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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 19:57:15 (permalink)
Athlon 64 3000+
ASUS k8V motherboard
1024 Corsair 333 2.5 3373 memory (not approved for motherboard)
Windows XP SP1
Firewire drive
Layla 24
Way to much **** running background that I don't feel like turning off.

ASIO:
42.7 - 31%
21.7 - 32%
10.7 - 39%
5.3 - 47%
2.7 - 65% (as low as it can go)

WDM:
42.7 - 36%
21.7 - 39%
10.7 - 46%
5.3 - 46%
2.7 - 44%
1.3 - 48%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 20:06:27 (permalink)
ASIO 46.4 30
ASIO 23.2 33-34
ASIO 11.6 38-39
ASIO 5.8 51-52
ASIO 2.9 72-75
ASIO 1.5 DROPOUT


Athlon 3200XP
Gigabyte GA-7N400Pro2 (nforce2)
2x512MB PC2700 CL2.5 (dual ddr333)
Seagate BarracudaIV & WD1200JB


I'm running 2 sticks of DDR333 because it's what I had when I upgraded the board a chip(so my memory is asynchronous). I never bothered trying to get PC3200CL2 - does anyone know if this will yield much difference?

pete
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 21:08:32 (permalink)
As it stands now I'm matching you with my XP2700+.

I never bothered trying to get PC3200CL2 - does anyone know if this will yield much difference?


That should make a several percent difference. Syncronising the FSB and RAM clock makes a large latency improvement in nForce2 systems and Sonar is responding really well to reduced latencies. You will need to throw some good money into DDR400 you can run at low latencies.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 21:15:01 (permalink)
You don't actually move the slider. Click the "ASIO Panel" button in Audio Options and set the buffer size in the Mia Control Panel.

-S


Oh OK, I understand now. I will edit my post with the ASIO results when I get a chance.

thanks for your effort in compiliing this, it's really helpful.
Brian
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 22:12:42 (permalink)
AMD Athlon XP 1900+
1.59 GHz
1 GB RAM
MOTU 2408 mk I
WIN XP Pro
Maxtor G450 Dualhead

WDM
5.8 = 81%
11.6 = 62%
17.4 = 56%
23.2 = 52%
46.4 = 48%

ASIO
Buffer Size 64 = Nope
128 = Nope
256 = 74%
512 = 57%
1024 = 48%
2048 = 44%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 22:49:51 (permalink)
For some reason I cant run this test. I'm new to Sonar and I may be missing something obvious. Sonar 3 Pro 3.1b. I open it up - its just a cwp right? I dont see any graphics in the track pane. I unmute the bus (just in case) and I hit the play transport and it goes for about a second, no sound though, and then just stops and resets.

I've checked that I'm outputting to the right card output.

Shouldnt there be audio somewhere with this project?

I'm sorry I'm so clueless, but I'd love some tips on what I may be doing wrong.

Thanks,
Eric
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 22:57:26 (permalink)
you dont need to hit play, just enable the audio engine(button next to exclamation mark). the input monitoring with effects stresses the CPU
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 23:04:25 (permalink)
AthlonXP 2200+ @ 1.8GHz (not OC)
ASUS A7V333
1GB RAM (PC2700 DDR)
Echo MIA w/ 6.08 drivers
2 x 80GB Barracuda ATA IV drives (system and audio)
WindowsXP Pro SP1

46.4ms ... 37-38%
23.2ms ... 40-41%
11.6ms ... 47-49%
5.8ms ..... 62-64%
2.9ms ..... 90-92%
1.5ms ..... Not available in ASIO panel
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/12 23:06:08 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Scott Reams

This one is more applicable to Sonar 3.x. It uses the track EQ and full Lexicon Reverb, and so requires Producer Edition to run. In an effort to isolate the CPU, front side bus, and memory, the file consists of purely input-monitored tracks with various plugins/softsynths. The layout represents one possible mixing/tracking scenario.

Here it is:

Sonar3Test

Testing is simple...

Open Sonar... Set default sample rate to 44.1KHz (important to do this). Set latency to, say, 46.4ms (For consistency's sake, try to use ASIO drivers if you have them available... otherwise, WDM is okay)... and then open the test file. Make sure the audio engine is active, and note the CPU meter reading. Do the same at 23.2ms, 11.6ms, 5.8ms, 2.9ms, and 1.5ms. Keep in mind that on many systems, the audio engine may refuse to engage at the lower latencies. Make a note of that as well.


AMD Athlon XP 3200+
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard
1GB PC3200 CAS2.5 DDR (2x512MB)
MatroxG450 AGP Video
Mobo IDE
--ST 80GB 7200rpm ATA133 System Drive
--ST 80GB 7200rpm ATA133 Audio Drive
--BENQ 48x16x48 CDRW
SI PCI Raid (Mirror Backup)
--ST 80GB 7200rpm ATA133
--ST 80GB 7200rpm ATA133
USB2 Drive (Audio Library)
--ST 80GB 7200rpm ATA133
Enermax 350W PS
Windows 2000 Professional SP4
Delta 1010 .36 Drivers (ASIO)

46.4ms........28%
23.2ms........33%
11.6ms........39%
5.8ms..........49-52%
2.9ms..........68-73%
1.5ms..........N/A
< Message edited by zawa -- 1/13/2004 8:30:03 AM >

zawa
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 00:40:51 (permalink)
This was pretty cool! I can see where my DAW stacks up against the others.

P4 3.0C 800FSB
2GB Corsair PC3200 DDR 400 RAM
1 Maxtor 80GB 7200 for OS
2 WD Raptors in RAID 0 Array for Audio
Delta 1010 using .36 drivers ASIO

MP Enabled MP Disabled

27% 46ms 27-28%
29-31% 23ms 31-33%
33-35% 11ms 36-37%
42-45% 5ms 47-49%
63-67% 2ms 70-73% Pretty erratic
81-87% 1ms 88-95% Overload warning

Results of tests were repeatable 3 times.

Regards,
< Message edited by CRNA59 -- 1/13/2004 3:42:36 AM >

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 05:59:32 (permalink)
Here's my results. But first the weird stuff.

I am running a q10 with ASIO drivers - the latest release is loaded.

When I change the latency slider in the ASIO panel I have to shut down and then restart Sonar to get the settings to show up on the Sonar Options/Audio pop up. Is that normal?

Also, the latency readings on the q10 panel do not match up to those shown on the Sonar panel. I show those q10 readings in brackets below.

After changing settings 3 or 4 times (and hence shutting down and restarting Sonar and the Aardvark program), the Aardvark gives up and takes out XP with it. I have to reboot. Is this normal or is it symptomatic of some other problem?

An off topic question: What hardware buffer setting should I be using under the heading Direct Sound Settings in the Aardvark ASIO and DirectX tab?

Anyway back to my results.

System is P4 2.6 running XPSP1
D865GBFL Intel mobo
1 gig DDR ram (2 x 512 MB PC2700 DDR333
Main drive for apps is WD 40GB 7200RPM U/ATA100 8 MB
removable drive for projects is Samsung 120GB 7200RPM 2Mb
Matrox g550 Dual Head video card

46.4 (55) 2048 varies from 33 to 37 %
23.2 (31) 1024 varies from 38 to 46 %
11.6 (20) 512 varies from 43 to 44 %
5.8 (14) 256 varies from 59 to 89 %
2.9 (11) 128 varies from 83 % to CPU warning
1.5 I can't get my ASIO buffer size slider in q10 below 128 - is that normal?

I hope this all makes sense - I am very new to DAW.

Keep up the great work guys.

Win7 64, Mackie 1640i firewire desk, X2 Producer (64), Sibelius 7 (64)
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 07:00:03 (permalink)
When I change the latency slider in the ASIO panel I have to shut down and then restart Sonar to get the settings to show up on the Sonar Options/Audio pop up. Is that normal?


ASIO latency changes will not show up in Audio Options until you close and reopen the dialog. You shouldn't have to shut down Sonar.

Also, the latency readings on the q10 panel do not match up to those shown on the Sonar panel. I show those q10 readings in brackets below.


Looks like they're adding about 8ms to every latency. Perhaps the interface has some overhead the driver knows about...

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 12:06:36 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: mrh

Here's my results. But first the weird stuff.

I am running a q10 with ASIO drivers - the latest release is loaded.

When I change the latency slider in the ASIO panel I have to shut down and then restart Sonar to get the settings to show up on the Sonar Options/Audio pop up. Is that normal?

Also, the latency readings on the q10 panel do not match up to those shown on the Sonar panel. I show those q10 readings in brackets below.

After changing settings 3 or 4 times (and hence shutting down and restarting Sonar and the Aardvark program), the Aardvark gives up and takes out XP with it. I have to reboot. Is this normal or is it symptomatic of some other problem?



I noticed the same thing last night. Check this thread:

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=35598

Moving the latency slider to safe after changing the ASIO buffer setting, or after experiencing a dropout or shutdown apparently resets the drivers--at least that's my theory. I experienced no crashes as a result. Add your comments to the thread I've started.

Guitslinger
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 12:43:12 (permalink)
Great thread! This, and the processor price dropping from 450 to 280 euro overnight, just pushed me overboard to order Athlon64 3200+.

For some strange reason a local shop is selling it now cheaper than AthlonXP 3200+. Well, I don't complain.


Cheers,
raymond.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 13:13:44 (permalink)
Scott,

Pentium 4 1.8 Ghz 512 megs ram on a Dell Precision Workstation 330 Sonar 3.1b

46.4ms 49%
23.2ms 53%
11.3ms 64%
5.8ms 85%
2.8ms will not run

-- Martin
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 13:15:22 (permalink)
What sound card Martin?

Best

CH
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 17:08:39 (permalink)
Here's a real vintage result..

Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz
Asus A7V (if i remember correctly)
MotU 2408mk3, PCI-424
WinXP
640 Mb memory

ASIO:
42.7 ms = 68 %
21.3 ms = 72-74 %
10.7 ms = 86-88 % (whole machine slows down considerably)

Can't handle the lower rates at all..

Cheers,
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 17:15:27 (permalink)
Scott- How does one determine if the SATA Controller shares PCI bandwidth with the audio interface? I have an Asus P4C800-E Mobo and 2-SATA drives (an 80GB w/16 bit clusters for streaming audio and a 160GB for backup). I use an M-Audio Delta44 w/.36 drivers. WinXP-SP1.

Thanks.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 17:17:12 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Jay Stephen

Scott- How does one determine if the SATA Controller shares PCI bandwidth with the audio interface? I have an Asus P4C800-E Mobo and 2-SATA drives (an 80GB w/16 bit clusters for streaming audio and a 160GB for backup). I use an M-Audio Delta44 w/.36 drivers. WinXP-SP1.

Thanks.


Once you know what chipset you are using you can usually look up the chipset's feature set in order to get an idea. Alternatively... look for a SATA controller chip on the motherboard. If there isn't one... it is most likely integrated into the chipset. In your case, I believe it is integrated.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 17:54:18 (permalink)
Thanks, Scott, for the excellent test, and to everyone for posting their results.

Here are mine:

Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz
2GB DDR RAM
2 x 80GB IDE HD
Echo Mia
Windows XP Home
SONAR 3.1 PE

ASIO Results:

No MP

128 66-72
256 46-52
512 36-37
1024 30-36
2048 28-31
4096 26-29
8192 26-27
16384 26-27

MP

128 62-67
256 45-49
512 35-37
1024 30-32
2048 28-30
4096 27-28
8192 27-28
16384 26-28

In each case the "resting" reading is towards the low end of the range, with occasional jumps towards the high end. Every few seconds I get SIGNIFICANT jumps - maybe 10-20% above the "resting" level. Does anyone else see this? Any ideas what might be causing it?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 17:58:57 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Scott Reams

ORIGINAL: Jay Stephen

Scott- How does one determine if the SATA Controller shares PCI bandwidth with the audio interface? I have an Asus P4C800-E Mobo and 2-SATA drives (an 80GB w/16 bit clusters for streaming audio and a 160GB for backup). I use an M-Audio Delta44 w/.36 drivers. WinXP-SP1.

Thanks.


Once you know what chipset you are using you can usually look up the chipset's feature set in order to get an idea. Alternatively... look for a SATA controller chip on the motherboard. If there isn't one... it is most likely integrated into the chipset. In your case, I believe it is integrated.

-S


The P4C uses the ICH5R Southbridge.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ICH5R with Integrated SATA and RAID 0 Intel is the world's first chipset maker to integrate Serial ATA (SATA) and RAID 0, 1 functions into the South Bridge. The latest ICH5R chipset now delivers 150MB/s fast data transfer (SATA) and striping performance to enhance computing efficiency.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 18:02:28 (permalink)
Am I missing something here?

When I download the file from your link, I get a 25.6kb file.

When unzipped, there's no audio files.

Thoughts?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 18:21:26 (permalink)
The project uses input monitoring to load the CPU, No audio files necessary.

Just open it up and read the CPU meter (as long as the audio engine is running).
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 18:27:39 (permalink)
Thanks, I'm blushing now.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 18:38:17 (permalink)
Here are mine - Dual MP2800+ A7m266-d 1gig crucial rme hammerfall 9652

46.4 - 11%
23.2 - 23%
11.6 - 32%
5.8 - 40-43%
2.9 - 58-77%
1.5 - N/A

Without Dual

46.4 - 37%
23.2 - 41%
11.6 - 48-52%
5.8 - 65%
2.9 N/A
1.5 - N/A

Pity cant get it to play for very long without a crash!

Oh well

MOTU PCI 424 24IO
Biostar Tpower i45 MOBO
Intel Q9550,8gb Corsair RAM
1x Crucial M225 SSD - System
1x Samsung F2 1Tb - Audio
2x Samsung F2 1.5Tb - Storage
2x ATI 4550 (not crossfire - 3 monitors)
W7 64 bit
Sonar PE 8.5.3
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 18:48:38 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: skeewiff

Here are mine - Dual MP2800+ A7m266-d 1gig crucial rme hammerfall 9652

46.4 - 11%
23.2 - 23%
11.6 - 32%
5.8 - 40-43%
2.9 - 58-77%
1.5 - N/A


Are you sure that 11% at 46ms isn't a typo? If you could double-check I'd appreciate it. The CPU usage doesn't usually change anywhere near that much from 46ms to 23ms. That 11% also suggests that MP is giving you a 300+% improvement at that latency... Perhaps you mean 21%?

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 19:00:44 (permalink)
Scott,
I would like to give you some info back but my latency slider
on one of are puters here only goes in increments of 10 ms.
Any idea why. And the lowerest it'll go is 10 (i've never had
a chance to go this before so... )

thnx jeffrey
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 19:02:28 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: roughly

Scott,
I would like to give you some info back but my latency slider
on one of are puters here only goes in increments of 10 ms.
Any idea why. And the lowerest it'll go is 10 (i've never had
a chance to go this before so... )

thnx jeffrey


It depends on your soundcard drivers. If the soundcard in that system is a consumer-level card, it may simply not provide latencies below 10ms.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 19:03:27 (permalink)
nice job on the line graphs!
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/13 19:07:31 (permalink)
I am in Dallas this week for some Nortel training, so I can't post results right now. I do have some thoughts. It would be great if sbavin or someone with the ECS K7S5A motherboard could do the test with DDR and SDRAM to see the difference of memory on the same system. I suspect that this test is mostly memory bandwidth, considering how much lower the one system with SDRAM (without SSE though, too) scores. Those of you with slower CPU's, I wouldn't throw your DAW out just yet, because there is more going on than just CPU speed and memory subsystem bandwidth. It is not completely accurate to how the total DAW will perform under load streaming tracks from the hardrive and drawing VU meters in realtime. I know most of you know this, but I don't want some people to get the wrong idea that slower computers aren't usable .

I am biased, but I suspect Dual processor systems to run exponentially better than this test shows under a real-world disk/VU Meter load than an equivalent single-processor system.

Thanks Scott for the great work.
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