Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio

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Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio

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Total newbie here to Sonar. Want to do mostly mixing of recordings that are already done. At least for now. Anyway, I have purchased Studio, and am about to upgrade computers to run it on. I want to go with a laptop, for portability. I have a very nice, existing audio system, with the receiver/amp having HDMI inputs. My question is, can I get 5.1 or 7.1 Sonar mixes to go to my amp via the HDMI (I assume laptop or desktop would not matter for the HDMI source), or will I need a PC with a dedicated 5.1 surround card with discreet outputs into analog surround inputs on the receiver? 
I really want to mix in surround, and my audio room will be a great place to do it. I just don't want to purchase a PC that is not capable of outputting it.
Any and all help is appreciated.
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio 2013/11/14 16:33:45 (permalink)
    How dense are the mixes/projects you intend to run?
    If you're talking dense projects, there's no way an off-the-shelf laptop is up to mixing extensive 7.1 surround projects.  Very roughly speaking, you're quadrupling the load of a traditional stereo mix.
    If you're serious about mixing surround, I'd consider nothing but the fastest towers available.
     
    What is your ultimate goal?
    It takes $$$ to setup a studio for quality surround mixing.  (A good stereo environment can be costly.  Now quadruple + that cost).
     
    If it's just for fun and/or you're just starting out, I'd recommend working with stereo.
    A whole lot more affordable/practical environment in which to learn/experiment...
     

    Best Regards,

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    Queball
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    Re: Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio 2013/11/14 17:09:50 (permalink)
    Jim,
    Thanks for the information. I will probably go with the tower option. I am sure that I will start out doing nothing but stereo, but want to eventually mix surround.
    It is just for fun at this point, and I am just starting out in the "mixing" interest, but I do have a pretty good environment to do it in. I have about $20K of 7.1 audio system in a studio / room that I have designed and acousticized (if that is even a word) myself (acoustic panels, bass traps, non-multiple dimensions, etc). And, I have a great source of original track material, as I have a professional jazz guitarist neighbor who has given me permission to work with his master tracks at any time.
    Thanks for your input. My first fear was whether or not I could get proper 5.1 or 7.1 playback out of the HDMI of a laptop with its capabilities. I was concerned that it would require a dedicated, very high end audio card to handle proper reproduction. You have helped solidify that decision.
     
    Thanks again, 
     
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    Re: Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio 2013/11/15 08:30:46 (permalink)
    Actually Jim is not correct (well he did say off the shelf)
    there are laptops with socket 2011 Processors in them and 4 hard drive capable. and 32 gig ram..
    every bit as powerful as a desktop
     
    he is dead on with the cost of mixing surround properly however

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    Re: Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio 2013/11/15 19:27:23 (permalink)
    Actually I see no outputs in Sonar for my HDMI or High Definition Nvidia HD Audio.  HDMI is only an output device.
    Of course I am using Sonar 7 so X1 or X2 I do not know about or if that has been changed. But I would say is if the audio/interface (you will need drivers from the manufacturer to do surround sound - Creative Labs had such drivers - but the soundcard was crap compared to an professional audio interface which with mine is only stereo) has no drivers for or included with the audio interface and those would have to have listed the HDMI device for Windows with those. Since Windows has its own driversfor that also but I use Nividia drivers for it since I have a Nvidia graphics card (perhaps my computer's HDMI is not actually hooked up and I would have to check the BIOS for that since it is a cheap computer), the only way HDMI is enabled for Windows with my setup is because of the graphics card. (the HD audio device is listed in Windows as an ouput but not in Sonar because I suppose of the audio interface drivers.)
     
    That is all I can say about that and I would have to do a lot of checking first to see if that is even possible (to use HDMI) for anything audio, since HDMI is thought of more like a video and audio sending device that I think (look it up in Wikipedia) can handle 8 channels of sound but then there may be other factors like Dolby Surround and all of that which movies have on DVD's and equipment (probably way more expensive) to do it with in the first place.
     
    Of course the Nvidia Control Panel states that I have no Display capable of handling it so it is greyed out.
    A computer monitor would have to have speakers in the monitor or an audio connection out of it to use HDMI to it in the first place and I know people play computer games and use HDMI to go to their HD TV to use like a computer monitor which also has speakers in it for the computer games (something like playing a *.mp3 file - speakers depending how good for audio sounds anyway).
     
     
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2013/11/15 19:34:29

     
     
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    Re: Newbie Question Regarding Sonar X3 (Studio) and Laptop Audio 2013/11/16 06:41:49 (permalink)
    I've worked with an under-powered laptop. It wasn't when I started, btw. In 2006 it was a decent laptop (2005?). I do still use it at times (last weekend).
     
    When working under powered, you might find yourself mixing in stages. bouncing to stems. You might remove all FX from the Master bus. Then bounce that bus to a track. Disable all other FX and mix the last track on a separate pass. I learned to do things like group the Pro Channel Power Buttons so I could enable and disable sets of Pro Channels at a single click.
     
    I'm talking about Stereo mixes here, but I would think the same would apply to 5.1 or 7.1. If you mix in stages, you can get away with less power.
     
    That said, it's a bit of a pain to do. It requires you to build up expertise you don't really need. It costs you a lot of time to work around your equipment.

    BTW, Jim sold me the PC I have now. It works great (Thanks Jim). A link to his website is in my signature. He's not the only guy selling DAWs, but he's our guy selling DAWs. If he has competition from another forum user, I don't know who it is. So, Jim is at least well researched when he gives advice. He has also been dealing with computers built for Audio for more than 10 years --- not only for himself but also for his customers.
     
    Jim will not give you bad advice in order to make money off you. He makes his money because he gives good advice.
     
    Lastly, using the computer I purchased from Jim, I not only complete mixes twice as fast -- I actually mix them more carefully because I have more time to devote to them and because I can run all my FX and Midi Channels all the time unfrozen without issue.
    post edited by gswitz - 2013/11/16 06:43:00

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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