs for SD along the way 
     
    I like the way you can "mangle" the sound in Battery....It's a great program and I like the way it works...
     
    There's probably a few good things about SD,but it's going to take something a little more serious than that to knock Superior Drummer 2 and the SDX's off my throne   
      
      
      
      

     
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 06:05:26 (permalink)
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    How in the world did NI went from being revolutionary developers to this? 


    Pure and unadulterated greed   
    post edited by digitalboy - 2011/08/13 06:18:44

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 09:22:23 (permalink)
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    BTW, the new Studio Drummer library does not work with Kontakt 4. You have to upgrade to Kontakt 5 to use it. Now we know the real reason for this drum lib.


    You could just run it in K5 Player. No need to upgrade to K5 full.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 12:14:57 (permalink)
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    BTW, the new Studio Drummer library does not work with Kontakt 4. You have to upgrade to Kontakt 5 to use it. Now we know the real reason for this drum lib.
    Bit, your rant is starting to come across as an ignorant one (which quite frankly is beneath you, of all people) - Studio Drummer needs K5 because it expressly makes use of the new MIDI scripting capabilities:

    For ambitious sound designers and professional sample instrument creators, Kontakt 5 introduces both a powerful new "instrument bus" system as well as KSP-based MIDI file support. While the 16 internal stereo busses with their separate insert chains open up greatly increased routing flexibility, the MIDI file functions in the Kontakt Script Processor enable the creation of advanced types of Kontakt-based instruments with versatile integrated MIDI playback features, as demonstrated in the upcoming separate Kontakt-based Studio Drummer instrument.

    And of course you can always use any new library with the free Kontakt Player if you don't want to upgrade.


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 19:28:04 (permalink)
    I personally can't trust NI any more or deal with their rubbish customer service, regardless of the quality of products (which I find have got far more buggy as time has gone on) .. so they don't get my money , which is I think the only thing they will understand. prime example being that new amp inside guitar rig.. sod that, I'll used the IK one which is modelled on the same amp WITHOUT the GR shell around it.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/13 23:07:15 (permalink)
    I don't think Bit is being in the least hyperbolic.  This new kit was built to run under Kontakt 5.  So be it.  But it most certainly means that all users of Kontakt 4...including folks like myself who are using the absolute latest version of K4 are just s*&%t out of luck.  Again, so be it.  But, as Bit alludes, that is simply because NI wishes all of us to upgrade again to the latest and greatest.  And that means more money in their coffers.  Again...duh.  But it does show a self-evident arrogance and hubris on the part of NI to be so callous to their legacy users.
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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/14 00:22:25 (permalink)
    Drew, we'll see just how revolutionary these new MIDI features are. If they actually add value to the process of drum programming, I'll take it back.

    Meanwhile, I'll concede the ignorance charge, since I don't know yet whether the new features are indeed great or mediocre. They might be really cool. Or not. I'm only going with the odds in predicting "not".


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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/14 03:02:00 (permalink)
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    This new kit was built to run under Kontakt 5.  So be it.  But it most certainly means that all users of Kontakt 4...including folks like myself who are using the absolute latest version of K4 are just s*&%t out of luck.  Again, so be it.  But, as Bit alludes, that is simply because NI wishes all of us to upgrade again to the latest and greatest.  And that means more money in their coffers.  Again...duh.  But it does show a self-evident arrogance and hubris on the part of NI to be so callous to their legacy users.
    Once again: whether or not you own Kontakt v1, 2, 3, and/or 4, you do not have to upgrade to K5 in order to use the new drum library. In fact, you don't need to own Kontakt at all, as it will run fine in the K5 Player (which is free). You can run K4 full right alongside K5 Player if you want, no need to upgrade anything. You only "need" Kontakt full for libraries that are open format, i.e., not licensed to run in the free Kontakt Player. Or is that not really what this is about?
     
    If you're going to rant about NI then just have a rant about NI. No need to spread misinformation unnecessarily.

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    Re:New NI Studio Drummer 2011/08/14 11:46:02 (permalink)
    Does the player have all the functionality and tweakability of Kontakt full?  If so, great!

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