No Master - An Odd Problem

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2011/09/05 16:02:02 (permalink)

No Master - An Odd Problem

I mentioned this before but still have no resolution.  Maybe someone has an idea.
 
No problem with new tracks originating in X1.  Old tracks imported from a previous version have no Master Bus.  The tracks play so they are being output to the V-Studio Main.
  • I can see Master in the Inspector but not in the consolde or at the bottom of the track view. It's not hidden--just not there.  The V-700 master fader does nothing.  (It works on new tracks.)
  • I could add a bus, call it Master, and send everything there.  When I tried that, it doubled the output to the VS-700 Main since the singnal is already routed there somehow.
  • Any solution other than creating new projects and tediously copying all the data track by track, and effect by effect?
This has not kept me from tracking, but it is going to be a major problem in mixing and mastering.
 
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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 17:02:19 (permalink)
    What do you mean by importing old projects? I just open them. They are in Sonar's native format after all. All buses are included.

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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 19:01:55 (permalink)
    The basic tracks (MIDI + RealGuitar) were created in Sonar 2.2. I didn't mean to imply anything exotic by "import"—I just opened the projects in X1, saved them under a new name, and then started extensive editing (adding VIs, redoing parts, etc.). None of these old projects have a master bus. Whatever the cause, I would like to figure out how to fix it without a major redo. Thanks.
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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 19:18:29 (permalink)
    If it was a Sonar 2 project it is a wrk file and the new buss structure came in Sonar 3. None the less it should have a buss if it did in Sonar 2. It may be that there was no master buss created in Sonar 2. Remember that in those days to create a buss one had to do so and then restart Sonar.   Often times people didn't bother.

    Well you could create a master buss in the new X1 project from the old project and select an audio's track output while holding control and selecting the new master buss. All audio tracks will be routed to that buss. Also right click on the master buss and select it as the default buss. All new audio outs will be routed to it there after. A save after will keep those settings.
    post edited by John - 2011/09/05 19:23:15

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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 19:25:24 (permalink)
    John, Thanks for the explanation and solution. I will give it a try.
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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 21:18:40 (permalink)
    Quick follow-up:

    1-I created a new stereo bus and called it Master.  The way I know how to route to it is to click in Inspector and add a send.  Not sure how the control-click thing works.
    2-Question 1: How do I tell the V-Studio that this is now the Master so the master fader controls it?
    3-How do I kill whatever output I already have?  Right now, the tracks seem to be going directly to Main.
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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 21:32:44 (permalink)
    Don't use a send unless you need it for sending to an aux buss. Use the output for the track. It should be at the bottom in the inspector or in the track header. All tracks have outputs. If you do not route them to your master they will go to your main outs even though you have a send. So the way you have it you will get double the output and at the same bypassing your master buss for its effects. Though audio will be going through it. You will get a wet and a dry signal without knowing it.

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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 22:10:37 (permalink)
    Everything's cool except figuring out how to assign the master fade on the V-Studio to the Master bus. it happens automatically on new projects that already have the master bus.
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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/05 22:17:27 (permalink)
    Can't help there I don't have a V anything. Although in the Mackie Control setup dialog there is a thing for using the ninth fader for one of the buses. I don't know if that is also true for the V series.

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    Re:No Master - An Odd Problem 2011/09/10 22:51:30 (permalink)
    This was actually easy to fix once I knew how: 1. The Master fader controls whichever bus is first (on top in track view). 2. If you want the master fader to control a different bus than the first one, just drag the orange WAI strip to the bus you want the master fader to control. 3. Of course, you can go to each audio track and select it to be output to master instead of Mains. So, in the case of project that does not have a master bus, you can rename the first bus to Master, or create a Master and drag the WAI strip to it. Hope this helps someone else.
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