New PC Suggestions

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2017/11/07 22:13:34 (permalink)

New PC Suggestions

So I'm contemplating getting a new PC to replace my studio desktop/gaming system. Currently I feel as though the lack of RAM and not having a SSD are items that need to be addressed as I have been experiencing more and more obstacles with Sonar and some games I play. I looked into upgrading the memory and adding a SSD however it would cost around $300 for a 2 year old system which I could apply towards a new desktop. So my thoughts are to look at the i7 7th gen with 16 gb Ram, and a 240gb SSD with a NVidia graphics card. Price range is 1,000 to 1,500. What systems would you recommend that work well with Sonar as I've looked at Asus, Ibuy and a few others on Amazon.
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    abacab
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/09 03:23:00 (permalink)
    Why do you want to spend $1000+ on a new PC when all you need is to spend around $200 on RAM and SSD?  That Core i7-6700 is hardly end of life.

    Cakewalk: Sonar Platinum x64 2017-10; X3e; Dimension Pro; Rapture, Z3TA+2  Other: Akai VIP; AIR AIEP 3; BIAB; Ignite; Iris 2; SampleTank 3; SONiVOX; SynthMaster; Syntronik; VocalizerPro; Tracktion Waveform OS: Win10 Pro x64 1703 System: Homebuilt Asus; i3 3.4Ghz; 8GB DDR3; Intel HD Graphics; Dual Monitors; Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 250GB; WD 1.0TB 7200rpm; PCIe FireWire  Audio: M-Audio FW-410;  Controllers: A-300PRO; Alesis VX49; CME Xkey  Hardware: Roland JV880; JV1080; XP-30; Alesis QS-6; Casio CZ-1000; Mackie 1202
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    highlandermak
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 00:06:56 (permalink)
    Ok too late, just bought it lol. So question with a 240gb ssd and a 2 tb 7200 HD I understand the os goes on the ssd however do I install sonar on the ssd as well or on the regular 7200 HD. And where do I install active projects? Looking for some thoughts of what ppl do. Thanks

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    pb7r47sz
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 04:53:04 (permalink)
    Hilandermak,
    The OS and Cakewalk program go to the SSD. Files that you will edit often (Cakewalk as well as others) go to the HDD.  When you first install Cakewalk go to Edit pull down menu and select Preferences.  In the Preferences select File Folder Locations.  You will see the Cakewalk files that you are allowed to move.  Set up folders on the HDD for the files you want to move.  Then go back to Edit/Preferences/FileFolderLocations to change the file path to the new drive.  The obvious files to put on HDD are:
    Cakewalk Project files for CWP, CWB AND MIDI files for Cakewalk projects
    Wave files for Wav, AIFE AND MPEG files to import into Cakewalk
    Video files for AVI, MPG, MOV video files for import into Cakewalk 
    Play lists for audio playlists of your Cakewalk Creations.
    There are several other Cakewalk files you can move but you need to ask yourself if you will be editing them a lot or just adding to them infrequently and in small quantities.  eg. CAL, StudioWare, Step Sequence files if your a keyboard player.
     
    Keeping your SSD from being bloated requires some diligence.  Here are a few.  The how to's are on the web.
    Disable frefetch and superfetch
    Limit the paging file on C:\drive
    Move the locations for User TMP and TMP files and the System TEMP and TMP files
    System protection for C:\drive need a limit set for how many restore points you want to keep
    Turn off Hybernation thru the command prompt, this also shuts off Fast Start
    Turn off windows indexing service for C:\drive  but keep it on for HDD
    Turn off C:\drive file compression and defrag in disk management
    Depending on your SSD, enable write cache buffer and buffer flushing, see vendor specs
    Change the default location for user files this is the big one.
    Change the default location for download files this is a big one too.
    This should get you started.  I'm sure there are others the rest of the forum can help with.
     
    Enjoy,
    Forest
     
     
     
     
     
     

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           Forest
     
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    highlandermak
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 12:21:06 (permalink)
    That is exactly what I was looking for, thank you so much :)

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    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX960 2GB DDR5 - Memory: DDR4 2133MHz 8G
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    highlandermak
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 12:26:56 (permalink)
    What are your Thoughts on plugins and virtual instruments such as waves, ikmultimedia and ad2 products? Thanks

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    OS:Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
    CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-6700 - Chipset: Intel® H110
    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX960 2GB DDR5 - Memory: DDR4 2133MHz 8G
    USB: 2X 3.1, 4X 3.0, 4X 2.0 - Storage: 1TB SATA hard drive (7200rpmRPM)(8GB SSD Hybrid)
    Application(DAW): SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
    Audio Interfaces
    PreSonus Studio 192 Firmware 1.6-39 - Driver  UC Surface v2.1.0.43180 for Windows
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 14:14:46 (permalink)
    I put all of my plugins on the SSD.  Their file size is not that big.  But it speeds up loading them.  Of course all sample content goes on HDD, same as Cakewalk content.  Projects with only synths in them, and no samples, load in a snap.

    You can always use directory junctions for programs that don't like to let you specify content locations.

    https://www.howtogeek.com...s-on-windows-or-linux/

    Don't forget to look in Cakewalk Command Center settings.  There is a path tab there for Cakewalk download files (installers) and Cakewalk Content.  Make sure that is pointed to the HDD, otherwise your SSD will slowly fill up with Cakewalk updates!

    Cakewalk: Sonar Platinum x64 2017-10; X3e; Dimension Pro; Rapture, Z3TA+2  Other: Akai VIP; AIR AIEP 3; BIAB; Ignite; Iris 2; SampleTank 3; SONiVOX; SynthMaster; Syntronik; VocalizerPro; Tracktion Waveform OS: Win10 Pro x64 1703 System: Homebuilt Asus; i3 3.4Ghz; 8GB DDR3; Intel HD Graphics; Dual Monitors; Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 250GB; WD 1.0TB 7200rpm; PCIe FireWire  Audio: M-Audio FW-410;  Controllers: A-300PRO; Alesis VX49; CME Xkey  Hardware: Roland JV880; JV1080; XP-30; Alesis QS-6; Casio CZ-1000; Mackie 1202
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 14:20:49 (permalink)
    abacab
    Don't forget to look in Cakewalk Command Center settings.  There is a path tab there for Cakewalk download files (installers) and Cakewalk Content.  Make sure that is pointed to the HDD, otherwise your SSD will slowly fill up with Cakewalk updates!



    A directory junction is a better solution that messing with the Command Center settings. Command Center settings reset to default when logging out and back into it. The directory junction, on the other hand, stays put.
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    highlandermak
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 14:51:30 (permalink)
    Very interesting, I have never used a directory junction however it does seem like a beneficial approach. Thank you
     

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    OS:Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
    CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-6700 - Chipset: Intel® H110
    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX960 2GB DDR5 - Memory: DDR4 2133MHz 8G
    USB: 2X 3.1, 4X 3.0, 4X 2.0 - Storage: 1TB SATA hard drive (7200rpmRPM)(8GB SSD Hybrid)
    Application(DAW): SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
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    abacab
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 15:04:08 (permalink)
    Yup, directory junctions just leave a shortcut in place of the original folder.  Seems to work well with anything, especially any app that has hard coded tendencies to expect things are in a certain default location. 

    Cakewalk: Sonar Platinum x64 2017-10; X3e; Dimension Pro; Rapture, Z3TA+2  Other: Akai VIP; AIR AIEP 3; BIAB; Ignite; Iris 2; SampleTank 3; SONiVOX; SynthMaster; Syntronik; VocalizerPro; Tracktion Waveform OS: Win10 Pro x64 1703 System: Homebuilt Asus; i3 3.4Ghz; 8GB DDR3; Intel HD Graphics; Dual Monitors; Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 250GB; WD 1.0TB 7200rpm; PCIe FireWire  Audio: M-Audio FW-410;  Controllers: A-300PRO; Alesis VX49; CME Xkey  Hardware: Roland JV880; JV1080; XP-30; Alesis QS-6; Casio CZ-1000; Mackie 1202
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 15:49:37 (permalink)
    There are a variety of directory junction examples on the forum. Use Google to search for
    site:forum.cakewalk.com mklink
    to get a list of posts.
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/13 15:50:26 (permalink)
    If you want to speed up sample load times... and greatly expand your disk-streaming polyphony, put those sample libraries on SSD. 
     
    If you have the budget, M.2 Ultra SSD is about 6 times the speed of SATA SSD.
    Used strategically (for your most heavily used libraries), this can make a tremendous difference.
     
     

    Best Regards,

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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/15 05:56:11 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the great suggestions. Now for the last request what antivirus do most of us use if any for our DAW?

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    OS:Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/15 15:31:45 (permalink)
    Now that is a loaded question!  The answer ranges from none, to everything else. 
     
    One thing depends on whether you are dedicating your PC to DAW only, or using it as a multi-use PC.  If it a dedicated studio DAW, maybe the best plan is to disconnect it from the network and use offline updates only.  You only need an on-demand scanner if that is the case.  No real-time AV protection required, which frees up a bit of RAM and some CPU cycles.
     
    But if you are going to be connecting to the internet, you need some protection.
     
    A lot of folks take their chances with Windows Defender, which has improved with Windows 10.  It doesn't always score the highest detection rates in tests, but it is free and included with Windows.  Since it is embedded in Windows some folks feel that it has the lowest system impact.
     
    Many AV file scanners let you set some exclusions, so you can prevent your audio drives from being scanned, for example.  Or you can disable real-time scanning while you are working with audio.
     
    IMHO, if you want the best paid protection, Bitdefender. Kaspersky, and Avira are consistently among the best in 3rd party tests year after year.
     
    The best free products are probably Avast, Bitdefender, and Avira.  For free plug and play with the broadest coverage, if you don't plan to install more than one product, my vote would go to Avast Free.  In addition to the file shield and web shield, it now has a behavior shield.  Just be sure to select the custom install, and uncheck the extras you don't really need.  https://www.avast.com/en-us/free-antivirus-download
     
    Good luck!  You are likely to get some interesting opinions on this subject! 

    Cakewalk: Sonar Platinum x64 2017-10; X3e; Dimension Pro; Rapture, Z3TA+2  Other: Akai VIP; AIR AIEP 3; BIAB; Ignite; Iris 2; SampleTank 3; SONiVOX; SynthMaster; Syntronik; VocalizerPro; Tracktion Waveform OS: Win10 Pro x64 1703 System: Homebuilt Asus; i3 3.4Ghz; 8GB DDR3; Intel HD Graphics; Dual Monitors; Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 250GB; WD 1.0TB 7200rpm; PCIe FireWire  Audio: M-Audio FW-410;  Controllers: A-300PRO; Alesis VX49; CME Xkey  Hardware: Roland JV880; JV1080; XP-30; Alesis QS-6; Casio CZ-1000; Mackie 1202
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/15 15:51:18 (permalink)
    An often overlooked item in the system protection plan is a backup plan.  If you already have one, great!
     
    If not, something as simple as Macrium Reflect Free is an excellent option.  Use a cheap external USB drive and you can make a full image of your selected PC drives, on a schedule, as often as you feel is necessary.   https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree
     
    The Macrium bootable rescue media can restore your system image in minutes, in the event that your PC ever becomes un-bootable (or gets overrun with malware).  The Macrium wizard builds a bootable CD/DVD or thumb drive for you based on Windows PE, so you can boot your system and access your backup images for recovery. 
     
    Highly recommended!  I take a system image with it every day.
     

    Cakewalk: Sonar Platinum x64 2017-10; X3e; Dimension Pro; Rapture, Z3TA+2  Other: Akai VIP; AIR AIEP 3; BIAB; Ignite; Iris 2; SampleTank 3; SONiVOX; SynthMaster; Syntronik; VocalizerPro; Tracktion Waveform OS: Win10 Pro x64 1703 System: Homebuilt Asus; i3 3.4Ghz; 8GB DDR3; Intel HD Graphics; Dual Monitors; Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 250GB; WD 1.0TB 7200rpm; PCIe FireWire  Audio: M-Audio FW-410;  Controllers: A-300PRO; Alesis VX49; CME Xkey  Hardware: Roland JV880; JV1080; XP-30; Alesis QS-6; Casio CZ-1000; Mackie 1202
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/15 18:30:41 (permalink)
    I just use Windows Defender, but I don't generally browse the internet on this computer. But I DO leave it online to d/l updates and check Cakewalk forums with it and transfer files to/from my home computer (which I DO use for general browsing).
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    Re: New PC Suggestions 2017/11/15 18:30:44 (permalink)
    delete me. duplicate post
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