New Sonar user needs help

Hey!

Is there a keycommand  if I want to change tempo on a audioloop to fit tempo on the project? In Cubase I only had to press ctrl+T.

And is there aa way to duplicate audio and midi clips? In Cubase it was ctrl+D..
I aam new to Sonar, really love the GUI and the bundled plugins, but  so far I feel that both Cubase and Logic have far better workflow! I hope that Cakewalk will keep working  with the workflow...:-)

Thank you!

Johnny

johny,are you using x1 or x2?

synkrotron


Hi Johnny, and welcome to Sonar and the forum.

I can't help you with your workflow issues. All I can say is, Sonar is Sonar and Cubase is Cubase. Each have their own merits, I'm sure.

Why did you jump to Sonar if you prefer Cubase (and Logic), by the way?

Thank You!


The reason why jumped to Sonar is that  I sold my Mac and brought a monster PC. Wanted to give Sonar a try since I thinks tthat Sonar has the best GUI and its loadd with tons of plugins. I want Sonar to be my main DAW, but am using Cubase 6 til I understand the workflow in Sonar better:-)

The reason why jumped to Sonar is that  I sold my Mac and brought a monster PC.

Ah, I see. Well, you can get an awful lot more back for your buck that way I suppose. And I believe that the second hand value of macs is very good.

^^^ Reported

Sanchezco

synkrotron


Duplicating MIDI and audio clips could be done by either using the standard Windows cut and paste commands, Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, although you have to be careful with respect to active track and Now Time marker.

The method I prefer is to select the clip and hold down Ctrl while dragging an existing clip to a new location, hence creating a copy.

I can't answer the audio loop question because I do not use loops.

Thanks!!!!
I'll try that:-D


Anyone else who can help me with how I can change loop tempo of an Audio track to fit Project tempo in a fast way?

The documentation indicates that in X2, it is ctrl+alt+x to cut, ctrl+alt+c to copy, ctrl+v is a regular paste, and ctrl+alt+v to do something called paste special - paste special gives you some additional choices than a regular paste.  When you do the copy in Sonar, a little dialog box opens and you get to pick and choose what sorts of things it copies midi events in track, temp changes, etc - with each having a box to check or not.


The above keyboard shortcuts ARE what I use to accomplish cut/copy/paste/paste-special.

I also am not loopy (I do not use loops), so I too cannot help with that.  Something in the back of my brain is trying to tell me that groove clips automatically follow the tempo of the tune, and I think if your audio loop is set up to be a groove clip that will just sort of happen for you.  Please look up Groove Clip in the documentation to verify, because the back of brain is often giving me really really bad advice.  (2 marriages, the leisure suit I owned from SEARS back in 1979, you don't want to know the rest).

This is a link to the X2 documentation on Groove Clips - Audio: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Looping.06.html#1111185

There is an IMPORTANT link within the page above that talks about the PITCH of Audio Groove Clips.  Make sure you read that.

OK - here is a linkto another page in the X2 documentation, about how to convert AUDIO clips to Groove Clips: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Looping.09.html#1081277

That one looks to be precisely what you are trying to do.  So give a read of the above documentation, give it a shot, and post back with any results and/or new questions, and one or usually many folks will try to help you.

Welcome to our dysfunctional little family.
Bob Bone

After I had posted, it occurred to me that the doc was just inconsistent.

What I SHOULD have said, rather than DOC, was that if you right-click on a clip, the pop-up options do not mention the standard  Windows shortcuts for any except for paste.  For the others, as I noted, they all include the alt key.

Guess that should be addressed at some point in the documentation and on-screen context text.

Anyways, the good news for our poster is that he now has some info on how to do the things he posted about, 

Bob Bone

Just make it into a Groove Clip. CTRL+L.

Tell you what Bob, this is one of the most civil, polite forums I've EVER been a member of, and I don't just mean Pro-audio forums.

So get on with your work

robert_e_bone

Sanchezco

synkrotron


Duplicating MIDI and audio clips could be done by either using the standard Windows cut and paste commands, Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, although you have to be careful with respect to active track and Now Time marker.

The method I prefer is to select the clip and hold down Ctrl while dragging an existing clip to a new location, hence creating a copy.

I can't answer the audio loop question because I do not use loops.

Thanks!!!!
I'll try that:-D


Anyone else who can help me with how I can change loop tempo of an Audio track to fit Project tempo in a fast way?

The documentation indicates that in X2, it is ctrl+alt+x to cut, ctrl+alt+c to copy, ctrl+v is a regular paste, and ctrl+alt+v to do something called paste special - paste special gives you some additional choices than a regular paste.  When you do the copy in Sonar, a little dialog box opens and you get to pick and choose what sorts of things it copies midi events in track, temp changes, etc - with each having a box to check or not.


The above keyboard shortcuts ARE what I use to accomplish cut/copy/paste/paste-special.

I also am not loopy (I do not use loops), so I too cannot help with that.  Something in the back of my brain is trying to tell me that groove clips automatically follow the tempo of the tune, and I think if your audio loop is set up to be a groove clip that will just sort of happen for you.  Please look up Groove Clip in the documentation to verify, because the back of brain is often giving me really really bad advice.  (2 marriages, the leisure suit I owned from SEARS back in 1979, you don't want to know the rest).

This is a link to the X2 documentation on Groove Clips - Audio: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Looping.06.html#1111185

There is an IMPORTANT link within the page above that talks about the PITCH of Audio Groove Clips.  Make sure you read that.

OK - here is a linkto another page in the X2 documentation, about how to convert AUDIO clips to Groove Clips: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Looping.09.html#1081277

That one looks to be precisely what you are trying to do.  So give a read of the above documentation, give it a shot, and post back with any results and/or new questions, and one or usually many folks will try to help you.

Welcome to our dysfunctional little family.
Bob Bone

Want to thank aall of you for your help! Tested it yesterday and this is really what I was looking for:-)



Its such a positive atmosphere in this forum!! Very glad to be a meember of the cakewalk family!:-)


Well, I have just two more questions...


1: I cant see any vertical gridlines on the arrange window? 
2: In Sonar,  how do I make pitch drops on audio files?


All the best!!

2: In Sonar, how do I make pitch drops on audio files?
 

Open the clip inspector (Shift + I)

Click on the Groove loop tab

If it isn't already, check "Looping"

Check follow pitch
 
You can then either change the clip reference note, or insert pitch markers into the project. A pitch marker is just a regular marker (Press M) with the  "Groove Clip -pitch" field set.
 
HTH