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New sound card
Hi People I think I might need to replace my sound card and wondering what my best option is. Something in the £100 or less would be ideal. My current card is an emu 0404 pci-e and for the last month I have been getting crackles and pops that have become progressively worse and the last few days has become completely unusable. In truth the crackles have been happening for the last 5 or 6 months on and off but recently have become seriously bad and consistent. It only crackles when I have my Pod X3 Live turned on but there's nothing wrong with the Pod X3 and I'm fairly sure it's not the spdif cable although I would be much happier if it were. I took the emu out just now and had a look and I can see quite clearly around the two bits that plug into the board there is a brown patch which obviously suggests over heating and possible burn out so I guess it's time for a new card. I just spoke with a guy at Digital Village here in Bristol UK and he recommended the focusrite Scarlett 2i4 for £149 which is a little more than I'd hoped to pay and so I was wondering what the general opinions were with these cards. He also said that no one buys internal cards these days as they are outdated and have been superseded by the firewire and usb cards that run much better at zero latency. Is this true or just sales talk ? It's been a while since I've researched these things as my emu has served me pretty well for the last 5 or 6 years but things change. My needs are small, 2 in - 2 out with good low latency and midi capability so if there are other cheaper options that are equal I'd like to hear about them. It's very annoying as apart from the spdif problem the card works perfectly so if anyone wants to buy one and doesn't need the spdif it's going cheap Although it's a shame to say goodbye to the emu I guess one good thing in getting a usb/firewire interface would be that it's portable and if I ever buy a laptop for recording away from home I won't need to buy another interface so that could be a big plus, every cloud as they say Thanks for reading Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 10:11:38
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Steve, I just got the 2i4 last month after reading a lot of reviews and recommendations from Sonar users, I have to say, this is totally worth it!!! The pre-amps, very low latency, and most importantly, great drivers/customer support.....it's an excellent choice. I also have the same small needs as you in the useage and this fits all your requirements. It's worth paying the extra money........look at this as a "fairly" long range plan, and a good interface with good support will keep you happy for quite sometime. My biggest concern was driver support (since I'm using Win 8) when I was looking for an interface and I have to say Focusrite does a great job.....never had a single drop out, pops, clicks, motorboating etc...and never had to reinstall the drivers since the initial installation (I had multiple problems with my Line6 Toneport driver before getting this). Go for it I say!!!
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 10:27:24
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Thanks Mesh So much for taking advice, I went out and bought it anyway as I couldn't wait for a response so I'm now sitting here and have it installed and running. First slight disappointment that I had assumed would come as standard but there's no spdif input which is how I ran my Pod X3 into my Emu. It's not a major deal but I'm told it's the best way for signal clarity but I'm sure the difference with my guitar is negligible. The other problem I'm having when in sonar is a high pitched hum that, if I lower the latency changes to a lower pitched hum. Could it be buffers ? It's only there in sonar right now but I've only had it running for about half an hour so will try sound forge, windows media and other things but I think it might be sonar related. If I disengage the audio engine in sonar the humming stops. Thanks for the advice Mesh Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 10:43:20
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I haven't experienced that hum or any oddities at all after getting this.......you can try lowering the buffers to 32 or 16 (I think the default might be 64)......if that doesn't work, possibly increase them to 128.....you might have to do a bit of trial and error testing. I'm pretty sure it's something in Sonar that's causing this and not the interface itself.
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 11:46:17
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Be sure you are using ASIO drivers with the focusrite. I had an 0404 and I was so glad to get rid of it.
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 12:35:27
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I've changed buffers all the way from 16 to 256 but it's not made any difference. It is in ASIO. The only thing so far that has had any effect is as I said, raising the latency changes it from a high pitched hum to a low hum. Confused. It's not terrible and once I press play I can't hear it but I'd like to get rid of it still. Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 12:48:34
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 12:53:01
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Am I missing some software ? I had thought there would be some proper control software for the scarlett but all I have is the driver which opens up the same asio control panel that sonar does. Where do I set the sample rates and other stuff in the 2i4 ? Steve I'll go through the list next Mesh thanks. Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 12:58:42
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twaddle Am I missing some software ? I had thought there would be some proper control software for the scarlett but all I have is the driver which opens up the same asio control panel that sonar does. Where do I set the sample rates and other stuff in the 2i4 ? Steve I'll go through the list next Mesh thanks. Steve
I'm not at my machine now, but IIRC, when you installed the drivers, it should have installed a Focusrite folder under Windows Start > All Programs > Focusrite. Inside that folder, you can adjust the sample rates and I believe some latency settings.
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 13:00:16
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Ah ha, I set the buffers up from 256 to 512 and that seems to have done the trick. Thanks for your help Mesh and Guitarhacker Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/25 13:08:31
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twaddle Ah ha, I set the buffers up from 256 to 512 and that seems to have done the trick. Thanks for your help Mesh and Guitarhacker Steve
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/26 18:44:30
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For a few more dollars you should have purchased the 6i6. It has 3x the features for only a little more cash. In my store here in Canada this was $230. See if you can return it and upgrade. It has the SPDIF and comes with the Mix contol software. It is also powered properly with a wall wart. A friend bought the 2i2 and had noise issues. If you look this up you will find it is common with Buss Powered interfaces. The hum is due to USB grounding issues. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/906141-focusrite-scarlett-6i6.html
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/26 23:47:51
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twaddle He also said that no one buys internal cards these days as they are outdated and have been superseded by the firewire and usb cards that run much better at zero latency. Is this true or just sales talk ?
No one buys internal cards these days, because no one makes an affordable one. Very high end units are still based on internal cards. With current machines, USB is pretty close, but I think "much better" is a bit of a stretch. That said, I am pleased with the performance of my USB interface (Akai EIEpro). Like you, it was a sad day when I had to retire my trusty 0404PCI. Patchmix threw a few people for a loop, but once you figured that out, it was a rock solid performer. If E-MU was still a contender, I would mount one of their internal cards in a heartbeat when I eventually get a new PC.
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Re: New sound card
2014/03/27 07:47:32
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Cactus Music For a few more dollars you should have purchased the 6i6. It has 3x the features for only a little more cash. In my store here in Canada this was $230. See if you can return it and upgrade. It has the SPDIF and comes with the Mix contol software. It is also powered properly with a wall wart. A friend bought the 2i2 and had noise issues. If you look this up you will find it is common with Buss Powered interfaces. The hum is due to USB grounding issues. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/906141-focusrite-scarlett-6i6.html
It's tempting and I might still change my mind but it's a bit more than a few dollars more here. I paid £139 here and the cheapest I can see it is £199 so that's an extra £60 for an spdif socket and so far using the standard guitar jack from my pod X3 and if the sound quality is reduced my ears aren't hearing it. I know the 6i6 has lots of other features but I think I can get by without them. As for the humming there is a very (and I mean very) slight hum now but it's almost gone after upping the buffers in sonar. The guy who runs PMT in Bristol (where I bought the Safire) is an old friend of mine but I doubt he could do me a deal on it as they have to sell everything at on line prices to stay in business and he'd never speak to me again if I told him I was going to return it and buy one on ebay because if I were going to upgrade the the 6i6 I think I'd probably look round for a second hand one. Steve
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