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New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
In addition to the other issues, the new PRV is now making it very difficult for me to work with multiple tracks. In versions prior to 2013.03, within the PRV, when I clicked on a midi note, it automatically focused on the track of this note. This way I knew which track this note belongs to. Now, in the new version, I have to select all tracks, turn off AutoLock, but when clicking on any note, the focus DOES NOT CHANGE TO ITS TRACK.  This way, the note gets LOST in the middle of the others and I'm forced to manually search, track by track, until find out which track this note belongs to. Am I doing something wrong? Can someone help me?
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 16:51:29
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In addition to the other issues, the new PRV is now making it very difficult for me to work with multiple tracks.
In versions prior to 2013.03, within the PRV, when I clicked on a midi note, it automatically focused on the track of this note. This way I knew which track this note belongs to.
Now, in the new version, I have to select all tracks, turn off AutoLock, but when clicking on any note, the focus DOES NOT CHANGE TO ITS TRACK.
This way, the note gets LOST in the middle of the others and I'm forced to manually search, track by track, until find out which track this note belongs to.
Am I doing something wrong?
Can someone help me?
Normally I wouldn't edit in PRV with the Auto Lock Disabled since I might accidently move a note that isn't in the track I want to tweak. Seems like you are trying to track down a rogue note..It looks like you have selected all the tracks to edit. (all the pencil icons are enabled.) with the Auto Lock disabled. This means you can of course edit any note in the PRV. You can determine which track the note in question by clicking on the note and look in the track view. The track number while be highlighted. With that said I think what should logically happen is when you select the note, the name of the instrument in the track pane should be illuminated, instead Glockenspiel is illuminated. I think this is a bug... Walt
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:09:13
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Normally I wouldn't edit in PRV with the Auto Lock Disabled since I might accidently move a note that isn't in the track I want to tweak. Seems like you are trying to track down a rogue note..It looks like you have selected all the tracks to edit. (all the pencil icons are enabled.) with the Auto Lock disabled. This means you can of course edit any note in the PRV.
That's exactly what I've always done; Many times I NEED to edit on many instruments simultaneously to change voices and other things. Disabling "Auto Lock" is possible, but now, when you click on a note, it does not show which track it goes through. WallyG
You can determine which track the note in question by clicking on the note and look in the track view. The track number while be highlighted.
Not working in 2013.03. It was how it worked in the previous version and now it does not work anymore. It certainly is a bug.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:20:27
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I have experienced similar confusion when working with many MIDI tracks in the PRV. I find myself looking over at the Track View to see which meter moves when I click on a note in order to confirm I'm on the right track. Selecting a MIDI track in the PRV main window should automatically select the same track in the Picker window, the way selecting a track in the Track View automatically selects the same track in the PRV and Picker. I suspect this was just an oversight during the PRV rewrite.
Until this is addressed, the simplest workaround is to always use the Picker window to select tracks instead of clicking on a note to select its track. A hard habit to break, though. And no help when you're merely trying to identify which track a note is part of.
In a related complaint, I really like the auto-lock feature. It solves the most common problem (for me anyway) of accidentally moving a note in the wrong track, e.g. moving a note in the second-violins track when I meant to edit the first-violins track. The problem is that locked tracks' gray colors are difficult to see and to differentiate from one another. There's really no need to obscure locked tracks in this way. And rather than being completely inert, I'd like to be able to click on a note in a locked track to select that track for editing. Or at least highlight it in the picker.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:29:23
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WallyG
You can determine which track the note in question by clicking on the note and look in the track view. The track number while be highlighted.
rogeriodec
Not working in 2013.03.
It's working in my 2017.03 (I assume 2013.03 is a typo.) Are you looking in the track view? (Not the PRV view). You should see the track number illuminated or as BitFlipper suggested look at the meter. Walt
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:34:08
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....And rather than being completely inert, I'd like to be able to click on a note in a locked track to select that track for editing. Or at least highlight it in the picker.
But doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Auto-Lock? Walt
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:47:56
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It's working in my 2017.03 (I assume 2013.03 is a typo.) Are you looking in the track view? (Not the PRV view). You should see the track number illuminated or as BitFlipper suggested look at the meter.
Walt
I have a custom orchestral template, this is not working on the last tracks (strings). But for some reason it's working on the first few tracks. Opening a new project (without template) and creating all the tracks manually, it works as you described it. So it must be some incompatibility bug with old templates. But still, this remains a bug in the new PRV, which should focus on the track whose note was selected.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 17:56:51
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But still, this remains a bug in the new PRV, which should focus on the track whose note was selected.
Agree! Walt
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 19:17:14
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Since this is a bug, what better way to inform officially the Cakewalk, for this to be corrected as soon as possible?
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 19:49:34
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Focus and selection have always been independent in both the PRV and the Track View with the sole exception of clicking directly a single note in the PRV which did used to cause the focus to move. But lassoing notes in the PRV did not cause focus to change, and couldn't logically do so in the case that notes from more than one track were lassoed so there was inconsistency there that has now been remedied. I'm okay with focus and selection being completely independent, but I think there needs to be a clear indication in the PRV Track Pane of which track(s) have selected notes since track number highlight in the PRV does not mean the same thing as in the Track View (not a good design choice in my view). The PRV track pane has never given any indication of selection so it's not really a bug that it doesn't now, but it should. So my preference would be for the track number highlight to mean the same thing in the PRV that it means in the TV (i.e. some part of the track is selected) and to have a separate indicator/control for whether a track's notes are visible as there was in the old PRV track pane. Two steps forward and one back are better than one forward and one back. 
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 20:17:18
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...But lassoing notes in the PRV did not cause focus to change, and couldn't logically do so in the case that notes from more than one track were lassoed so there was inconsistency there that has now been remedied.
It's not lassoing notes, it's clicking ON the note. As I said, until the previous version, clicking on a note caused the focus to go to the track of this note. This is no longer happening in this new version.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 20:37:47
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 20:41:22
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...But lassoing notes in the PRV did not cause focus to change, and couldn't logically do so in the case that notes from more than one track were lassoed so there was inconsistency there that has now been remedied.
It's not lassoing notes, it's clicking ON the note.
As I said, until the previous version, clicking on a note caused the focus to go to the track of this note. This is no longer happening in this new version.
I know. Re-read my previous post. What I'm saying is that having track focus change with clicking a note was inconsistent with the independence of selection and focus in all other contexts and selection by other methods. That inconsistency has now been remedied, but it makes it more problematic that there's never been a good indication in the PRV track pane of which tracks are selected. Track focus should never be taken as a reliable indication of what is or isn't selected; they're independent.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 20:59:20
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I think what matters is the result, which should facilitate the user's life and not hamper.
In summary, in the current version of PRV, if I have a lot of notes from a lot of instruments in the PRV, if I want to know which track a note belongs to, I will have to look at Track View.
In previous version was easier, because the track was indicated on PRV.
If you're saying that this is not a bug and this will remain so, I'm sorry, Cakewalk walked MANY steps back.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/03 22:19:28
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I don't know whether the change was inadvertent (i.e. a bug) or a deliberate design choice. It has advantages and disadavantages. I generally know which notes are which instrument/track by their pattern and pitch range, and have already moved the focus to the track I want to work on in the Track View before selecting anything in the PRV, so it's not a behavior that I relied on.
I can see how this change could be disruptive if you're used to using this behavior to change focus, and using focus as an indication of which part is which. I just think a better solution would be to add a true selection indication, rather than using focus as an incidental indication of selection in this one context.
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Re: New PRV: I can't tell which track a note belongs to
2017/04/04 07:04:17
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I have to admit I don't even know what the track picker is, I always just double click a clip. Nevertheless, this thread has inspired me to get up to speed with the new workflow, between all the "complaints" and praise there is actually a lot of good info about specific behaviors.
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