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samahmusic
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/15 19:34:26
ok, I think I did this correctly. just opening the file and changing the driver settings at 44.1, here's what I got:
2.9- 31%
5.8- 32%
11.6- 24%
23.2- 22%

That's as low as my driver would allow.

My setup is Dual Opteron 242
2 gig Ram
Tyan K8W motherboard
Lynx Two Audio Interface

Hope that helps

Peace
Rock
BrianSzep
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/15 20:10:06
Samah,

That Tyan board that you are using, is that a Thunder or Tiger board?

Brian
sbavin
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/15 20:23:00
ORIGINAL: samahmusic
2.9- 31%
5.8- 32%

That seems rather odd.. lower latency = lower CPU usage... I'm gonna get me 2 Opterons.
timboe
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/15 20:35:42
Hey Scott

Looking at your comparitive graph [ brilliant by the way ], would the following (2) conclusions be correct:-

In sub-5.8ms latency situations [ I do all my work at 2.9ms ]

=> the Athlon 64 3200 gives virtually identical performance to the FX-51 cpu but is *bucket loads* cheaper

=> the just released Athlon 64 3400 would likely be marginally better than the FX-51 cpu and it too is *a lot* cheaper than the FX

Lastly, do you know when the 90nm Socket 959 Athlon 64's come out ?

Timboe
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 04:24:17
=> the Athlon 64 3200 gives virtually identical performance to the FX-51 cpu but is *bucket loads* cheaper

=> the just released Athlon 64 3400 would likely be marginally better than the FX-51 cpu and it too is *a lot* cheaper than the FX


Correct on both counts.

Lastly, do you know when the 90nm Socket 959 Athlon 64's come out ?


It's Socket 939, and I believe the projected time is March.

-S
AUDIO PRO
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 05:03:21
Hi scott good work! here is my DAW specs and proformance.

p4 3.0ghz asus p4s800 3-200gb maxtor drives ATA 7200rpms delta 66 64sample 1.5ddr samsung midiman4x4sport 500wattpower hpcdburrner.

mp-on HT-on mp-off HT-off
cpu stock(wdm-only)
1.5-stop 1.5-stop
2.9-70 2.9-81--99
5.8-46 5.8-55--87
11.6-36 11.6-42--56
23.2-30 23.2-35--47
46.4-28 46.4-32--40
< Message edited by AUDIO PRO -- 1/16/2004 5:09:24 AM >
wogg
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 09:28:56
ORIGINAL: samahmusic

ok, I think I did this correctly. just opening the file and changing the driver settings at 44.1, here's what I got:
2.9- 31%
5.8- 32%
11.6- 24%
23.2- 22%

That's as low as my driver would allow.


Those numbers are smokin! The only trouble is that fishy 5.8 -> 2.9 number. Can you verify that those are correct? Also, are you running ASIO (I suspect)? If so you may want to try switching to WDM to get that 1.5ms number and /or take your soundcard's buffer setting down to 64 samples.

If those numbers are good I'm certainly impressed.
SFSonarBoy
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 13:31:10
Hi, and thanks for setting up these tests and compiling the results!

ASIO LATENCY--Single Proc %--- Dual Processor %
46.4 (2048)------------26---------------27
23.2 (1024)------------29---------------30
11.6(512)--------------35---------------33
5.8 (256)---------------45---------------44
2.9 (128)---------------68---------------65
1.5----------------------n/a---------------n/a

(Note the Single Processor score was the same regardless if hyperthreading was disabled via BIOS or via the check-box in the Audio, Advanced window.)

One observation (and apologies if this is old news...) was looking at the Windows Task Manager CPU meter: Using 5.8 latency as an example, the Windows Task Manager meter registered about 25% usage with single processor, but about 43% with Sonar using both processors. Since Sonar doesn't show a huge difference between single- and multi-processor, I'd infer that overall system performance might be better when running other apps with Sonar, to use sonar in single-processor mode. Just a thought.

P4 3.06 w/Hyperthreading
Asus P4T533 Motherboard
1GB RDRam (2x512)
NVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200 Video
Western Digital ATA100(?) 7200 drives (160 for system; 200 for audio)
Sony DRU-500A CD/DVD
Antech 4?? Power Supply
Layla 24 Card (ASIO mode for these tests)
Windows XP Pro SP1

Thanks again!

Steve E.
samahmusic
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 16:06:09
sorry, got those numbers backwards. other than that, it's all true readings. Hope that helps all U guys. Now go make some music and focus on that.
Peace
Rock
samahmusic
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 16:07:51
sorry, wog, but my card doesn't have WDM. only ASIO
wogg
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 16:08:51
Sweet jeebus that's fast! Put that sucka on the chart!

Now go make some music and focus on that.


<whine> I can't, I'm at work </whine>

Otherwise good advice!
HammerHead
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/16 21:02:06
here's another

Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
AMD 2800XP+ (Not OC)
1GB Corsair Dual Channel 3200
M-Audio 1010LT (.27 driver)
Win2K Pro / Tweaked

Asio
46.4.......30%
23.2.......33%
11.6.......39%
5.8.........50%
2.9.........70%
1.5.........Wont Start
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/17 01:38:50
ORIGINAL: wogg

Sweet jeebus that's fast! Put that sucka on the chart!


It'll go on the chart as soon as I return from NAMM...

I would like to see scores from that system (Rock's) with Sonar's MP engine disabled as well... in order to get a complete picture.

-S
Andrew Milne
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/17 04:50:50
Here's another:

AMD AthlonXP 2400 O/C'd to 2.1GHz
ASUS A7V333 Motherboard
512Mb Crucial Ram
RME Multiface ASIO driver

46.4ms........35%
23.2ms........39%
11.6ms........45%
5.8ms..........61%
2.9ms..........88-89%
1.5ms..........dropout
< Message edited by Andrew Milne -- 1/17/2004 9:51:56 AM >
caveman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/18 23:24:02
Ignore this post
< Message edited by caveman -- 1/18/2004 11:27:49 PM >
Stratman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/19 23:32:03
Running a P3 Dual 1.4ghz Intel Tualatin CPU's.
Front Buss is 133
512mb RAM PC133
1 - WD8mb ATA 100 40gig Hard drive for OS
1 - WD8mb ATA 100 80gig Hard drive for Data

On 2000 PRO and S3.1

With MP mode
46.4 = 46%
23.2 = 51%
11.6 = 57%
5.8 =70%
2.9 =Redline Warning ( No Dropout)

Without MP mode
46.4 = 65%
23.2 = 70%
11.6 = 80%
5.8 = Redline Warning ( No Dropout )
2.9 = Redline Warning ( No Dropout )

With WDM drivers on a Delta Omni .29 drivers
I could not get down to 1.5 with my drivers and soundcard .

My system rarely drops out when redlining .It seems to roll over to the second cpu . Interesting . I thought I had a smokin pc till I saw some other stats .

Thanks Scott

Paul
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/20 02:40:39
Thanks Paul! Very helpful.

-S
ngimpi
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/20 14:01:43
Thanks for posting this. I've been fishing around for the best upgrade path and this has been quite enlightening. I think I may have the most pathetic figures yet. My system:
AMD Athlon 1000Mhz
Abit KT7 motherboard
512Megs PC100 (2x256) RAM
Creative Labs TNT-2 Ultra
Maxtor Diamond Max Plus ATA66 40GB (OS & Apps)
Promise Fasttrack RAID w/2 IBM Deskstar 30GB Drives (audio files)
Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
Frontier Labs WaveCenter PCI (3.0 drivers)

My results:
46.4ms........76-77%
23.2ms........81-83%
11.6ms........NOPE
5.8ms.........NOPE
2.9ms.........NOPE
1.5ms.........NOPE

That Athlon 64 3000+ is looking really good right now. Anyone know if AMD has any price cuts coming any time soon?
Ruben
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/20 14:13:29
A little late, but here are my scores:

WinXP
AthlonXP 2000
ABIT KR7A mobo
1GB RAM
nVidia GeForce MX 400

with Frontier Dakota 3.1 drivers:

11.6ms = 55%-56%
5.8ms = 73%-75%
2.9ms = AE won't start
1.5ms = AE won't start

with Delta 1010 .027 drivers:

46.4ms = 48%
34.8ms = 50%
23.2ms = 52%-54%
11.6ms = 63%-64%
8.7ms = 70%-71%
5.8ms = 85%-86%
2.9ms = AE won't start
1.5ms = AE won't start


Thanks for putting this together, Scott. I am just now finishing a P4 3.0Mhz DAW and I'm looking forward to running this test on that box.
puffer
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/21 09:35:21
Scott, I don't know if you're still collecting this info, but I ran the test out of curiosity. Here are my results:

46.2 - 47%/49%
23.2 - 51%/53%
11.6 - 58%/63%
5.8 - 79%/86%
2.9 - audio engine stops
1.5 - nope.

This is using an Audiophile 24/96 with the .36 drivers, in WDM mode. I didn't run ASIO tests because of an ASIO conflict with my EZbus (even though I don't use this as an audio device, I've never bothered to chase down the problem.)

System specs:
AMD Athalon XP Palomino, 1800+, 1.53 GHz
ASUS, A7V333, Socket A/VIA KT333
1 Gig DDR PC 2700 333MHz RAM
WD 100GB 7200 ATA/100 - 8MB buffer - C:/
WD 120GB 7200 ATA/100 - 8MB buffer - D:/
tedluk
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/21 17:12:51
Ok, maybe this is a stupid question, but I've been looking at all of these numbers and everyone is showing one number or a small range for their readings. When I run this test, my readings fluctuate all over the place with the meter constantly changing across a range of 20-30%. Is this typical and you guys are just giving a reading of the average percentages? Or, is there something wrong in my setup or methodology?

I'm not at my computer so I can't give my actual results right now, but I've been wondering this for a while.

I've got a:
P4-2.6C
Intel PERLL
512MB-PC3200
WD- 80GB HDD
Radeon 5200SE

Thanks!

Ted
wogg
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/21 17:37:56
Yes, fluxuation is normal. Many have noted the fluxuation range, some may be estimating the average. Generally the fluxuation seems to increase as the load increases.

You may be able to reduce the fluxuation by testing after a fresh cold boot and making sure all background progeams are shut off if they aren't already.
mjmclane
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/24 01:38:01
Scott - Have you checked out this site? . . Best ProTools systems for under $1,000

I'm not referring to it's technical applicability to a Sonar system, but it's "cut to the chase" recommendations as to system components (which is updated often and is always located at the top of the thread). As a guy who knows enough about computers to be dangerous I appreciate having a knowledgeable source who has culled through the info and just says, "Here, we know this one works great." I think Allen Hallada is to be commended, as are you.
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/24 20:28:50
I managed to finally profile my Dual Opteron 240 system:

AMD Opteron 240x2 (1.4GHz)
ARIMA HDAMB MOBO
1GB PC2700 (2x512MB)
GeForce TI4200 128MB AGP Video
Windows 2003 Enterprise Server
MOTU 828 MK2

I have 2 sets of results, one for WDM and one for ASIO. I've indicated ranges of values when there is variation, and indicated if I drop out.
My results seem a bit high at first glance compared to Scotts and the other Opteron review. I recently swapped in a new MOBO since the original one had a CMOS issue. Its possible I need to tweak some settings here.


------------------------WDM------------
-----------------MP_Off----MP_On

45.7ms..........41-44..........25-26

23.9ms..........44-48..........27-29

10.9ms..........50-55..........29-35

4.4ms............68-75............37-44

2.2ms............93(drop)........54-64



-----------------------------ASIO-------------------------
------------------------MP_Off----MP_On

23.2ms(1024)..........41-42........26

17.4ms(768)...........42-44.........27

11.6ms(512)...........45-46.........27-28

4.4ms(192)............56-57..........37-42

2.2ms(96)..............77-90..........53-64
samahmusic
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 15:49:54
ok. was out of town, so here's your "without the multiprocessor" button enabled results:
2.9 ms- 60%
5.8 ms- 48%
11.6 ms- 42%
23.2 ms- 37%

WITH the button enabled:
2.9ms- 44%
5.8ms- 32%
11.6ms- 24%
23.2%- 22%

Hope that helps
Peace
Rock

www.samahmusic.com
tommydee
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 16:02:12
ORIGINAL: mjmclane

Scott - Have you checked out this site? . . Best ProTools systems for under $1,000

I'm not referring to it's technical applicability to a Sonar system, but it's "cut to the chase" recommendations as to system components (which is updated often and is always located at the top of the thread). As a guy who knows enough about computers to be dangerous I appreciate having a knowledgeable source who has culled through the info and just says, "Here, we know this one works great." I think Allen Hallada is to be commended, as are you.


i would love a permanent thread like the DUC one for Sonar -- a CW-approved list of gear that would make a smokin' DAW for Sonar.

anyone else agree?
Johnny
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 17:12:19
Stratman. With these Intel duals, its measurement can be different sometimes. I remember someone on Cubase site with dual Xeons having load kick over to second processor when meter hit 100% and he had no dropouts. Accurate measurement of these types via a "project" test can be tricky. Of course you will know by how much you can "loadup"( your own projects) how the processors behave.
Stratman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 18:10:10
You know what is scary Johnny ? I seldom dropout when the cpu tags 100% . The cpu light reads Warning and turns red with no % . And I'm not cutting out at all . But in the back of my mind I'm thinking OK am I frying that cpu or what !
justcron
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 19:42:57
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/25 23:04:30
ORIGINAL: Johnny

Stratman. With these Intel duals, its measurement can be different sometimes. I remember someone on Cubase site with dual Xeons having load kick over to second processor when meter hit 100% and he had no dropouts. Accurate measurement of these types via a "project" test can be tricky. Of course you will know by how much you can "loadup"( your own projects) how the processors behave.


That's Cubase. Sonar is a different animal. It does load balancing far, far better... and the CPU meter is actually quite meaningful.

-S
MArwood
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/26 01:29:21
What do you have your BIO's set to, to clock at 2.1?
Max Arwood
rgfors
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/30 02:55:44
Okay Scott, here are your numbers:

WDM with HT enabled and MP enabled in Sonar:
46.4-- 24-26%
23.2-- 25-28%
11.6-- 31-33%
5.8-- 41-43%
2.9-- 59-61%
1.5-- won't engage

WDM with HT disabled
46.4-- 29-31%
23.2-- 31-34%
11.6-- 38-40%
5.8 -- 49-52%
2.9-- 71-74%
1.5-- won't engage

System spec's:
Intel P4 3.2ghz
Intel D865PERL MOBO
2gig 400 somethin' somethin' ram (don't know the brand)
2 Maxtor Ultra ADA 120gig HD's (7200rpm)
2 IBM SCSI 73gig HD's
Radeon 9200 dual head video card
Edirol SD-90 for system sounds
Tascam FW-1884 for audio
< Message edited by rgfors -- 1/30/2004 2:57:06 AM >
Paul
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/30 05:09:20
Finally got the new system running so here's

AMD64 3200+
Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP
1 gig corsair 3200LLPRO
3 Maxtor 7200 drives
Matrox G450 dual head
MOTU 828MKII

23.2--30%
17.4--32%
11.6--34%
8.7--36%
5.8--41%
4.4--44%
2.9--51%
2.2--57%

The old system

T-Bird 1.4
Iwill KK266+
512 kingston ram
Everything else the same

23.2--64%
17.4--69%
11.6--76%
8.7--83%
5.8--xxx

So all in all I'm satisfied so far with the new system except for a problem I'll post new.

Paul
stewart
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/30 05:21:32
Sorry to change the subject slightly but has anyone got a link for a similar Sonartest for previous versions of Sonar? I'm still running SonarXL 2.2.
cAPSLOCK
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/30 12:52:41
sOnAr
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/30 19:09:25
Where is SonarTest? I aint seen him for yearz.
Manolo
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/31 02:45:02
Hi, my results with ASIO drivers are:

46,4 ms -> 32%
23,2 ms -> 34%
11,6 ms -> 40%
5,8 ms -> 49-51%
2,9 ms -> 69-72%
1,5ms -> N/A

My config:

P4 2,4 Ghz C
ASUS P4C800
2x256 Mo DDram in dual channel
HD: 80 Go 7200 rpm
Sound card: Aardvark Direct Pro 24/96
W2000 SP4

Guitslinger
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/01/31 20:11:06
ORIGINAL: Manolo

Hi, my results with ASIO drivers are:

Sound card: Aardvark Direct Pro 24/96
W2000 SP4



Did you have the ASIO turbo mode engaged, and the ASIO buffer set to 192? If not, I would be curious to see if it improves your performance.
Manolo
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 05:47:21
ORIGINAL: Guitslinger

ORIGINAL: Manolo

Hi, my results with ASIO drivers are:

Sound card: Aardvark Direct Pro 24/96
W2000 SP4



Did you have the ASIO turbo mode engaged, and the ASIO buffer set to 192? If not, I would be curious to see if it improves your performance.


Hi, yes i have it and the ASIO buffer is set to 128 (to have 2,9 ms of latency).
Manolo
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 06:07:12
I've done the test with MME drivers:

46,9 ms -> 37-39%
23,9 ms -> 35% (?)
12 ms -> 41-43%
6 ms -> 50-54% (audio stopped, i have to run again the audio engine)
3 ms -> 70-73% (audio stopped, i have to run again the audio engine)
1 ms -> CPU warning but no dropout
michael japan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 07:15:38
tried the test in WDM. When I loaded the file it said that all of the plug-in's are missing, yet I have those plug-ins. Not sure I understand.

46.4 -29
23.2-35
11.6-40
5.8-47

P4 2.4
michael japan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 07:20:11
I am using W2K with Sonar 3. My motherboard is capable of H/T but I never even heard about it until I joined this forum. I read that hyperthreading is for XP/LINUS. Should I try using it, or disable it or what should I do. What are the benefits? Thanks in advance.

Spec.

P4 2.4
1GB DDRAM 400
ASUS P4800
michael japan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 07:23:27
Hi! I have similar specs. Could you explain hyperthreading to me. My motherboard is capable of it.

P4 2.4
ASUS P4P800
IGB DDRAM 400
< Message edited by michael japan -- 2/1/2004 7:24:14 AM >
michael japan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 07:34:45
While I'm on a roll here (sorry for all the questions) I have 2 files on my C drive that won't defragment-2 big red blotches. Any ideas.
Sonarc
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 13:15:39
Hi Michael. After defrag, it asks if you want to see more(details or something), it will list the fragged files. It can be a .dmp file which is a mamory dump file(512) when your computer goes haywire sometimes. You can search for "dmp"(Mem.dmp) and deletel it. Make sure it's the right file. Or else it could be an instrument's large sample files. There's nothling you can do and everything will usually sound fine. Sometime's it's better to load smallest libraries first and larger later.
michael japan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 19:42:41
thanks for response. I'll give a few more details. It wouldn't be from loading samples I don't think because I have my data on a different physical drive than Sonar 3 program. THe namers of the files are:
1253KB\WINNT\SHELLCON CACHE
1405KB\RECYCLE\NPROTECT\00005873.NKS
Someone suggested running Norton Disc Doctor or utilities (which I don't own.) My technician moved to Taiwan for a while and I'm having to wear all the hats with heavy deadlines. It's not kkeping me from working but it concerns me that everytime I run a check it says that it needs to be defragged and the not so appealing red block is there.
Chris of Arabia
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/01 23:49:15
Here are my results. The system isn't fully built yet as I'm busy trying to sort a SATA issue - how that affects the results I'm not sure (hopefully it won't).

ASUS P4C800 Deluxe
Pentium 4 3.2 GHz (800 FSB)
1 Gb TwinMOS matched pair RAM
80 Gb Seagate SATA system drive (partitioned)
120 Gb Seagate SATA audio drive (partitioned)
M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (.36 drivers)
Matrox Millennium G550
Windows XP Home SP1
Sonar Producer 3.1

All tests done on WDM drivers NOT ASIO

MP Off:

1.5 = Audio engine dropped out
2.9 = 66%
5.8 = 44-50%
11.6 = 34-37%
23.2 = 29-30%
46.4 = 27-28%

MP On:

1.5 = Audio engine dropped out
2.9 = 58-72%
5.8 = 40-43%
11.6 = 31-34%
23.2 = 27-30%
46.4 = 25-27%

There are no ASIO results, because for some reason although I could select the driver, no matter where I moved the latency slider, it would only read 1.5ms - net result audio engine dropout.

As mentioned above the system has only just been put together and hasn't yet been hooked up into either mixer or monitors - so I've no idea whether it's running right yet in an audible sense. More testing later perhaps.

>;o))
< Message edited by Chris of Arabia -- 2/2/2004 7:13:02 AM >
Sonarc
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/02 00:07:25
The 1st one, I have also and don't know what the other is, but they look of no concern and their size is too small to have anything to do with your large frags. Well, that's all I have to offer. As you said, if all your sample libraries connected with vstis are on the 2nd drive then this is something else. Maybe someone else here would know.

"but it concerns me that everytime I run a check it says that it needs to be defragged and the not so appealing red block is there. "

And yes, this is what I always got from my fragmented drive.

Maybe you should start a new thread on this one. Maybe that's why no one is answering.
< Message edited by Sonarc -- 2/2/2004 12:11:58 AM >
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/02 04:35:00

There are no ASIO results, because for some reason although I could select the driver, no matter where I moved the latency slider, it would only read 1.5ms - net result audio engine dropout.


This is how ASIO is supposed to work. You don't use the slider to change latency. Instead, click on the "ASIO Panel" button below the slider, and change the buffer size in your sound card's control panel.

-S
Chris of Arabia
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/02 05:46:47
Doh! The manual wasn't too clear on the subject and I've always used WDM in the past [/idiot]
< Message edited by Chris of Arabia -- 2/2/2004 8:47:22 AM >
Chris of Arabia
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/02 11:01:12
Here are my results with ASIO then.

ASUS P4C800 Deluxe
Pentium 4 3.2 GHz (800 FSB)
1 Gb TwinMOS matched pair RAM
80 Gb Seagate SATA system drive (partitioned)
120 Gb Seagate SATA audio drive (partitioned)
M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (.36 drivers)
Matrox Millennium G550
Windows XP Home SP1
Sonar Producer 3.1

MP Off:

1.5 = Audio engine dropped out
2.9 = 60-64%
5.8 = 42-45%
11.6 = 33-35%
23.2 = 28%
46.4 = 25%

MP On:

1.5 = Audio engine dropped out
2.9 = 56-61%
5.8 = 39-40%
11.6 = 31-32%
23.2 = 26-27%
46.4 = 26%

As mentioned previously the system has only just been put together and hasn't yet been hooked up into either mixer or monitors.

>;o))
zendin
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/02 23:39:33
ASUS P4PE mobo
2.4 gHz, Intel 845 chipset
1 GB Crucial 333 DDR RAM (2 - 512s)
2 Western Digital 7200 80 GB HDs (one programs, one audio)
Matrox G550 Dualhead graphics card
RME Multiface - ASIO driver 2.6.2
Windows XP Pro - sp1
Sonar 3.1.1

46ms - 34%
23ms - 38%
12ms - 45%
6ms - 59%
3ms - 87%
1.5 - Tango Uniform

I've just started to use Sonar heavily and based on this and another project I've got going on I wouldn't say my prospect for the future is exactly ecstatic. I ordered another 512 MB RAM chip today. Hoping that helps out. I've done all the XP tweaks I can find (except hyperthreading, don't think my mobo supports it).

I'm doing house music, so lots of DXi and effects and automation are essential. I really expected far better performance than what I'm seeing.

Any ideas are GREATLY welcome!


zendin
< Message edited by zendin -- 2/3/2004 7:12:43 AM >
Scott Reams
Max Output Level: -56 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/03 00:18:02
Zendin,

You don't mention what P4 you have...

-S
zendin
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/03 07:12:59
Oops! So sorry, it's a 2.4 gHz. I went ahead and fixed my above post as well.
JAB3
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/06 22:17:34
Greetings,

I was wondering if any of you guys that have contributed to this sonar test thread, have bought your system custome configured as opposed to building it yourself. I am particularly interested in hearing from you guys that had high performance marks compared to Scott's Chart (I am interested in Athlon 64, XP 3200+, and P4 machines). Most importantly, it would also be nice to hear if your systems are not only fast, but honestly stable.

If you fall into this catagory, If you guys could give me some links to some of these reputable custom pc builders, that would be super. In general, I am looking to keep my system in the max $2000 range.

Although, I have gutted (never built from ground up) a couple of system peripherals, I am not sure I want to go through the learning curve up building a system ground up myself. Better yet, I have a fear that after ordering all of my parts, I may screw something up, or forget something critical. I think the brunt of it all also is impatience, as I have stopped making music for several months just trying to figure out the best way to escape my WinME Hell.

It's pretty sad how my wallet is governed by O/S systems and the software companies that join the wagon. And now soon Longhorn is coming. Maybe one day I will also see companies like Cakewalk and Native Instruments say, "We no longer support WinXP, only Longhorn". Then I'll repeat the same monotonous cycle of working long O.T. hours to save up for my next upgrade.
Is someone playing a violin in the background?

Anyhow thanks for your help and inputs.

Best regards,
John
JAB3
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/07 18:25:17
Anyone have any feedback yet? Thanks once again
Scott Reams
Max Output Level: -56 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/07 19:22:48
I don't typically utilize this forum to promote my own business directly... but a good part of what I do is put together custom DAWs:

LiquidDAW

-S
Jim Wright
Max Output Level: -66 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/07 20:21:19
Woody, Zendin --

RE: Poor performance numbers with 845-based P4 motherboards.

You're both using motherboards with the 845 chipset (Zendin has 845PE, Woody has 845E). Unfortunately, the 845 is not so great as far as memory throughput goes. The original 845 truly sucked rocks in that department; the 'PE' version is a bit better than the 'E' version, which is a fair bit better than the original version. I have an Asus P4T with a 1.7G P4 and an 850 chipset (which required $$@$! RDRAM), and on memory-sensitive benchmarks, it still blows away 2+ G P4 systems with 845 chipsets). If you want the nitty-gritty details, there are chipset reviews on anadtech.com, tomshardware.com and other geek sites.

Zendin, your problem is fixable, with a bit of pain. You have a socket 478 processor, which means you can move both the processor and your RAM to a new mother board with an 865 chipset (or better). The Intel D865PERL has been getting great reviews elsewhere on the forum, and it's around $100. There are lots of other choices depending on the features you want. (In my case, the hot new motherboards don't use RDRAM, so I have to buy new everything when I upgrade .....)

Woody, you've got a 1.8G P4, but it seems to be a socket 478 given your motherboard. Your system can also be improved, but you may need to spend more money than Zendin. Least cost: you could keep the same processor and ram and just upgrade the motherboard. However, 1.8G is a bit slow for current P4s, and you might consider a new one. Happily, they've just gone on sale: with the new Prescott P4's introduced and the HT P4's now going mainstream, the non-HT P4's have been price-dropping. You can probably reuse your existing RAM (you didn't give the speed), but it might be a bottleneck as well.

FWIW, I just bought a 2.8G 533M FSB P4 from newegg for about $170; I'm modding my P4T motherboard with a p478 socket adapter so I can use the 2.8G P4 with my 1G of PC800 RDRAM (at 533 FSB) -- slightly overclocked, but others have made it work.

In other words -- lose your motherboard, buy an 865-based one, and you should be happier (look at Scott's stats; you're the only two people with 845-based systems).

Good luck!

Jim

Edited 2004-8-2 to add links below. Note that 845PE is clearly better than the original 845, but still no match for 865PE, 875P.

Intel P4 memory performance at 533 FSB: 845, 865, 875 chipsets
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1823&p=9

Intel P4 memory performance at 800 FSB: 845, 865, 875 chipsets
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1823&p=15

Issues with 865 chipset and DDR400 memory
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1823&p=6
< Message edited by Jim Wright -- 2/8/2004 2:02:30 PM >
CP
Max Output Level: -77 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/09 04:20:00
Athlon 64 3200+
GIgabyte K8NPro MOBO
1 Gig matched Corsair TwinX PC3200
Cool Antec Sonata case ;)
2 Delta cards (1010) using .36 drivers WDM
SONARPE 3.1.1
WinXP Pro SP1

46.4 - 28-30%
23.2 - 30%
11.6 - 34%
5.8 - 39-42%
2.9 - 49-51%
1.5 - 69-78% (mostly at 70-74%)

My first test of my new system and I'm loving it!

Also, anyone know how to transfer my old settings from my other PC to this one?
JAB3
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/02/09 19:10:17
Did you build this yourself, or did you buy it from a custom daw place?
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