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New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray" new mix version 1/6/12
Hi all! It's been a very long time since I posted a song and even longer since I posted an original. This song itself was conceived about 2 years ago and almost 2 years ago I asked several forum members to help out on this one with spoken word of the Lord's Prayer in different languages. Credits are all listed below. The intro is quite long, please bear with it because it will make sense when you get through it. New mix version 1/3/12 NEW MIX 1/6/12! I brought the bass down just a little more and fixed a few vocal places. http://soundcloud.com/beaglesound/when-i-pray As always, comments are always welcome! thanks for your support! NOTE: edited credits -------------------------------------------------------- Credits: Part forum name Real Name Hatian Creole Philip Philip Traynor Simple Chinese YeaLy Traynor Latin biodiode Adrian Earnshaw (spoken by his mother) German mgh Mark Haigh French mgh Mark Haigh Welsh rob.pulman Rob Pulman Japanese bent4life Ben Dorman (spoken by his wife Tomoko) Argentinan guitarhacker Herb Hartley via cell phone from Argentinan village Melanesian Pidgin Janet Janet Wohlgemut PNG Abelam Janet Janet Wohlgemut Bass Guitar Beagle on Motif Organ Beagle on Motif Drums Superior Drummer NY Avatar kit Lead Vocals Beagle Backing vocals Yvonne Utz instruments not listed were performed by Band in a Box.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 20:44:11
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Hi Beagle! :-)
Very classic sounding song. Love the mood! Very 'Zager and Evans' in some ways. The separation of the backing BG's is great! Organ's at a good level! Nice switch to the major at the end! Nice nice nice! Bring up or envelope support your lead vox a bit. Louder is better - be confident!
Kick is almost nonexistent - you gotta bring up all the drums : Snare x 15% Kick x 35% Toms x 23% Hats x 15% Crashes/Rides - 25%.
Bass is a hair boomy. Nice tone, but boomy - reduce volume and frequency adjust with slope down in the 20-80Hz range. Boost the 210-250 (Q of about 3.5 or so) and a notch at the 800hz level and 1 through to the 2khz range a notch on that area somewhere too. Dip the mud from all the areas in between the boosts mentioned, and you'll have it sitting nice, I think.
Great message! Very powerful song. I have to listen to more of your stuff.
You have a great year buddy!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 20:56:17
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Very Cool, Reece.
Bass seems too boomy to me. Drums could be crisper.
I'd raise the Lead Vox 1 or 2 db.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 21:24:11
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I can't comment on the mix (notebook). I agree w/bap on the drums. I like the idea of the song. I may change up the chorus a little.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 22:07:11
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Neat song here, Reece. Great lyrics to this one!
There seems, to my ears anyways, to be a bit of boom going on though and I would like to hear the lead vocals up a bit as well...
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 22:12:28
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fantastic guys! I appreciate the listens and the comments!
I've already made adjustments based on your comments.
Martin - adjusted the drums based roughly on your estimates, especially the kick. changed the bass and cleaned it up a lot. Thanks a lot! I appreciate the comments! have a great year!
baps - thanks so much for the listen and comments! I brought the lead vox up about 1.5dB and adjusted all of the drums. hope it's better now. thanks so much!
robby - thanks for the listen and comments! already uploaded a new version with adjusted drums, thanks for that. and I understand your suggestion about the chorus, but I'm not likely to change it at this point, "it is what it is." thanks very much for the suggestion, tho. I do appreciate it!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 22:13:34
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Neat song here, Reece. Great lyrics to this one!
There seems, to my ears anyways, to be a bit of boom going on though and I would like to hear the lead vocals up a bit as well...
thanks Barry! you probably heard the first version before I changed it based on the previous comments. I've cleaned up the bass and drums and increased the lead vox. let me know what you guys think on the new version! thanks!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 22:20:00
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I heard the first version. Then I got a phone call before I could post. I went back and listened to the updated version. The first version was good, but I like the changes, too. It sounds more polished now.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 22:46:52
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I missed the first version. Bass is sitting nicely. Strong presence, but not boomy at all.
Cool concept. I like the way it all comes together.
I really like the confidence in your delivery, Reece. This is miles above what you have done in the past.
Way to go!!!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 23:13:35
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Oh definitely sounds way more polished!! I like how you kicked the vocals up here..I want to hear you sing!! Great voice...
Love the lyrics!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/01 23:52:10
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Beagle, Very good, catchy tune. Very creative intro and repeating multi-lingual motif. I really liked the song and the message. Regards
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 07:44:02
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Cool. I like it.... I will listen later on headphones since on these computer speakers the bass was still booming a bit and the drums were not crisp as has been mentioned.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 08:06:21
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I really like the transition from the multiple prayers and the song form... that seemed really powerful in a deep rooted way.
all the best,
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 08:15:06
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Great concept. The song is very nice and the bass sounds fine on my 2:1 PC speaks. The drums do lack luster as mentioned. The bass level could go down just a little and the drums can come up a little IMO.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 08:59:13
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LOL what an all-star cast! Great job on this Reece and everyone else that was involved. Totally loved this. Agree with Scotty above with his comments as that's how I too heard things. Really nice job though...this was a great listen and concept. :)
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 09:40:18
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Beagle, Very good, catchy tune. Very creative intro and repeating multi-lingual motif. I really liked the song and the message. Regards
Thanks Mark! thanks for listening and the great comments! that's exactly the reaction I was hoping for from listeners! Old55
I heard the first version. Then I got a phone call before I could post. I went back and listened to the updated version. The first version was good, but I like the changes, too. It sounds more polished now.
Thanks Jan! I've made a few new changes that I'm about to upload now based on the new comments. I appreciate the listen and your kind words! thanks! RobertB
I missed the first version. Bass is sitting nicely. Strong presence, but not boomy at all.
Cool concept. I like the way it all comes together.
I really like the confidence in your delivery, Reece. This is miles above what you have done in the past.
Way to go!!!
Thanks so much Bob! I know you've heard some real stinkers from me in the studio, too, so that's really a great compliment!  The bass was boomy in the first version, the 2nd version that you heard was not as boomy, but maybe a little too hot, so this new version I'm about to upload has dropped it down a smidge (not much). thanks again my friend! trimph1
Oh definitely sounds way more polished!! I like how you kicked the vocals up here..I want to hear you sing!! Great voice...
Love the lyrics!
thanks Barry! I appreciate it more than you know to hear those kinds of comments!!! check out the latest version if you're not tired of hearing it! I've cleaned up the drums more and boosted them and dropped the bass a little.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 10:02:06
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Reese, I like the song. I did n't know what to expect, because I have not heard anything from you in quite a while. I really like the concept though. Vocals sound good, the first 2 verses it seemed like the vocals could come up just a touch though. I thought the vocals in the chorus's sounded like they were at the right level.
Good tune brother! I saw you listed over at CSN, but have n't posted there yet.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 10:08:27
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Hey Beagle. Speakers, rooms, amps, everyone gets a little different sound. With my listening setup the bass is still too boomy and I think the kick drum still needs to come up some more. Also, on the final chorus/outro I thought your voice was a bit bright.
Have you considered automating some pans of the voices to make them move around in the sound field? I've heard that effect applied nicely with this type of sound to allow the individual parts to be discernable without muddying each other up.
Glen
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 10:43:00
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LOL what an all-star cast! Great job on this Reece and everyone else that was involved. Totally loved this. Agree with Scotty above with his comments as that's how I too heard things. Really nice job though...this was a great listen and concept. :)
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Thanks Danny! I appreciate the comments and the listen! I'm working on it again to incorporate new comments! Guitarhacker
Cool. I like it.... I will listen later on headphones since on these computer speakers the bass was still booming a bit and the drums were not crisp as has been mentioned.
one more vote for boomy bass and uncrisp drums. gotcha. thanks herb! I appreciate the comments! mike_mccue
I really like the transition from the multiple prayers and the song form... that seemed really powerful in a deep rooted way.
all the best,
mike
Mike - thanks very much that's exactly waht I wanted to get across! Scottytunes
Great concept. The song is very nice and the bass sounds fine on my 2:1 PC speaks. The drums do lack luster as mentioned. The bass level could go down just a little and the drums can come up a little IMO.
thanks Scotty! I appreciate the comments and I'll work more on the drums!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 10:45:38
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Nothing I can add that has not been pick up on already at this point. Thanks for sharing.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 11:16:48
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Good idea well realized Reece. You're in fine voice on this, excellent vocal performance.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 11:25:15
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Excellent stuff Beag And congratulations to all involved. And I agree with James, your voice sounds great - really powerful.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 11:50:07
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Nice song and nice recording. May the force be with you.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 12:00:00
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Nothing I can add that has not been pick up on already at this point.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks John!! I very much appreciate the listen and comments! MakeShift
Reese, I like the song. I did n't know what to expect, because I have not heard anything from you in quite a while. I really like the concept though. Vocals sound good, the first 2 verses it seemed like the vocals could come up just a touch though. I thought the vocals in the chorus's sounded like they were at the right level.
Good tune brother! I saw you listed over at CSN, but have n't posted there yet.
Hi Michael! thanks so much for the listen and comments! yes, I've not posted any original music in a very long time - maybe over 2 years. I have posted a couple of covers in this time, but not originals. I normally do 2 "types" of song, Contemporary Christian like this, and "Worship songs" which I have several "in the pot" right now and will be finishing those up in the next few weeks/months. they're a little different than this one, obviously. I did increase the lead vox a little more here. thanks again for the listen and comments! gcolbert
Hey Beagle. Speakers, rooms, amps, everyone gets a little different sound. With my listening setup the bass is still too boomy and I think the kick drum still needs to come up some more. Also, on the final chorus/outro I thought your voice was a bit bright.
Have you considered automating some pans of the voices to make them move around in the sound field? I've heard that effect applied nicely with this type of sound to allow the individual parts to be discernable without muddying each other up.
Glen
yeah, it's diffictul to get a good mix that translates on all platforms! I have increased the kick some more, so check it out now, just uploaded a new mix again. but the kick now is thumping pretty hard on my system, so I hope this will satisfy everyone at this point. I did not consider moving the pans of the vocals, I've done that on another song before, but not this one. thanks for the suggestion.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 12:33:32
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Hi Beagle how many mics did you have to plant in the pews to get those praying sounds , very catchy at the beginning of the song . The drums didn't do too much for me but all in all I think you got the message out to all your listeners about the power of praying . Good job ! Radio
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 14:05:57
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Nice job man, been waiting to hear how this was going to turn out. I really liked how you constructed the beginning when all the different translations of the same prayer kicked.
Good job on vocals, nice voice you have.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 15:15:19
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Nothing to add to the comments above. Danny is right --- you've got an all star cast on this one. Ecellent job on the vocals -- not over sold, not screachy, the notes are not held too long --- just right.
Very nice job indeed.
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 15:36:36
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Hi Beagle how many mics did you have to plant in the pews to get those praying sounds , very catchy at the beginning of the song .
The drums didn't do too much for me but all in all I think you got the message out to all your listeners about the power of praying .
Good job ! Radio
James, all of the prayer voices were either done directly by forum members here or they were recorded by the forum members of friends of theirs. see the credits list for the complete info. Thanks for listening and the great comments! I appreciate it! jamesg1213
Good idea well realized Reece. You're in fine voice on this, excellent vocal performance.
thanks so much James! I am honored by your comments on my vocals! I appreciate it! SteveStrummerUK
Excellent stuff Beag
And congratulations to all involved.
And I agree with James, your voice sounds great - really powerful.
Thanks my strumming friend! I appreciate it very much! you are too kind! Lynn
Nice song and nice recording. May the force be with you.
ha! and may you live long and prosper! thanks for the listen and kind words!!!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 17:21:39
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Nice work on your song.
I am glad you are making good use of the voice lessons.
Sounding strong sir!
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Re:New song from Beagle Sound! "When I Pray"
2012/01/02 17:33:42
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Cool idea and song, Reece. The last minute when there is the answer/call with the bg singers is terrific. They should come up more.
Your voice is just way too loud on the choruses.
And it is cutting me somewhere in the 2.2k range. Really needs to be tamped down.
+1 on the kick and snare. It could be a cool effect to have them distant like that in the background, but are way too wide presently to pull it off.
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