biomech
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New gear for X1 Producer
Hi there, as Im newbe to Sonar and this forum please forgive me simple questions. I'm going to buy new PC and interface dedicated for X1 Producer. I was thinking of : mainborad: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R processor: i7 960 24 GB RAM (windows 7 64-bit of course) 2 x 2TB Hard drives to make it as RIDE some grapihcs. I would really appreciate your opinions on what interface should I buy? I need Audio input channels (at least two), SPDI/F-(v.important), MIDI, phantom voltage, balanced monitor outputs. What would you recommend? thx to yall.
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Peter Morrison
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 12:27:50
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Hi biomech. It sounds like a nice bit kit you are investing in. I use a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 and that is as sound as a pound on my system
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sykodelic
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 12:29:18
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 13:36:30
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check out M-audio Profire 610
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 15:26:46
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based on your build specs i would lean towards a pcie card based system. I would not recommend firewire(fading technology) or really USB for that matter even though I have heard great things about the babyface. I also have a focusrite saffire I picked up this year for mobile recording. good card but my 8yr old RME is still more stable.
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 16:03:56
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I'd go RME, not a fan of M-Audio...
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 16:15:25
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Since you haven't put a price on purchase I would suggest: Lynx. Old pci connections, newer pci(e) or usb now. be prepared to start at $1000 - their new Hilo stereo interface is $2500. Too rich - RME Babyface, $750. The TC Konnekt stuff is right up there or close in sound, tho RME has better drivers. But the Twin is FW, 4X4 w/ digital for $500. At the bottom of the price pile but still superb sound is the Konnect 6 for $200. I don't know if it has digital i/o, but is a stereo unit w/ one good preamp. @
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 16:38:58
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I guess it depends on how many inputs you want, and what your budget is... I'd suggest going with one of the offerings from Roland Quad or octa-capture, or the V Studio 100 If you can go RME go for it too... Great drivers (Roland too) But RME is better I hear But the integration with the VStudio is nice... I have one and enjoy using it as a control surface
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 17:23:39
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I guess it depends on how many inputs you want, and what your budget is... I'd suggest going with one of the offerings from Roland Quad or octa-capture, or the V Studio 100 If you can go RME go for it too... Great drivers (Roland too) But RME is better I hear But the integration with the VStudio is nice... I have one and enjoy using it as a control surface I think there may be something like 2.2ms RTL difference between the RME Babyface and the Octa-Capture BUT I know you can buy the Octa for 549 (if you ask for a discount I don't know about the RME) if not the RME will cost you 749 bucks. Plus the VS drivers are very good and the Roland stuff is made to work with Sonar... the RME has two inputs, the Octa has 8 or 10 if you count the line inputs. The Octa has 8 independent preamps, the RME has two but some say the RME pres are cleaner and the converters are better... but frankly I think this gear has gotten to the point where we may be splitting hairs until we get into a completely different price point... and even then technology has gotten so good that it is becoming hard to produce a sub standard product. I think the biggest thing, considering the tech available is the time put into the drivers... and I think both the Octa and the Babyface have excelent drivers. I think that the quad-capture and the VS-100 have the same drivers and converters as the Octa but if you look at the specs you will see slight differences. I am pretty sure that the Duo-Capture has lesser drivers and converters and maybe the VS-20 is lesser too. I am 99% sure tat the VS-100, VS-700, andOcta-Capture have comparabe drivers and converters,,, maybe te quad too. You can add 8 more preamps (with independent phantom power) by adding another Octa-Capture and the software/computer will see it as one device if you want to use ASIO drivers. You can add eight more preamps to the Babyface by adding an ADAT interface to the BF.. I am not sure but I think the computer/software will see it as one device too. I think they both have midi I/O so a keyboard controller could either be used alone via USB with ASIO drivers but then you couldn't use the ASIO drivers (at that time) with the Octa-Capture.. but you could IIRC connect the controller through the Octa and use the OCTA ASIO drivers I assume the same with the RME. So, if you need mre inputs, either ELR or TRS and independent phantom power I think the Octa would be best. If you want slightly less RTL and a little bit cleaner preamps and converters (but for 150 to 200 bucks more... but only two inputs (The RME has a hiZ input but it disables one of the XLR/TRS inputs when you use it so you still have a max of two inputs unless you add an ADAT unti).. the RME may be better. I am happy with the OCTA-Capture... and if your computer will handle it your RTL will be lower with higher sample rate. From what Ihave been told RTL will be cut in half by doubling the sample rate so if youcan run 24/96 your RTL of (again IIRC) 7.2ms will drop to 3.6ms.. or there about. I also like the auto sensing on the Octa-Capture... it is great for the inexperienced like me, one less thing to get wrong... at just the wrong time... and mess up everything. I think the Octa has S/PDIF but not ADAT. I think the RME has both. And again... the Octa is Roland ...Cakewalk is Roland... but, that said... I am looking at the Alpha track as a controller over the VS-100 because of the price difference... but have not decided. So... if I got some of this wrong... someone stepin and correct me, I am no expert but I have been doing my honework. Anderton on the Octa=Capture http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2746804-Roland-Octa-Capture-Interface-Now-with-Conclusions You might consider a smaller SS drive for X1 since it copies cllips and loops from the drives where they are stored... and use the two big drives for storing projects and files... just a thought. Julien
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 17:41:40
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the alphatrack is a sweet little controller for Sonar. The vs looks pretty cool but the price is really high I think for what you get. Unless you need all the faders the alphatrack gives you alot of contol for the price. If I was going to go RME and it was a desktop I would lean towards the multiface II over the babyface.
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 18:02:31
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Thank you all for responses! So, after this lesson from you all, I think I'd go RME Multiface II, or Roland octa-capture. But I got some lame questions... There is no 48V in RME so I need some preamp to record condenser mic's right ? And - is the Coaxial input at Octa-capture same thing as SPDIF ? thx once again, You all are very helpful!
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 18:49:56
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It's expensive as hell, but I really like the Cakewalk VStudio 700. Before I bought it though, I was using (still using through ADAT) the maudio profire 2626 and loved it. The preamp knobs can be touchy on it, but it worked really well. And you can usually find em for around $550. I have seen tons of problems with the cheaper audio interfaces, specially the usb ones like the maudio fastrack. I'd stay away from those. I've never used the RME, but it looks pretty sweet. Best of luck. The Audio interface is probably the single most crucial decision. I've been plagued with driver issues with past hardware and things like that, so I hope your choice does you well!
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 21:11:58
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 21:33:30
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So.. you are a newbie to Sonar... go with the Octa-capture, learn using the auto-sens feature and yes it is S/PDIF. The link t the Craig Anderton review should have lots of info and he will answer any questions you might have. It is a solid unit. Don't overspend but don't underpsned either. Dn't pay 599.00 for the Octa, ask for a better price. You should be able to get it for 549 from some online out of state dealer with free shipping and no sales tax. Good mic, good monitors, Sonar, and a good interface. Don't overthink.. (I'll be happy to do that for you) and don't overspend. All the specs and info here: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1127&ParentId=104 http://www.recordingmag.com/productreviews/2011/05/51.html " The OCTA-CAPTURE is a 1U rackmountable tabletop interface that offers ten channels of audio input and output: eight analog plus stereo S/PDIF digital (and MIDI). The eight analog inputs, four on the front panel and four on the rear, are all XLR/TRS balanced combination jacks, and the first two can be switched to handle Hi-Z inputs like guitars." J
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/04 22:02:31
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I can run my Octa-capture (usb) at 24/96 at 1.0ms and 96 samples. At 24/44.1 it did the same but 48 samples. ???? Great bit of kit.
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biomech
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/05 04:20:25
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Hi there, new day here, new ideas :] So, could you guys please compare : RME Multiface II - will have to buy some preamp, but I feel it's most pro - Am I right ? V Studio 100 - got everything I need, this is deticated to Sonar, also it's portable and stand alone (maybe will use it somehow) Octa-capture - if I choose V studio 100 octa will be my optional system extension in futre. thx again
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/05 06:31:03
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GA-X58A-UD3R I tried the GA-X58A-UD3R but had difficulty getting it to accept DDR3 1600 ram up to 12 so I SWITCHED To GA-X58 ud5R. This worked better for not much more money. I also suggest an RME UC for an interface if you only need 2 pres. rock solid clock, great drivers, pres and converters. great support. INMHO RME entry level blows the doors off the saffire stuff and much 0f the new mid to high end focurite. Ihope this helps It,s just my opinion as I've used all of these products.
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/05 06:51:28
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biomech Thank you all for responses! So, after this lesson from you all, I think I'd go RME Multiface II, or Roland octa-capture. But I got some lame questions... There is no 48V in RME so I need some preamp to record condenser mic's right ? And - is the Coaxial input at Octa-capture same thing as SPDIF ? thx once again, You all are very helpful! I picked up a cheap 48volt convertor from Studio Spares.
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/07 11:17:55
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I had an octa-capture but frankly it was overkill for me (no drums, just recording bass/guitar with drums all on VST). So I decided to try Native Instrument's Komplete Audio 6 USB based, I think it has everything you need and is a magnitude less expensive. Beyond specs, some intangible pros/cons: pros: Solid unit, nice and well built metal, good knobs/etc Driver installation was a breeze USB power, great for portability cons: some advanced users have complained that some internal routing options are limited while reviews have been almost all positive, NI doesn't specialize in audio interfaces like RME I got mine for US$265 for what it's worth
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Re:New gear for X1 Producer
2011/06/07 12:28:49
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2 x 2TB Hard drives to make it as RIDE I'd seriously think twice about having 2 drives in a RAID array as your only storage, unless you were thinking about using mode 1 instead of 0. Even then I'd have 1 2TB drive as the main storage option, and the other as a backup drive, just in case. And if you have the spare cash, look at a 40gb SSD as your OS drive. Plus, you could get 2 - one for the OS & one for the X1 install where you keep the projects / vst's - and use one of the 2TB drives for samples, bounced audio files, etc...
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