No MIDI meters when Record is enabled?

Hi-

The MIDI meters work fine here during Recording. I use vertical meters, BTW. I don't even see an option to change that. Hmm...

-Susan

EDIT: Very long shot, but are you patched to 7.0.2?

The MIDI meters work fine here during Recording.

Susan, do you have "Allow MIDI recording without an armed track" enabled as the OP suggested? I mentioned the loss of MIDI meters with track arming in another post a little bit ago. I am patched to 7.02, and lose them the moment I arm a track, whether they are vertical or horizontal and no matter how much realestate is available to display them. Also, since the menu option for displaying them specifically refers to "playback" meters, I assumed Cakewalk intended them not to display on recording (for reasons known only to them ).

Strange.

Yes, I'm on the All tab. Turn off Record without Arming, and I think you'll see the meters disappear when you arm the track as we do.

Hmmm... I don't lose the meters if I enable recording without arming, but the meters don't register any events when recording. Tried a few other configurations like routing MIDI to soft synths instead of MIDI Out, or selecting a specific MIDI input channel, but nothing seems to make any difference.

It's not a big deal to me, either, but if it can work, I'd like it to.

I don't know what to say -- the MIDI track meters stay in view and register events during recording here whether the tracks are pre-armed or not. I guess all I can say is I'm glad it's not a big deal for either of you!

-Susan

Ah -- good information! I still have 6.2.1 installed, but the project I used to test this issue was started in 7.

Thanks-

-Susan

Brundlefly, how interesting. The project I'm working on now was indeed started in version 6... I can't be sure if it was the initial release of 6.0 or if I already had patches applied (I had reinstalled XP and Sonar late last year and didn't initially do the updates.)

I'm having another apparently unrelated problem in that same project. (FYI, all the gory details are here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1349420&mpage=1&key=��) I can reproduce the conditions on other tracks in that same project file. But when I recreate the same conditions in a file created from scratch in 7.0.2 (to the extent that's possible), the problem isn't there.

It's so hard to know what's what, with so many variables. But I think I'm generally finding that things are less stable, and with more unexplained quirkiness, in projects that started in version 6.x.x than those that are native to 7, which unfortunately includes most of what I'm working on. I'm not even sure I have a "pure" version 7 project.....

My sense is that even though I often over-taxed my computer when working under 6 (with dropouts, high CPU, etc.), it was nevertheless more stable, with fewer crashes, than my current experience with 7. Whether that's because of subtle version incompatibilities, or that 7 is just less stable on my system, or if it's just my imagination, I have no real way of knowing.

Oh well.

[Edit: bad link fixed.]

While trying to troubleshoot another problem, I came across this.

Notice how tracks 2,4,6, and 8 are all MIDI tracks, and all are armed for recording. But track 4 doesn't have a MIDI meter. If I unarm track 4, the meter will appear.



I did this in Sonar 7.0.2, and to insure that there was nothing from Sonar 6 involved, I made my Normal.cwt template inaccessible to it, since it's possible that it was either copied from my Sonar 6 installation or created from a file that was first created in Sonar 6. So the new project started without any tracks or busses, just a direct mains out to my sound card. I first inserted Session Drummer. Then I inserted the Pentagon. When I saw that it didn't have a MIDI meter, I inserted Dimension and another instance of Pentagon, both of which kept their MIDI meters after being armed. Changng the order of the tracks didn't have any effect.

The screen shot was made while unarmed recording was allowed in Global Options, but changing that setting doesn't appear to have any effect on the MIDI meters on my system.

I first inserted Session Drummer. Then I inserted the Pentagon. When I saw that it didn't have a MIDI meter, I inserted Dimension and another instance of Pentagon, both of which kept their MIDI meters after being armed.

So you let the SONAR create the MIDI tracks when inserting the synths, and Pentagon's first instance generated a disappearing MIDI track meter, but the second instance didn't? That's pretty interesting. So it may not be strictly related to old projects. Oh, well. As long as the Bakers can recreate the problem as I did, they should be able to get to the bottom of it.

ORIGINAL: brundlefly
So you let the SONAR create the MIDI tracks when inserting the synths, and Pentagon's first instance generated a disappearing MIDI track meter, but the second instance didn't? That's pretty interesting.

Yes. I let Sonar create it all of those with the Insert dialog. Now, each MIDI/synth pair were originally created in their own track folders... I removed them at some point. I'd be surprised if that was a factor... but who knows....

So, as best as I can tell, this was a pure 7.0.2 project. But could some of it might be of Sonar 6 vintage...? Was Pentagon included in 6 (I don't recall)? Did the Sonar 7 installtion overwrite the S6 installation of Session Drummer? I also have Project5 installed... and so there could be a lot of cross-pollination talking place in those generic "Cakewalk" folders.

But you're right... it's probably not worth doing a fresh install... espeically since I really need a new comp anyway... my current one is a little over 4 years old....

I have the same behavior on 7.02, too.

Not a big deal for me - I love the visual feedback of midi activity getting a track set up but once I'm actually recording it and see the data laying down in the track that is enough visual feedback for me.