New, Updated SonarTest

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Featherlight
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/06/30 05:16:20
Specs:
Athlon64 3200+
Asus k8v SE deluxe motherboard
1GB Corsair PC3200 DDR (2x512MB)
Nvidia Ge-Force 4MX4000, 128MB DDR AGP 8x dual monitor
80GB system drive
120GB 7200rpm 8MB SATA audio drive
Lynx Two Model A
Sonar 3.1.1

ASIO
23.2 ms - 29%-30%
11.6 ms - 32%-35%
5.8 ms - 37%-39%
2.9 ms - 47%-52%
1.5 ms - 67%-75%


Roger2004,

Curious about your numbers...I have the exact same setup as you with the exception of the video card and I am about 4 points behind you on all settings. I have an old 32 mg Gforce 2MX twin view and am wondering if that makes up that much difference. The Corsair we are using is the fastest they make TwinX XMS-XL at 2-2-2-5 so I dont think its that. Would be curious to know From You or SCOTT what the most important XP tweaks ( services ) you are modifying are. This is the only area left that has some grey area as far as the test is concerned.

Thanks,

Steve.
Featherlight Studios
planist
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/06/30 06:34:27
cm-magazine has a pdf-file with some of those tweaks. if you want to look at those..
tazman
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/06/30 07:48:37
Do you have a link?
tazman
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/06/30 07:52:51
Mine stays around 41-43% at 5.8ms with WDM. I would be curious as well. I have a Matrox G450 with 16mb. I did try a Radeon 9600 when I had my P4 in the studio and it did not make any differencem but I wonder on the 3200+ if it would...

Thanks,
Featherlight
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/07/01 05:58:39
How about it?

Anyone have a 'prefered' list of tweaks that are 'specific' to Sonar only, not just computing in general. Tweaks that are known to affect/improve latency?
Black viper's stuff is good but geared more for gamers and the Tascam site is a little dated compared to all the new A64 boards out now.
Thanks in advance.
Jon Bryson
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/08 11:34:20
Hi,

Just upgraded to Sonar 3 and would like very much to try this test. However, when I click on the link it takes me to "http://www.roadrec.com/<span%20class=" and gives me a page not found error. Don't know if this is an error with my browser or what. I right clicked the the link and checked properties but all I see is the incomplete link. Could someone direct me to the correct link? Please feel free to email it to me at Jon dot Bryson at Kirtland dot af dot mil.

Thanks!

Jon Bryson
Jon Bryson
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/08 11:42:10
Got it, thanks! Will post my numbers soon.

Jon
Patrice Brousseau
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/19 12:37:05
-WinXP Home sp1 (dual-boot: one uncluttered and optimixed for DAW and the other for internet and Office)
-MSI K7T Turbo LE
-Athlon XP 1600+ (1.39 gHz)
-768 Mb of PC133 SDRAM
-Echo Mia with latest drivers (6.08)
-Maxtor 40 gigs 7200 rpm for system drive
-Maxtor 80 gigs for samples (on his own IDE)
-Matrox G450


This is on the Internet boot with WDM:

46.4ms.....56%
23.2ms.....58-60%
11.6ms.....69-73%
5.8ms.......91-92%
2.9ms.......Audio engine refuse to engage

Added: Same values on the DAW only boot...
< Message edited by Patrice Brousseau -- 8/3/2004 10:22:44 PM >
Alan Chang
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/25 19:52:23
WinXPHome SP1
Motherboard: (One with Intel i850e chipset)
Intel 3.06Ghz 533FSB w/HT
1GB Dual Channel PC1066 RDRAM
RME Hammerfall 9652
ATi Radeon 9700 TX DDR128MB
Maxtor 30GB UDMA100 7200rpm 8mbCache
Maxtor 120 UDMA100 7200rpm 8mbCache
Maxtor 200 UDMA 133 7200rpm 8mb cache

46.4ms....Stable 18-25%
23.2ms....Stable 21-35%
11.6ms....Stable 39-48%
5.8ms......Stable 46-57%
2.9ms......Stable 54-70%
1.5ms......Stable 74-89%
Alan Chang
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/26 04:53:13
^^^

10 minutes audio track for each channel
no effects/plugins

10.0 ms latency 44.1khz 16bit
100 Stereo tracks....25% Stable ... +/- 6% difference
200 Stereo tracks....50% Stable ... + 7% difference
250 Stereo tracks....62% Stable ... + 5% difference
300 Stereo tracks....74% unstable ... + 7% difference (still plays 3/4 track)
350 Stereo tracks....87% unstable ... +5% difference (still plays 1/8 track)

hope this help with my data for my system
sarcazm
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/26 11:13:13
here's results of Centrino (755) HP nw8000
2ghz with 2 mg cache on AC power
1 gig ram
60 gig 7200 hd
Win XP Pro
Indigo i/o

46.4 - ~27
23.3 - ~27
11.6 - ~30
5.8 - ~35
2.9 - ~44
1.5 - ~64

ASIO4ALL (Soundmax)
unable to test as Sonar don't like the inbuilt card

might test with my 410 to see if there's any difference later.

Rather disappointing actually, I was hoping for better.
Xavier
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/27 19:21:35
Windows XP-home
AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (2.088Ghz) 333MHz Barton Core (512KB Cache)
MSI KT4V-L Motherboard
512MB PC2700 Memory (unknown brand)
Nvidia GeForce4 Ti4200 AGP8X Video card
Memorex DVD+/-RW
Seagate ST380013A 80GB Software IDE Hard Drive
Quantum FireballP AS40.0 40G Audio (Removable) IDE Hard Drive
MOTU 896 Firewire Audio Ver3.3 driver, Firmware 1.01, Hardware V2

WDM drivers

DMA: 512 samples per buffer
11.6mS 57-61%
23.2mS 54-55%
34.8mS 50-52%
46.4mS 47-51%
58.0mS 50-51%

DMA: 96 samples per buffer
2.2mS DROPOUT
4.4mS DROPOUT
6.5mS 83-88%
8.7mS 75-79%
10.9mS 68-71%
13.1mS 64-67%
15.2mS 62-64%
17.4mS 59-61%
19.6mS 58-60%
21.8mS 57-58%
23.9mS 56-57%
45.7mS 50-51%
46.7mS 49-51%
wogg
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/27 22:03:21
I've wanted to see a direct Barton vs. T-Bred core comparison.

T-Bred'B' - XP2700+ 2.167GHz 333MHz FSB 256KB cache
Barton --- XP2800+ 2.088GHz 333MHz FSB 512KB cache

ORIGINAL: Xavier (gratuitously trimmed by wogg)

AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (2.088Ghz) 333MHz Barton Core (512KB Cache)
MSI KT4V-L Motherboard
512MB PC2700 Memory (unknown brand)

WDM drivers

DMA: 512 samples per buffer
11.6mS 57-61%


Somethings not quite right with that number there. I was expecting a different outcome comparing a Barton 2800+ with my T-Bred'B' 2700+. I have a negligable clock advantage and the same FSB but half the cache at 256KB. Yet at 11.6ms latency in WDM mode I'm only ticking at 39-43%.

I have a nForce2 board and aggressively timed Corsair RAM. When compared to a KT400 board and unknown RAM (CAS3... perhaps) I wouldn't have expected a 20% advantage.

First try different drivers, like ASIO mode.

Then try tweaking your RAM settings.
Xavier
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/07/27 22:29:23
(gratuitously trimmed... :)

ORIGINAL: wogg

...Somethings not quite right with that number there...

...First try different drivers, like ASIO mode...

...Then try tweaking your RAM settings.


Thanks for the tips wogg. Does seem a little odd. I haven't tried tweaking stuff like that cause I haven't really needed it. Was planning on trying to get the ASIO drivers running (one goal for this weekend). I'll try the RAM timings too. Have to pop the hood and try to figure out what brand RAM I have too. gotta be a bottle-neck somewhere...
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/11 14:32:41
Here are my numbers from an Athlon 64 2800+ :

AMD Athlon 64 2800+
MSI K8N NEO PLATINUM
1GB Kingston Value Ram (2x512MB)
Apollo Radeon 9200 64MB AGP Video
Western Digital 80GB 7200rpm ATA100 System Drive
Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm ATA133 Audio Drive
LG DVDR
Antec 380w standard Sonata "quiet power"
M-Audio Firewire Audiophile
ASIO

46.4ms........31%
23.2ms........33%
11.6ms........38-39%
5.8ms..........47-48%
2.9ms..........64-66%
1.5ms..........Dropout

Edit: had the wrong video card listed
< Message edited by feadhel -- 8/14/2004 9:59:18 PM >
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/12 05:20:09
What sound card? Using WDM? ASIO?

-S
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/12 09:02:04
M-Audio Firewire Audiophile
ASIO
midimal
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/13 04:49:38
Okay - hier are my results:

MB: Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939
CPU: AMD64 3500+ 1GB dual channel DDR-400RAM
in a singleCH mode only / the 2nd 1GB RAM missing :(
VideoCard: Matrox DH450 32MB
Soundcard: RME-HAMMERFALL / lastest driver
WinxP Pro (SP1 still isnt installed) and wasnt fresh WinXP install (I let setiup prog repair the WinXp after mainboard/cpu/ram exchange to avoid installing everything)

Asio
46,4ms __25-26%
23,2ms __27-28%
11,8ms __31-32%
05,8ms __40-41%
02,9ms __54-55%
01,5ms __87-89% (wondering why so high! must be the bad driver from RME!)


BTW.I dont like the test that much (without real miditracks and audiowaves!) The results will be completly different, if we would run some midinotes over DXis while playing some audiotracks. In my opinion it would be better to use the demo file(How we do) which contains already a lot of wave files) and insert there some DXis and real miditracks /using Dxi/

Anyhow - i like my results:)
I will repeat the test if the system runs in dual channel mode (waitng for new RAM)

Cheers
< Message edited by midimal -- 8/13/2004 5:06:10 AM >
tazman
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/13 04:58:46
what temps are running for cpu and system?
midimal
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/13 05:03:07
ORIGINAL: tazman

what temps are running for cpu and system?



CPU @ 19-20°C (No progr/bios settings too slow down the CPU-Fan :( )
But that is what BIOS says after reboot (dont have any prog under windows)
< Message edited by midimal -- 8/13/2004 5:08:46 AM >
tazman
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/13 08:20:59
If those are the real temps, wow!!! Never seen something that low on an A64!!!
midimal
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/15 10:39:13
If those are the real temps, wow!!! Never seen something that low on an A64!!!


Same here - was also wondering how low they are!
The CPU-Fan (CPU AMD64 3500+orginal from AMD) seems to run @ full speed! The temperatures are shown by bios (gigabyte Socket939)

Cheers
wogg
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/15 14:39:52
That temp can't be right, it's below room temperature (68F for the non-metrics).

Power on any kind of passive heat sink will always raise the temperature above ambient temperature, so either that temp is wrong or you need to add a log to the fire in your igloo.
midimal
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/15 18:04:09
Just checked some forums!
It seems to be general problem with the temp info on this mainboard

Quote:

for the CPU and 4C for the board..
I know this cant be right I am also seeing these same temps using Nvidia
nvsystemutility. I am hoping future BIOS updates will fix this..Anyone else
seeing these low temps? Thanks.

hello ,
i have this board/cpu combination (and 2*512 mb Corsair XMS400C2 ram)
since the last saturday.
It is very stable ( no crashes) and very fast.
But i have a little problem with it: i don´t belive , that my 3500+
cpu is only 18°C cool. The board displays this incorrect value , and
some tools.
I hope they will fix it in the next bios ( i have write to gigabyte).
The most onboard features i have disabled ( no
/sata/audio/marvin-gb_lan -im using adaptec 29160 scsi/audigy2zs) so
i can´t say anything about it .
I think - it is a goog board. Anyone knows something about my
temperature problem ?


nope ,
cpu temperature = 17° (bios & aida)
aux temperature = 25 ° (bios & aida)

i have here now something about 30° degrees in my room -
the displayed values are incorrect....



END OF QUOTE
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/20 21:49:32
Here is an update on my performance. All I've adjusted is setting mem to 1T

AMD Athlon 64 2800+
MSI K8N NEO PLATINUM
1GB Kingston Value Ram PC3200 DDR400 (2x512MB)
Apollo Radeon 9200 64MB AGP Video
Western Digital 80GB 7200rpm ATA100 System Drive
Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm ATA133 Audio Drive
LG DVDR
Antec 380w standard Sonata "quiet power"
M-Audio Firewire Audiophile
ASIO

46.4ms........30-31%
23.2ms........33%
11.6ms........37-38%
5.8ms..........46-48%
2.9ms..........63-64%
1.5ms..........96% Dropout

Not a major biggie, but something..
< Message edited by feadhel -- 8/20/2004 9:50:53 PM >
Selbalicious
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/08/22 01:28:23
LAPTOP --- LAPTOP -- LAPTOP

Okay, I've been quite the lurker here for awhile. Finally things opened up for me to consider a laptop and I took JoePaz's advice and checked out the eMachines M6810. Interestingly enough, I too have a M-Audio Firewire 410 (just like Joe), so this should be interesting. Does the M6810 outrank the M6805 like it probably should (although the 6805 is nothing to complain about in my opinion...looks solid!).

wow...wOw...and WOW! This laptop ROCKS! Apparently back in March or May (I can't remember), Gateway took over eMachines (but kept the label for brand recognition) and now they are respectable machines. I know that the one I purchased from my local BestBuy yesterday (for $1500 with $250 in rebates that made the total $1250) is simply too beautiful for words (can you tell it's my first laptop?? and I have 4 other machines down here in my studio!).

Anyway...it seems to have quality guts (like AMD 64 3200+ processor, 512 Mb of RAM (soon as this expensive laptop RAM comes down..if it ever will..this box will have 1 Gig), and an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 with 64 Mb of video RAM. I could ramble further...but you probably want the specs.

eMachines M6810 Laptop with stock everything (except the OS):
Athlon 64 3200+ Mobile processor
HT technology
512 Mb RAM (PC2700)
60 Gig HD (Hitachi)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
On-board AC97 sound card
M-Audio Firewire 410
Windows XP Pro SP2
Sonar PE 3.1.1

You can see the specs of the laptop for yourself at:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6810

Okay, with the sick pathetic onboard AC97 Realtek soundcard (I couldn't get the latency slider to go directly to the same points that Scott did, so you'll have to interpolate a little...also, no ASIO drivers as far as I can tell, so these are WDM drivers - also, buffers = 2, I/O buffer size = 64):

40.1ms 37%
30.1ms 39%
20 ms 41%
10 ms 44%

and that's as low as I could move the slider. Wow! Coming from my existing desktop DAW (an Athlon 1800+ (1.15 Ghz) with 1 Gig of RAM and the Firewire 410 hooked to it), I would regularly be up in the 75% range with 2 tracks so this is definitely getting better!!

I then hooked in the M-Audio Firewire 410 and here are the specs for that:

46.4ms 37%
23.2ms 39%
11.6ms 44%
5.8ms 52%
2.9ms couldn't drag the slider this low
1.5ms couldn't drag the slider this low.

It is interesting that the sucky onboard AC97 soundpuke card has some decent results. Maybe my Firewire 410 wasn't as fast as I thought it would be? Doesn't really matter though, because both sound avenues are better than what I had AND it's on a laptop!! Yee stinkin' haw!!

Now realize that this is on a fresh install of WinXP Pro SP2 with a fresh install of Sonar 3.1.1 PE and nothing else. I haven't even had time to work with a song yet...so these are very empirical numbers with no real working experience to go with them (in terms of working with a number of different types of songs and tracks and such), so on the surface it would appear that this laptop should work well for my needs, but if it's one thing I've learned in the DAW world, ya just never know!!

I had wireless networking running as well as Symantec antivirus and I would usually turn these and all other similar extraneous services off. Plus I haven't stripped out unnecessary services, system sounds, etc., yet, so mayhap I should do all that and then test again and see if I get better numbers....forgot about all those things in the Sonar FAQ that help you turn off unnecessary CPU hogging things.

Hope this helps!
< Message edited by Selbalicious -- 8/22/2004 1:44:46 AM >
tazman
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/22 09:15:28
The latest on my system:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+
MSI K8N NEO PLATINUM
1GB Corsair TwinX Ram PC3200 DDR400 (2x512MB)
Matrox G450 Video
Western Digital 40GB 7200rpm System Drive
Maxtor 200GB 7200rpm Audio Drive
Dual CRT 21"
Enermax 480W PSU
2 x M-Audio Delta 1010's in WDM mode


11.6ms........34-35%
5.8ms..........39-42%
2.9ms..........49-50%
1.5ms..........70-75%

Cheers,
midimal
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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/08/23 02:40:47
11.6ms........34-35%
5.8ms..........39-42%
2.9ms..........49-50%
1.5ms..........70-75%


Hmm.. i got worse results with AMD3500+ 2GB RAM(2x1GB modules for Dual Channel) and RME-Hammerfall with latest ASIO-drv (especially @ low latency) Not to mention , that the mainboard is 939 Slot-board with dual channel (FSB @1600!!!) So why the hell do I get worse results then you?? I thought the maschine will rock da hause

05,8ms .....40-41%
02,9ms .....54-55%
01,5ms .....87-89% (wondering why so high! must be the bad driver from RME!)
< Message edited by midimal -- 8/23/2004 2:45:28 AM >
timboe
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/08/23 06:58:03
Hi robc / tazman

(4) four quick questions if I may about your new DAW:-

=> are you running FAT32 or NTFS on your hard disks ?

=> is there a specific model of the Corsair RAM you are runnning ?

=> what are your DDR Ram latency settings in the BIOS set to ?

=> what are your results using ASIO driver mode ?

TIA,
Tim
< Message edited by timboe -- 8/23/2004 7:00:41 AM >
tazman
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RE: In Responce To Roger2004 2004/08/23 07:57:58
ORIGINAL: timboe

Hi robc / tazman

(4) four quick questions if I may about your new DAW:-

=> are you running FAT32 or NTFS on your hard disks ?

=> is there a specific model of the Corsair RAM you are runnning ?

=> what are your DDR Ram latency settings in the BIOS set to ?

=> what are your results using ASIO driver mode ?

TIA,
Tim


= >NTFS

= >Corsair TwinX [if I remember right it is:CORSAIR TWINX1024-3200C2 2X64X64 400MHZ 2X512MB (MATCHED PAIR) CL2 DDR DIMM W/HEAT SPREADER]

= >I am not in front of my DAW right now so I can;t tell you the latency setup. I did not tweak at all, just loaded the optimized defaults in the BIOS.

=> I have not tried with ASIO drivers in a long while. I much prefer WDM ones. I'll try to run the ASIO and see, but I seem to remember that I get similar performance. (I had only tried 64, 128 and 256 buffer size in the Delta Panel)

Cheers,
Troels
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 15:42:37
Athlon64 3400+ Newcastle L2 512kb @2.41GHZ
MSI K8N Neo Platinum
2GB DDR PC3200 unbuff. crucial
Riva TNT2 64 Video
Enermax 431w PSU
2 IDE drives
Frontier Design Dakota

ASIO:

1.5ms 78-85%
2.9ms 49%
5.8ms 34%
11.6ms 26%

This is a bit disappointing to me, I had expected scores down there with
FX51 and the older 3400 Clawhammer with an L2 of 1mb...
I can still return the Newcastle for the Clawhammer, should I????
tazman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 16:28:20
I would have thought you'd get a bit better than what I am getting on the 3200+. Mine is a CLawhammer, but I would doubt that would make a difference. Infact the Newcastle runs faster and the cache should not make any difference as far as audio apps. Have you tried loading the Optimized defaults in the BIOS?
< Message edited by tazman -- 8/23/2004 3:29:38 PM >
Troels
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 17:21:59
ORIGINAL: tazman

I would have thought you'd get a bit better than what I am getting on the 3200+. Mine is a CLawhammer, but I would doubt that would make a difference. Infact the Newcastle runs faster and the cache should not make any difference as far as audio apps. Have you tried loading the Optimized defaults in the BIOS?



Thanks Rob, the optimized defaults brought the score down to 76-80% @ 1.5ms. Still far from Scott's FX51 below 60% score @ 1.5......
Any other suggestions as to what will help, anyone?
< Message edited by Troels -- 8/23/2004 4:23:47 PM >
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 17:57:21
I thought you couldn't get yer board working..

On the MSI site people say "switch it to 1T immediately, the default 2T suxxors", but it hasn't made a big difference in mine.

I have yet to enable "optimized" however.. chortle chortle
Troels
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 18:33:41
ORIGINAL: feadhel

I thought you couldn't get yer board working..


I couldn't until this morning.....

On the MSI site people say "switch it to 1T immediately, the default 2T suxxors", but it hasn't made a big difference in mine.


Thanks, I'll try that imediately.

I have yet to enable "optimized" however.. chortle chortle
Troels
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 18:47:03
ORIGINAL: Troels

ORIGINAL: feadhel

I thought you couldn't get yer board working..


I couldn't until this morning.....

On the MSI site people say "switch it to 1T immediately, the default 2T suxxors", but it hasn't made a big difference in mine.


Thanks, I'll try that imediately.

I have yet to enable "optimized" however.. chortle chortle



Allright, that brought it down to 69-78% @ 1.5ms, cool!
Can we get it any lower??
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 19:01:50
With optimized settings in BIOS.. (and 1T timing)

AMD Athlon 64 2800+
MSI K8N NEO PLATINUM
1GB Kingston Value Ram PC3200 DDR400 (2x512MB)
Apollo Radeon 9200 64MB AGP Video
Western Digital 80GB 7200rpm ATA100 System Drive
Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm ATA133 Audio Drive
LG DVDR
Antec 380w standard Sonata "quiet power"
M-Audio Firewire Audiophile
ASIO

46.4ms........30-31%
23.2ms........33%
11.6ms........37%
5.8ms..........46-47%
2.9ms..........62-64%
1.5ms..........93% Dropout

The only big deal there is that the 1.5ms setting *almost* works.. with a gentle OC I could probably pull it off!
favance
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 19:06:04
Echo Audio ASIO Driver

Multiprocessor
46.4 25%
23.2 28%
11.6 32%
5.8 40%
2.9 56%
1.5 N/A w/Layla ASIO Drivers

w/o Multiprocessor
46.4 28%
23.2 30%
11.6 35%
5.8 43%
2.9 60%
1.5 N/A w/Layla ASIO Drivers

Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
2GB Kingston KVR400X64C3AK2/2G 2GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 Memory
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor Prescott 3.2GHz
2 Raid-0 Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB Serial ATA 10,000RPM Drives
Echo Audio Mona
tazman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 21:58:04
We need to verify that some of those guys getting very low CPU usage are not Over Clocking their machines...
tazman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 22:04:33
What is this 1T, 2T? Where in the BIOS?

Thanks,
Troels
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 22:16:00
ORIGINAL: sarcazm

here's results of Centrino (755) HP nw8000
2ghz with 2 mg cache on AC power
1 gig ram
60 gig 7200 hd
Win XP Pro
Indigo i/o

46.4 - ~27
23.3 - ~27
11.6 - ~30
5.8 - ~35
2.9 - ~44
1.5 - ~64

ASIO4ALL (Soundmax)
unable to test as Sonar don't like the inbuilt card

might test with my 410 to see if there's any difference later.

Rather disappointing actually, I was hoping for better.


Hey, thats a very good score for an intel machine.
Only 2 other intels are able to do 1.5ms and @ 64 % you are down there with the Athlon 64 3400+, and way below the P43.2.
I'm speculating it has to do with the 2MB cache.
feadhel
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/23 22:26:22
My motherboard is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum.. if you have that, go into the Cell thingy in BIOS, first selection has to do with your RAM, in that list will be the timing, set as default at 2T, but if your chip(s) can handle it, do 1T.

If you don't have the same board, I don't know how to begin to help you!
tazman
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/24 07:18:30
Actually since I have a Clawhammer, that option is not available in the BIOS on the MSI board... Thanks
aj
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/24 07:40:25
Wow! I think I can speak for everyone hear in saying, thanks very much for going to all this trouble. This is excellent stuff.

Interestingly, this confirms my current thinking that

(a) If you want a laptop for music production, the Pentium M (Banias or Dothan) is clearly the superior choice, given that its performance is so good and power consumption so modest.

(b) The Athlon 2800XP makes a damn good cheap and cheerful workstation, when you look at how much cheaper a machine based around this CPU will be compared to the high-end Pentiums.
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/24 13:16:39
Hey, thats a very good score for an intel machine.
Only 2 other intels are able to do 1.5ms and @ 64 % you are down there with the Athlon 64 3400+, and way below the P43.2.
I'm speculating it has to do with the 2MB cache.


At actually has a lot more to do with the fact that its a Centrino, and not a P4. Centrino is a great chip.

-S
MichaelV
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/24 15:10:07
Wow. Almost 39,000 hits and around 365 Replies For Your post Scott. It's a big community here !

Okay, Hi and thanks to everyone's help here especially Scott Who makes me understand why my system keep producing POPs and Clicks while Recording, just 1 midi track (from out board gear) to audio trak. And also why the Audio is drop out ! Your contributions help me to build a better performance system in future to cope it with Sonar 3.

Here is my system

2x512 Mb DDR400 Memory (Pc 2700)
1x512 mb Corsair
Memory mode Dual Channel
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (2 CHIPSET BASE) 32MB Ram
Samsung Syncmaster 21 GL (Monitor)
MSI K7N2 Delta L Mother Board.

System disk:
1- 112 GB 7200 Western Digital IDE
1 - 120 Gb 7200 Western Digital IDE (2 partitions)
Adaptec Firewire IEEE 1394 (PCI card)
mLan 1.51 driver

Yamaha 01X (Digital mixer)
Windows XP Pro SP1
Sonar 3.1.1.1
Project5

ASIO
Testing at 256 K I/O Buffer. Catches, Dither on, ( trigger and free wheel produce indentical

scores )

2.2 Dead meat
3.5 ms 70~73%
5.00 ms 58~62%
6.00 ms 54~56%
7.00 ms 50~51%
10.00 ms 45%
15.00 ms 39~47%
20.00 ms 37%
30.00 ms 34%
40.00 ms 32%

It's a little out of context here but I take this opportunity to ask any one if you see Sonar does (While recording a 1 midi track from out board gear) Suddenly just from 5 to 6 % CPU compsumtion, it spike up to Warning zone 80~85% CPU Then the audio drop out! - And this audio track got POPS and Clicks. (256 k I/O buffer, latency set at 15 ms. (Achived all other trak while recording) Do You have the same problem like me ?


Cheers
Michael V.
MichaelV
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/24 15:14:15
Sorry ! Forgot the main thing!

Athlon AMD 2800+
Michael V.
v42x
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/25 06:03:51
S3PE
AMD Athlon 1.33GHz
Gigabyte GA7DR Motherboard
768MB PC2100 DDR
32MB AGP Video
Maxtor 40GB 7200rpm ATA133 HD
WindowsXP Professional SP1
Audiophile 2496

46.4ms........no go
23.2ms........nowt
11.6ms........nada
5.8ms..........zip
2.9ms..........gar nichts
1.5ms..........you gotta be joking right

there must be something wrong with my pc - cheap RAM perhaps? still, it does what i want, and a vast improvement on a Porta-One
phyl
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/08/25 14:49:28
Scott,

I'm having a system built using the ECS 755-A2 motherboard and AMD64 3000+ chip. I'll run your tests once I get it and post the results.

How significant is the fact that my MB has only a 400MHz FSB? How will this affect performance? I'm also curious about the 3000+ having half the cache of a 3200+.

In any event, I'm sure it will be an improvemoent over my Dell P4 1.8 Ghz (845 chipset). SONAR 2.0 ran fine on it, SONAR 3.0 brought it to it's knees.
< Message edited by phyl -- 8/25/2004 12:50:53 PM >
Troels
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Athlon 64 Clawhammer beats Newcastle for low latency audio performance. 2004/08/29 16:47:58
Athlon 64 3400+ Clawhammer speed 2.2ghz, L2 cache 1024 KB.
SONAR Test 3 score @ 1.5 ms: 57-63%.

Athlon 64 3400+ Newcastle speed 2.4ghz, L2 512KB
SONAR Test 3 score @ 1.5ms: 69-78%.

At 11.6ms the performance is identical. The Newcastle might have an
advantage at
higher latencies.

The processor is the only difference in hardware and settings.

The Clawhammer runs a couple of degrees Celsius hotter than the Newcastle.

Troels
drophit
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/02 23:58:03
I can not move the slider past 10 ms using WDM drivers why is this?
ReedMyLips
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/03 15:22:46
HP/Compaq nw8000 with 1.8GHz Pentium M
1GB RAM
Dual 60GB mobile drives (slow)
M-Audio MobilePre w/ASIO drivers (WDM don't work well)

17.4 = 30%
5.8 = 37%
2.9 = 50%
1.8 = 66%

Pretty decent for a portable, I guess. Need a good audio interface and a firewire drive, what do you think?

After posting I noticed I have a similar system to sarcazm with similar results. Can't beat a portable studio like this. Haven't used it to do "real work" yet after upgrading from a lowly Pentium III portable and CWPA 8.x.
< Message edited by ReedMyLips -- 9/3/2004 3:26:57 PM >
ReedMyLips
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/03 15:29:35
ORIGINAL: sarcazm
here's results of Centrino (755) HP nw8000
1.5 - ~64
Rather disappointing actually, I was hoping for better.

Really!? I'm pleased as punch with the results of the nw8000. Is it possible to get significantly better results with a portable?
Patrice Brousseau
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/03 21:34:21

46.4ms........no go
23.2ms........nowt
11.6ms........nada
5.8ms..........zip
2.9ms..........gar nichts
1.5ms..........you gotta be joking right

there must be something wrong with my pc - cheap RAM perhaps? still, it does what i want, and a vast improvement on a Porta-One


I agree with you, there's something wrong with your system. My specs are similar to yours, except maybe the RAM, and I can go go as low as 5.8 ms... See by yourself:

-WinXP Home sp1 (dual-boot: one uncluttered and optimixed for DAW and the other for internet and Office)
-MSI K7T Turbo LE
-Athlon XP 1600+ (1.39 gHz)
-768 Mb of PC133 SDRAM
-Echo Mia with latest drivers (6.08)
-Maxtor 40 gigs 7200 rpm for system drive
-Maxtor 80 gigs for samples (on his own IDE)
-Matrox G450


This is on the Internet boot with WDM:

46.4ms.....56%
23.2ms.....58-60%
11.6ms.....69-73%
5.8ms.......91-92%
2.9ms.......Audio engine refuse to engage

Added: Same values on the DAW only boot...
< Message edited by Patrice Brousseau -- 9/3/2004 9:37:20 PM >
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/04 00:01:37
Wow... I missed this post before. How can you possibly be disappointed with those numbers? The 2GHz Centrino with 2MB of L2 is performing exactly like a 2GHz Athlon64. Pretty amazing.

-S

ORIGINAL: sarcazm

here's results of Centrino (755) HP nw8000
2ghz with 2 mg cache on AC power
1 gig ram
60 gig 7200 hd
Win XP Pro
Indigo i/o

46.4 - ~27
23.3 - ~27
11.6 - ~30
5.8 - ~35
2.9 - ~44
1.5 - ~64

ASIO4ALL (Soundmax)
unable to test as Sonar don't like the inbuilt card

might test with my 410 to see if there's any difference later.

Rather disappointing actually, I was hoping for better.
jlgrimes
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/09 10:39:28

Testing is simple...

Open Sonar... Set default sample rate to 44.1KHz (important to do this). Set latency to, say, 46.4ms (For consistency's sake, try to use ASIO drivers if you have them available... otherwise, WDM is okay)... and then open the test file. Make sure the audio engine is active, and note the CPU meter reading. Do the same at 23.2ms, 11.6ms, 5.8ms, 2.9ms, and 1.5ms. Keep in mind that on many systems, the audio engine may refuse to engage at the lower latencies. Make a note of that as well.

If you have a Dual-CPU system... or one with Hyperthreading... or both... post results with Sonar's Multiprocessor Engine both on and off.

Along with your results, post detailed system specs, and I'll try to put together some detailed charts mapping out the performance of various CPUs at various latencies.

Thanks ahead for all of your help with this!



Now... this is a nice bonus to having a web-based forum. I can update this top post at will in order to keep updated results readily available to all. Here's what we have so far (this will be updated as new data comes in):

CPU Chart
CPUs are listed in order of low-latency performance.
Blue Lines represent Intel systems.
Green Lines represent older-generation single-CPU AMD systems.
Red/Pink Lines represent new-generation single-CPU AMD systems.
Yellow Lines represent multi-CPU systems.
Dotted lines represent multi-CPU systems with Sonar's MP capabilities disabled.



-Scott


< Message edited by Scott Reams -- 1/20/2004 2:39:37 AM >

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Does the operton 248 perform as stated with one processor or was two identical processors used in that test?
Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/09 13:53:00
Does the operton 248 perform as stated with one processor or was two identical processors used in that test?


All multi-CPU systems are labeled "DP" on the chart, and have solid yellow lines as described. That would mean two processors.

-S
TonyOConnor
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/09 21:23:56
3.06GhZ without HT turned on.

46.4 = 26%
23.2 = 28%
11.6 = 33%
5.8 = 42 - 43%
2.9 = 63%

Racked:
Gigabyte 8INXP (E7205 -- Granitebay) motherboard
P3.06Ghz HT
1 Gig DDR (2 dimms pc3200)
2x36Gig 10Krpm Western Digital (SATA) Raptors in 0Raid configuration
1x80Gig Maxtor 7200rpm UDMA 133Mhz HDD Storage
Gigabyte MAYA II R9700 Pro (128MB DDR SDRAM, 256-bit DDR 8xAGP)
Thermaltake Valcano7 CPU fan, 1x5" front rack fan / 2x2" rear rack fans
SONY DVD_RW (DRU510A),
External Que USB CD RW
Generic CD – ROM.

XP SP2
MOTU
davidchristopher
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/13 23:16:48
Latecomer, I know:

@ 44.1/24bit:
5.8msec=77% (ouch!)
11.6msec=43%

Time for an upgrade. Seems that dual opterons are mopping up the Pentiums? Any thoughts for Sonar hardware?


Asus P4C800-E 3.0GHZ
2GB DDR (4x 512)
2 120GB 7200RPM Seagate Baracuda SATAs
1 80GB 7200RPM Seagate IDE (System Drive)
HP DVD 300e and 100i DVD Burners
XP SP2

Motu PCI 424
2x HD192
rgfors
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/09/16 03:52:20
Okay, I've now posted three different results with three different computers. My first post was with a 3.2ghz P4, the next was with a 3.2ghz P4 Extreme Edition and my new computer is as follows:

2) Opteron 250s
(2) Zalman 7000A coolers
Tyan S2885 dual-Opteron motherboard
4GB OCZ CAS2 PC3200 registered DDR (8x512MB)
ATI Radeon 64MB DH AGP Video
HighPoint 8-way SATA RAID controller
Plextor 712 series DVDRW
120GB 7200rpm 8MB system drive
(2) 160GB 7200rpm 8MB SATA samples/loops drives
(3) 160GB 7200rpm 8MB SATA audio drives in RAID5 array
(3) SATA drive sleds for audio drives
Antec 550W quiet power supply
4-space rack case (26” deep)
WinXP Pro

Here are the results:

46.4: 15%
23.2: 16-17%
11.6: 18-19%
5.8: 21-24%
2.9: 27-32%
1.5: 44-49%
0.7: CPU Warning, but will engage!

Scott Reams (Liquiddaw) built this system for me and as you can see, the performance is stellar!!
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