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2011/07/29 14:07:15 (permalink)

New Sonar Video!

Just purchased the new Official Sonar X1 video. EXCELLENT!
Keep these awesome videos coming! Well done. I want more  :-)
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    Jesse G
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/29 14:57:27 (permalink)
    Post a link to where you found the NEW video.

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/29 18:02:57 (permalink)
    I just checked the CW store...the OP has to mean the Craig Anderton/Sonar X1 Advanced Workshop video, because that's the only homegrown CW vid available at this point.

    FWIW two days left before i cave, and buy it just before the sale ends: http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-X1CA1.00-20E

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/30 14:06:05 (permalink)
    OH .. I was wondering which one he was talking about.   I purchased that one already.  That's a great Video.

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/30 14:32:11 (permalink)
    Yes, that is the video. Very well done.
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/30 15:26:18 (permalink)
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    Just purchased the new Official Sonar X1 video. EXCELLENT!
    Keep these awesome videos coming! Well done. I want more  :-)

    The odds are pretty good they will be another one. The response to this one has been extremely favorable, and I have plenty more material. The only real issue is whether I have time to do another one, a video like this takes a lot of work.
     
    I'm really happy you like it! I hope it helps you have more fun making music.
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/30 15:30:10 (permalink)
    That EQ phaser trick is the nuts. Like anything really ingenious, it seems almost obvious once you've been told how.

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/07/31 09:10:40 (permalink)
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    dgrm44


    Just purchased the new Official Sonar X1 video. EXCELLENT!
    Keep these awesome videos coming! Well done. I want more  :-)

    The odds are pretty good they will be another one. The response to this one has been extremely favorable, and I have plenty more material. The only real issue is whether I have time to do another one, a video like this takes a lot of work.
     
    I'm really happy you like it! I hope it helps you have more fun making music.


    We hope you find the time to make more of these. I love all the tips that go beyond the basics of using the application.
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/01 08:50:35 (permalink)
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    dgrm44


    Just purchased the new Official Sonar X1 video. EXCELLENT!
    Keep these awesome videos coming! Well done. I want more  :-)

    The odds are pretty good they will be another one. The response to this one has been extremely favorable, and I have plenty more material. The only real issue is whether I have time to do another one, a video like this takes a lot of work.
     
    I'm really happy you like it! I hope it helps you have more fun making music.
     
     
    Craig - Your knowledge and instruction has helped me since the mid-80's when I used to spend 48 weeks a year on the road in the club circuit. I always had my Tascam 244 in the hotel rooms, and a Craig Anderton "Home Recording for Musicians" book often accompanied me to morning coffee to get me inspired.
     
    I would also like to see more videos. I hope you can find the time!
    post edited by codamedia - 2011/08/03 10:52:40

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/01 09:43:37 (permalink)
    With all of the great reviews from people on this board, i dropped the dime on the download too.  Can't wait until it finishes :)  I'm still very much a newbie, but for when I get up to speed I'll have some advanced stuff ready for me to try out.
    Thanks for the work, Craig :)
     
    (Edit)  Downloaded it and had problems just keeping it playing.  It kept stopping at about 1 min 45 seconds, and no way to go chapter to chapter.  For me it was an easy fix since I just pulled the entire file into Sony Vegas, put in my own chapter markers and rendered an awesome playing dvd in a couple of hours.
    THAT being said, I watched most of it and was blown away by the clarity of the audio, the play by play of how to stuff, and the overall FEEL of this production is amazing!  I seriously hope (and will buy) any more work like this released in the future!
     
    AWESOME stuff :)
     
    post edited by Mick Moreau - 2011/08/01 22:08:05
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/01 20:29:43 (permalink)
    I'll chime in a +1 for this video too. These tips are priceless. And the quality and production are top notch. Nice work Craig and I hope there are more.

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 06:37:31 (permalink)
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    I'll chime in a +1 for this video too. These tips are priceless. And the quality and production are top notch. Nice work Craig and I hope there are more.


    I'm starting to draw up a list of topics... I'm not quite ready to commit yet, but when I keep seeing posts like this, they definitely help me make up my mind!
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 08:50:03 (permalink)
    Personally I would like to see something like Groove3`s "Mixing Electronic Music" where a track is done from start to finish in X1 alone, using just what comes with X1. That I would pay for :-)

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 09:17:25 (permalink)
    I also purchased the video after numerous positive posts. 

     My personal feeling is that it is too expensive at £25 (Even more so at the original price of £30) 

    To be clear, the production/quality of the video and Craig's explanations are really clear and concise. I just feel that it is slightly lacking in depth. 

     For example in the smart tools section, I would think that it would have been highlighted by a 'advanced workshop' video that you can click and drag the 'split' tool over a section of audio to split it at start and end of the 'click and drag' points. As someone that was looking for a 'split at selection' command (that doesn't exist) in X1 that would have been useful.  

    it makes me wonder how many other 'priceless' tips have been missed regarding the smart tool and other tools. 

     Also the 'Looper' section.. Totally confused at the routing out of Sonar. Craig doesn't make it clear how to do the routing. I thought one of the biggest bones of contention with Sonar was the fact that a track cannot be routed back into a track/bus. Am I to assume that the hardware Craig uses offers a kind of virtual output/input ports? On my Firebox, the only way I am aware of doing this would be to route a physical cable out of an actual output and route it back into an input. I wasted quite a bit of time trying to get this to work. I wish he just mentioned something like "you may have to use a cable to route the outputs of your sound device back into the inputs to achieve this" 

     I just wanted to see more detail on each subject. At the same cost of X1 power, my opinion is that the video is over-priced. I doubt I will buy future videos by Craig unless that get heavily reduced, like most of the cakewalk stuff. 

     Just wanted to add a bit of contrast against the sea of 'nodding dogs' 

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 13:36:04 (permalink)
    This is a little off topic from the video, but the video is the only place I am seeing it which is why I am asking here.

    Obviously Craig is a beta tester (or has an advanced copy) of X1c. I can tell this because the gui for the Step Sequencer is different on the video than the one I am using. (Shown in Chapter 7 - Humanizing the Step Sequencer)

    My Question is regarding the Pro Channel as seen in Chapter 16 (Virtual Miking for Acoustic Instruments).
    Starting around 54:05 the video starts to show the Pro Channel. You will notice there is no Compressor at the top - the top is just the EQ (full EQ not compact), with the Saturation under it. (54:30 shows it very clearly)

    Am I missing a setting for the Pro Channel that allows this right now? If not - then I must assume Pro Channels will have more options in X1C. I don't see it mentioned in the X1C notes, but I'm sure they cannot include everything being done.

    I'm sure Craig is bound to an NDA and can't talk about this.
    It's just something I have noticed and thought I would ask about.

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 17:02:03 (permalink)
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    ...In the smart tools section, I would think that it would have been highlighted by a 'advanced workshop' video that you can click and drag the 'split' tool over a section of audio to split it at start and end of the 'click and drag' points. As someone that was looking for a 'split at selection' command (that doesn't exist) in X1 that would have been useful.  

    Also the 'Looper' section.. Totally confused at the routing out of Sonar. Craig doesn't make it clear how to do the routing. I thought one of the biggest bones of contention with Sonar was the fact that a track cannot be routed back into a track/bus. Am I to assume that the hardware Craig uses offers a kind of virtual output/input ports? On my Firebox, the only way I am aware of doing this would be to route a physical cable out of an actual output and route it back into an input.

    Actually, the split tip is in there, but using the Smart Tool instead of the Scissors tool because after the split, you have the additional option to move it with the Smart Tool, which you can't do with the Scissors tool. At 8:11 in the Smart Tools section, the video describes how you can select a portion of audio with the Smart Tool and then says "click within the clip's lower half to create a separate clip based on the selection." If you then want to move it, you can do so without having to click again.
     
    As to the looper, let me add some info in case anyone else is confused about it. First of all, you pointed out something I hadn't caught: An almost identical patching procedure is described in the Chapter "Integrating External Hardware Effects," and this has a picture of the interface's physical I/O to drive the point home. In the original order, that chapter preceded the looper chapter so I didn't feel the need to repeat it. However, Cakewalk recommended changing the chapter order to create a sequence that was closer to a typical project's workflow, and I approved it without remembering there wouldn't be the hardware reference prior to the looper any more.
     
    Anyway, just to clarify at 32:59 the video specifies that you need to use a spare set of inputs and outputs from your audio interface, and shows selecting these in preferences. These do indeed need to be physical ins and outs. It then shows a diagram with the interface outs patching into the interface in, but to your point, if I'd inserted a photo of an actual patch cable instead of just giving the signal flow and saying you need to use an interface's audio ins and outs, it probably would have saved you some frustration At 34:22, the video specifies how you need to assign Sonar to the audio interface's in and outs.
     
    As to pricing, if it sells the projected amount of copies, based on the royalty I receive (it's structured like a book deal) I'll break even for the amount of time I put into it. It would not have been worth doing at a lower price. I started work on this project last January, and while I greatly appreciate your props for the production quality, unfortunately it took hundreds of hours of scripting, recording, and editing to achieve that quality. Virtually none of the screen videos are real-time, but were edited heavily in order to have everything move along at a reasonable pace. The pricing determines whether I can do a second video, which many (many!) people are already requesting. As long as I break even, I'll make another video. If I make a profit, I'll buy a corporate jet...well, or at least a plastic model of a corporate jet.
     
    Of course, in my ideal world, these would just be given away for free. Unfortunately, though, I've never gone into a supermarket and had the clerk say, "Hey! You did that great X1 video, so the groceries are on us!" Maybe someday...
     
    I do appreciate any and all feedback, though, so thanks for taking the time to post your opinions.
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 17:14:21 (permalink)
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    This is a little off topic from the video, but the video is the only place I am seeing it which is why I am asking here.

    Obviously Craig is a beta tester (or has an advanced copy) of X1c. I can tell this because the gui for the Step Sequencer is different on the video than the one I am using. (Shown in Chapter 7 - Humanizing the Step Sequencer)

    My Question is regarding the Pro Channel as seen in Chapter 16 (Virtual Miking for Acoustic Instruments).
    Starting around 54:05 the video starts to show the Pro Channel. You will notice there is no Compressor at the top - the top is just the EQ (full EQ not compact), with the Saturation under it. (54:30 shows it very clearly)

    Am I missing a setting for the Pro Channel that allows this right now? If not - then I must assume Pro Channels will have more options in X1C. I don't see it mentioned in the X1C notes, but I'm sure they cannot include everything being done.

    I'm sure Craig is bound to an NDA and can't talk about this.
    It's just something I have noticed and thought I would ask about.

    I apologize in advance for the boring answer, but all I did was make Sonar's window shorter by moving the bottom edge up. I did this because I wanted the tracks being discussed right next to the Equalizer, so I could zoom in for a close-up and show both simultaneously. With the compressor visible, the tracks were too high up, which meant I would have needed to zoom out further, and you wouldn't have been able to see the details as well.
     
    This is the kind of thing I mean about hundreds of hours spent on editing...
     
    As to X1c, I was given a beta just before the release so I could re-do the Chapters on the Step Sequencer and Optimizing Groove Clips (anyone who's watched the video now knows the Loop Construction window has a cleaner UI, so I'm not giving anything away). And you're right, I can't say anything more about it...sorry!
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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 18:23:20 (permalink)
    Thanks Craig. I always keep Sonar in Full Screen so I have never noticed this behaviour.
    Sure enough, creating a Window I was able to duplicate that look.

    Too bad - I was thinking Pro Channel got a usabilty overhaul of sorts

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/03 19:24:04 (permalink)
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    Thanks Craig. I always keep Sonar in Full Screen so I have never noticed this behaviour.
    Sure enough, creating a Window I was able to duplicate that look.

    I have to dig up the customized Sonar layout I did for 8.5 that made it look like, and work like, an Alesis ADAT. It was just this little console window with 8 channels, a transport, and not much else :)  It was in response to someone in my forum on Harmony Central wishing that DAWs were simpler. Can't get much simpler than that!

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/07 21:32:26 (permalink)
    Craig,

    Add me to the list of folks who would love to see another video.   Great stuff in the first one! 

    I apperciate having someone show me great tips like these, as playing with Sonar is not my full time job, and I find I dont often have time to learn some of the tips and techniques on my own.  So I am happy to pay for the knowledge.  :)

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    Re:New Sonar Video! 2011/08/08 08:36:44 (permalink)
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