New Vocalstrip plugin

don't hear anything when I put the "listen" mode on for the de esser part of the plugin

change the threshold
Cj

Ok now it's weirder. Now I left it for a few sec's in the "7 oclock" position to see what happens and Im hearing high freq's there and still nothing when actually set on high freq's. It's like backwards

Yeah, with the de esser activated, I throw the listen mode on to check for the most offending freq but the freq's are backwards from what's being read on the screen. For example I'll put it like 3khz but I'm hearing sibilant freq's there. And if I actually put it on the higher freq's that are usually the cluprits I hear nothing

The listen switch, as wicked sez, is to her what is being taken out of your signal.  What is de-essed.  If you hear a lot, you are probably cutting to much into your output signal.

Firstly: listen modes allow a monitoring of what is being attenuated when in "normal" mode. just like a sidechain monitor. You should hear something very easily when in listen mode and it should sound offensive and pretty high freq, especially when the focus dial is set some where in that high range.
 

 
 
Not necessarily. De essers can be subtle and not heard. It depends on the audio file and the settings. With due respect, the dither may not have no effect on some audio files. It depends on the frequnxcy range of the audio file (vocal) and the de-esser.
 
When a de-esser is working properly, you should not notice it.
Cj

Oh I meant De-essers.. Not dither. ill edit my post
Cj

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Yes, I read the post.  And no de-esser I've ever used the "listen" function with passed a lot of sound - unless you were abusing it.  It is usually a band pass filter set around 6 kHz.  Hopefully there isn't a lot of energy there and it only suppresses the ssses and such.  there shouldn't be much sound there - just what is too much, making the sound hard, and no fundamentals.

On the new vocalstrip I listened to what it was suppressing and it wasn't much.  Very mild, less than other de-esses.  Prehaps you should just use a notch filter if you want to get rid of all that slithern (sp) speech that is bothering you.

Well passing a lot of sound and what im referring to are very different. I never said that or any general idea like that. If the threshold is set on a de esser and you're in listen mode you should hear the siblant sound you are trying to tame and in listen mode it should sound harsh or sibliant, which is why youre using this in the first place. Listen mode shows you what youre removing and should in an obvious way but it should not frequency rich or broad but specific to a slither of freq and not  constantly. Thats what im driving at.
 
 Now the issue at hand im having which is being overlooked for some reason is the settings and what is heard are backwards. Id like to confirm if anybody else is havin this issue

CJaysMusic

the threshold is set on a de esser and you're in listen mode you should hear the siblant sound you are trying to tame and in listen mode it should sound harsh or sibliant

Not really. Threshold is only threshold. Threshold has nothing to due with the frequency. Threshold is for determining when it activated the de-esser and when it shuts off. De-essers are more complicated than that. yuo just cant raise and lower the threshold and think its going to fix or effecta vocal or audio track.
Cj

Please point out to me where I said threshold is anything but. I never said anything of the sort. However, threshold is very related to how the de esser will behave once you set the frequency you find is offensive. As you said activate the deesser and shut it off. LOL My goodness, you are tellin me things that are not related to my issue nor im not aware of. Why do you keep doing that?  its really strange you keep picking things out out of context and interpreating them as me not understanding a de esser.
 
Since you took my quote out of context :"the threshold is set on a de esser and you're in listen mode you should hear the siblant sound you are trying to tame and in listen mode it should sound harsh or sibliant"   this was assuming you already found your frequency at hand. I mistakenly assumed youd understand that was implicit because again imnot tryin tofigure out HOW to use a de esser.
 
Please MOVE on from what a de esser is. I know what it is.
 
I need somebody to either verify or deny this issue im having. Preferably more than one person.

John


I used it on a few vocal tracks and it works as it should.  I did try the "listen" mode to get an idea of what was being processed and it was a very tiny bit of the audio stream that I heard infrequently. I believe that is the way it should work. I don't understand what you are trying to say about it, Somsto.

John,
 
What I am saying is my issue is a label problem.
 
On my system x64 Vista with 8.5.1 x 64, the frequencies spectrum seems reversed from what the freq dial is set on.
 
 So if I visually set the freq dial on like 3K I hear sibilance freq like 7k - 9k range, again dont know exactly because obviously Im having this issue. When I actually, visually then set the freq dial on a freq in that upper range I dont hear anything (again confirming what im hearing by using listen mode).  

I have noticed the same thing using the De-Esser on the new vx-64. The freq. dial has to be turned way to the left to hear the sibilance on some lead vox in listen mode in one of my projects. This isn't where I would expect the frequencies to be needing adjustment either.  I would expect them to be in a much higher range. 

This may just be my own idea of where I think it "should" be though, cause doing some quick searches on sibilance, you will find that it can be generally found anywhere from the 2 to 10 kHz range, so the dial on the vx-64 set pointing straight left at the wall isn't too out of the question when it reads that it is working in the 4 kHz range.
Could be just the way Cake set the dial up, since the lowest setting is 2 kHz, going up to 12 kHz.

Just my thoughts
Tim

Glad to be of help, you guys analysis is way more in depth than mine on this one, just off the cuff guesses here. I would love to know what the final consensus is on this.

Tim 

Totally subjective here, using my ears and fiddling with the dials, but vx-64 does seem to be handling the track different than the spitfish de-esser from digitalfishphones. Take that for what its worth, could mean nothing and just be me.

Tim

Sonar 8.5.1 Vista 32 Ultimate.

For the time being its so-so just guessing going by sound. But I do hope theres a fix for this sooner than later

In the section where the frequency bands are shown you can click on the deesser tab to see what frequencies are being modified. Also it says what frequency is being effected. Here in this example its 4.95 kHz.

If its a 64 bit issue I can't be of any help. However you seem to think that one should not listen to what the plugin is doing. I believe that is not the right way to use it or any other plugin.  When I was finding the point where the essing was most effected I did not watch the plugin at all just the knob turning. I was carefully listening to what was happening. I couldn't care less what the visuals are saying. That to me is only an interesting side issue. It has no meaning to the end results.  

Now I will admit I may not understand the issue here because it has worked for me as I would expect it to.

Hi somsto75,

You're not crazy :-) But I think that there is a fundamental difference in the way that a number of DeEssers work.

Many older-style DeEssers operate by first splitting the frequency bands, then limiting the upper band, so the burst of high frequencies doesn't blow-over the rest of the signal.  The problem is, just as often, it degrades the overall crispness and clarity of the signal (as the "sizzle" reaches a certain level).

Many newer generation DeEssers are somewhat smarter in that they work harder to detect or isolate a true "S"-pop and suppress it as a whole.  In your case, when you turn the frequency knob too high, you're confusing the DeEsser as to where the "S" is.  If some of the "S" bleeds into the lower band, it can be confused with non-"S" signal, and the DeEsser may end up suppressing nothing at all.  FWIW - older-style DeEssers would always remove something in this case (i.e. the higher-frequency portion of the "S"), but again, this often came at the expense of crispness and sizzle.

Question to the group:  Which mode do you expect/prefer?  Does older-style DeEssing have its place?  Would you want both modes?

~Bob