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New VST console emulation the "Satson"
the thread on GS is HERE I just downloaded it and will install it tonite, for $39 I said, what the heck.. got some interesting reviews on it
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/05/12 07:42:27
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I just downloaded it and will install it to nie, for $39 I said, what the heck..
got some interesting reviews on it.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/05/12 09:13:43
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/05/12 16:05:12
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LMAO, Jim!!!! to get back on topic I tried this plug last night and there is a certain "mojo" to it,I notice the VUs respond higher than my VCC.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/05/13 19:48:39
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Yup the Satson looks to be a bit of a winner on GS forums. I'm going to stump up for it over the weekend, but first i need to arrange to get everyone in to get this bloomin recording done.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/05/14 23:07:30
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I have just bought and installed this plug in and yes it does sound good. Also the VU thing (musicman100) is probably due to the fact it defaults to showing -18db FS as the reference.
The only thing is that it can only be set for either -18db FS or -14db FS as the reference levels. I use the K system for example and the only level that it works with in terms of K levels is -14db FS.
So with that in mind the VU's (in Satson) are very accurate when set to -14db FS and if you are also running your system at a K reference level of -14db which is what I do a lot of the time.
The sound seems quite subtle but noticable at the same time. Very nice plugins. More practice required here for sure to get the full advantage out of it.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/01 12:45:58
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Hi all,i just bought and installed on my last prj in mix session.I don't believe it......add dimensional perception without become harsh and give a natural soft saturation used like a console emu.I want try to finish all ITB in this prj. I will post my impressions. Very very nice. And finally at the right price.Slate digital VCC is very overpriced ,my opinion. We hear more of these developers! best Roby
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/01 15:12:05
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musicman100
the thread on GS is HERE I just downloaded it and will install it tonite, for $39 I said, what the heck..
got some interesting reviews on it
I said what the heck too. I hope it's better than Slate's VCC.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 01:07:19
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So far, what's your impression on Satson? How useful is it?
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 12:40:07
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The meter was the only feature I liked. prefer VCC w/o question.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 16:09:42
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Quick question. Are you guys using on mix bus only, individual tracks only or both?
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 17:06:00
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tracks on tracks all routed the to mixbuss
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 17:26:04
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I have been using it for a while now and I tend to use it in mastering mainly but there is no reason to not use it in any stage of production. It lifts the very top end a bit so be aware of that. Or it does with me anyway. It is one of these things you have to do a controlled AB test with and ensure the levels are the same and compare. To be honest I like it more often with it in. I think FAT might be pushing things a little too far (over a clean well mixed mix) but on a buss doing dome light crunching it could be fabulous. I am about to master an album that has been very very well mixed and as such will require minimal alteration I should imagine. I am wandering about putting Satson over some of these mixes as well. If it brightens slightly then I may EQ the mix prior (digitally) with some gentle HF roll off to compensate. The top end of the mixes is perfect now. I have also got access to a Smart C2 compressor for a week or so. Anyone used that in a mastering situation? I would be keen to hear from anyone who has. I have read a review or two that basically said it was total heaven with it switched in. Maybe that as the compressor and Satson over the mix as well might be the ticket.
post edited by Jeff Evans - 2011/09/21 17:28:36
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 22:28:11
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Would you still use this and something like Nomad's magentic?
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Jeff Evans
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 22:39:50
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Hi there Kroneborge. Well that is a good question. I suppose what Satson is trying to do is to recreate some analog buss sound of a console. There are some similarities with a tape saturation plugin (n sound) so for an answer to your question it might be no in the case of the album I am about to master and that is because the mixes are well balanced, quite robust yet delicate at the same time. (if you can imagine that) So putting those two plugins over this mix might be a bit overkill.
Once again I would compare unprocessed to the Satson and the tape sim patched in and see how it compares.
But on another louder more crunchy mix both of those processes might work well. I think the content of what you are about to master determines in a way what the signal chain is going to be.
Thanks for reminding me of the fact I have got a pristine working Revox B77 and I could always send some mixes over and back to that as well to see what comes out too.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/21 23:43:40
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Kroneborge
Would you still use this and something like Nomad's magentic?
I don't use Magnetic but Waves Kramer Master Tape which I use on channels/ tracks; guitars, vocals etc.. You can definatley use both together. The Satson like other chanel console emu's (such as Slate Digital's VCC) was designed for mixing each individual channel & track of your project into the single master channel (with the Satson buss on it ) That's the key, to feed all the channels/ tracks together to into the master buss & summing them all together to get characteristics of a console, crosstalk etc.. I don't think you'd get much benefit mastering a single 2-track source mix with a single instance of Satson but you could. Certainly stems could benefit from using it.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/22 21:53:49
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Well, maybe I will give it a shot. For $39 it's hard to go wrong. I know I've really been digging the magentic. It adds some sparkle to the mix, and things just seem to fit better.
I'll be interested to compare it to the UAD emulations if I can ever convince my wife to let my get a UAD 2 quad!
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/23 11:26:16
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Kroneborge
if I can ever convince my wife to let my get a UAD 2 quad!
Just tell her "it's the last thing I'll ever need".  Oh yeah, and the $2500 pool of plugs too. 
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/23 18:49:17
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Well, I'm hopeful. I just signed the paperwork and sent off for some digitial distrubution on a website that specializes in my type of music. Maybe if I can actually make some money it would be an easier sell, lol
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/24 20:54:29
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Well, I got it and am trying it out. So far, I'm liking it along with the tape. I put it on each channel, and then the buss on the master before magnetic. I figure that's probably how the signal flow would be.
I didn't notice too much on regular, but once I bumped it up to fat mode, it really stood out.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/25 00:13:02
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carl:
I don't think you'd get much benefit mastering a single 2-track source mix with a single instance of Satson but you could. Certainly stems could benefit from using it.
Yes you do because what is the difference between a stem getting the benefit or the Masterbuss, both the same thing. And you can even import your final mix into a separate session and apply Satson there over the total mix and it still does its thing and rather well might I add.
Kroneborge I find that even without the FAT setting I can definitely hear the difference with it being in (more so over a whole mix) especially if you do a carefully controlled AB test. It seems to add a little brightness among other things. FAT is good over maybe a stem but I have found it is not so good over a delicate well balanced mix though. It can be too much. If you are putting it over every track why not send those tracks to a buss and apply one instance of it there instead. It does not seem to use a lot of CPU resources anyway.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/25 01:05:20
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carl:
I don't think you'd get much benefit mastering a single 2-track source mix with a single instance of Satson but you could. Certainly stems could benefit from using it.
Yes you do because what is the difference between a stem getting the benefit or the Masterbuss, both the same thing. And you can even import your final mix into a separate session and apply Satson there over the total mix and it still does its thing and rather well might I add.
Not the same thing. Stem mixing, using multiple stems (commonly called submixes) not mixing a single stem. It does benefit mixing multiple stems or tracks using Satson channels on each into a single Stason mixbuss. I also tried using it on a single 2 track mixes & didn't find it very benefical. That being said I stopped using Satson altoghther & prefer VCC. I'm getting great results using their Trident console. If Satson works for you though I think that's great. Everyone tracks & mixes differently, it's the end result that matters.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/25 02:35:06
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Hi Carl, yeah thanks for that. I think what you have done is point me towards the Slate Digital stuff and in particular the VCC. If you say the VCC is better then I will take your word for it. I can hear Satson over a two track mix for sure and I do quite like it. But as you say the VCC might be a lot better. But it is expensive though. I am about to master an album and I am looking to compression right now anyway. I am not even sure if analog console emulation is what I need in this case. The mixes are really beautiful anyway and don't need anything really. I have got access to a SMART C2 compressor and I am going to give that a shot. I have been talking to Danny Danzi about it on another thread. What the Slate Digital stuff might be good for is their new limiter though. That could be amazing. In fact it was only this mastering job that got me thinking about Satson anyway. And our discussion has got me thinking in fact I don't need any analog console emulation at all and you are correct in what you say. I am using Satson the wrong way and for the wrong reasons. It seems you have some experience with analog emulation. In terms of mastering all this has been done anyway! I have never felt any overpowering desires for analog console emulation in terms of my own mixes although what you have been saying has perked up my interest in that and I thank you for that. I might look into VCC as you say.
post edited by Jeff Evans - 2011/09/25 03:27:52
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/25 08:04:56
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Jeff Evans
Hi Carl, yeah thanks for that. I think what you have done is point me towards the Slate Digital stuff and in particular the VCC. If you say the VCC is better then I will take your word for it. I can hear Satson over a two track mix for sure and I do quite like it. But as you say the VCC might be a lot better. But it is expensive though.
I am about to master an album and I am looking to compression right now anyway. I am not even sure if analog console emulation is what I need in this case. The mixes are really beautiful anyway and don't need anything really. I have got access to a SMART C2 compressor and I am going to give that a shot. I have been talking to Danny Danzi about it on another thread.
What the Slate Digital stuff might be good for is their new limiter though. That could be amazing.
In fact it was only this mastering job that got me thinking about Satson anyway. And our discussion has got me thinking in fact I don't need any analog console emulation at all and you are correct in what you say. I am using Satson the wrong way and for the wrong reasons. It seems you have some experience with analog emulation. In terms of mastering all this has been done anyway! I have never felt any overpowering desires for analog console emulation in terms of my own mixes although what you have been saying has perked up my interest in that and I thank you for that. I might look into VCC as you say.
Hi Jeff, I won't say it's 'better than' but rather I get better results using VCC. There are no rules & as Duke said "if it sounds good, it is IS good." VCC is more expensive & uses ilok2 which is a big turn off for many. To say they've had many problems getting it to function correctly with PACE would be an understatment. As I said if it works for you then that's what matters, but I prefer using these types of console emu's on multiple channels & mixing rather than at the mastering stage. VCC is being featured on Octobers issue of SOS, you may want to check it out. [link=http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct11/articles/slate-vcc.htm]http://www.soundonsound.c...articles/slate-vcc.htm[/link] If your mixes already sound great then that's 99.9% of the battle won. I send my music out for mastering but I do my own test ones prior to help hearing problems in the mix itself. I use the FG-X limiter on occasion, mostly on driving or rock tunes, don't care for it on acoustic/ quieter type material. I don't use 2buss compression for my test masters, the VCC Trident is wide & I like my mixes that way. However when sent out I'll let the ME do what he hears best for the song (within reason!) -c
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/26 13:45:10
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Kroneborge I find that even without the FAT setting I can definitely hear the difference with it being in (more so over a whole mix) especially if you do a carefully controlled AB test. It seems to add a little brightness among other things. FAT is good over maybe a stem but I have found it is not so good over a delicate well balanced mix though. It can be too much. If you are putting it over every track why not send those tracks to a buss and apply one instance of it there instead. It does not seem to use a lot of CPU resources anyway.
Jeff, I'm not quite sure what you mean. I put the indvidual channels one each track, and then the buss one on the master (I thought that's how it worked, but I could be wrong). I'm not sure what the difference is between putting in on a bus, or putting it on the master. Unless you wanted to do both. Also, I just turned the fat on the the master. I really couldn't hear much of a difference without it on. But that could be from any number of things. Bad ears, or just the mix. Note, the song I put it on it still being created. So the mix is still in the works. I've taken to putting effects like magentic on at the start, because I tend to mix all the way through my projects, and that way, I'm working towards a finished product the whole time. I guess for my type of music it's hard for me personally to separate the creative and mix processes.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/26 14:24:32
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Kroneborge
Jeff, I'm not quite sure what you mean. I put the indvidual channels one each track, and then the buss one on the master (I thought that's how it worked, but I could be wrong). I'm not sure what the difference is between putting in on a bus, or putting it on the master. Unless you wanted to do both. Also, I just turned the fat on the the master. I really couldn't hear much of a difference without it on. But that could be from any number of things. Bad ears, or just the mix.
Note, the song I put it on it still being created. So the mix is still in the works. I've taken to putting effects like magentic on at the start, because I tend to mix all the way through my projects, and that way, I'm working towards a finished product the whole time.
I guess for my type of music it's hard for me personally to separate the creative and mix processes.
I think that that's what Jeff meant - I too thought that you meant that you were using the buss plug on each track and enabling the fat mode on each of those individual tracks. (Jeff, if this isn't what you meant, sorry about that.) So in theory, you are taking the proper approach. In regards to the fat mode (and pretty much anything that'll saturate or color the sound) - just my 2 cents, but usually, I opt for a conservative approach - that is, set up the coloration to a point where you can start hearing it and then dial it back a little, to a point where it's merely noticeable when you enable or bypass the effect. Judging from my own experience, if I set something to really hear it, I'm probably overdoing it and this becomes obvious once I listen to that stuff after a certain period of time. That being said, that's just me.
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/26 21:37:15
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Yes, that's how I use a lot of effects normally (reverb etc).
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/27 09:25:31
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SO a quick Query, If I am using Slate, Satson, or SkNotes console emus...(I have all three to choose from ) lets say I have 12 instruments tracks, 4 submixes(with some respective instrument tracks sent to a sub,, and one master.. put the respective channel plug on each of the 12 instrument tracks put a buss on each of the four submixes then another buss on the master? SOme of the emus, such as slate allow you to group a channel to a mix plug, I am not sure how the satson or sknote does it of if they even do, or even if that matters .. I also read the console emu should be the first plug in the bin in order before any other fx...
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Re:New VST console emulation the "Satson"
2011/09/27 10:03:14
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With VCC you can insert the channel anwhere as long as your gain staging is correct. For tracks I compress into (an instance last in the fx bin) all going into one instance of the mixbuss on the master out.
Sometimes I'll mix stems (submixed drums-bass/ gtrs/ keys/ vox) each an instance of VCC, again into the Mixbuss. For that I have group presets so I can mix/ match consoles & mixbusses with one turn of the knob.
Don't overthink VCC, stick it on you channels, vol & drive at 0. Mix them into a single mixbuss & bounce. Do another bounce with them off.
A/B
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