No Sound From Soft Synth

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No Sound From Soft Synth

I had to re-install Music Creator 3 after my laptop caught a virus.  I opened a sample MIDI file (Ode To Joy) and I installed a DXi soft syth.  I quickly re-read how to hook up the soft synth.  I set the MIDI track output to the DXi.  I set an Audio track input to the same DXi.  Everything seems to have a channel.  But when I click on play I hear nothing and I see no volume meters blinking.  I do see the scroll moving across the MIDI segments.  I checked and my computer volume is not muted.  I can hear sound when I play an MP3 on my laptop.  I'm trying to read the user manual, but does anyone know if there is something obvious I have overlooked?  Maybe I need to select a sound card or something like that in the initial installation of Music Creator.
 
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/24 00:06:53 (permalink)
    How did you insert the synth? Which synth?
    Was that some random audio track? The MIDI track has to be directed to the soft synth, which is the audio track you need to use. There is no synth in an ordinary audio track.
     

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/24 12:23:35 (permalink)
    In addition to inserting a synth, depending on the synth, you may need to select a patch or sample for it to play. Some have default sounds and others do not. 

    Routing of signals also must be right. 

    2 tracks are involved. Midi source where the midi data is stored. And, the audio track where the synth outputs the audio.  The Synth, once inserted into a track's FX bin will show up in the MIDI tracks list of possible outputs. Select the synth you want to play. click on the midi track and hit play (spacebar) 

    If everything is set up right you should hear something. 

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 12:15:17 (permalink)
    They say a picture is worth 1000 words.  Well this picture is a little fuzzy so maybe it's worth 750 words.
     
    [link=http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL679/2627575/22832475/398641764.jpg]http://pic100.picturetrai...22832475/398641764.jpg[/link]
     
    I set the MIDI output to the Dreamstation DXi synth.  I set the audio input to the synth.  I selected a channel.  I press play and the song scrolls but no sound is heard.  I still think it's a deeper problem in connecting Cakewalk to my computer's sound output, because I just re-installed Windows and Cakewalk and I have never heard any sound from this new version of Cakewalk.  I can hear sound from everything else on my computer.
     
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 13:17:02 (permalink)
    I think the setup looks correct for the dreamstation DXi.  it's hard to tell because the picture is small and can't be resized.

    but yes, it also shows you have no output selected.  it's not a problem with the synth, it's a problem with your soundcard setup.  the DXi output is set to bus A, but bus A doesn't have an output and it needs to be set to the soundcard.  it probably doesn't have a soundcard you can select tho, or it would have chosen your default output.

    are you using your onboard soundcard?  if so, go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and click on the WAVE PROFILER button.  it will ask if you want to run it, say yes.  then it will say something about needing to restart MC (or maybe reverse that order...I don't remember).  close MC, restart MC and see if you can output from the project now.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 15:08:52 (permalink)
    Beagle
     
    I think you're onto the problem.  When I click on the Output selection from the A bus the only choice I have is New Stereo Bus.  I have a new Dell Inspiron Laptop.  I didn't install a separate sound card.  Can I use the default audio that comes with the laptop?
     
    I tried running the Wave Profiler.  It showed me a message that I would need to exit and restart Music Creator.  Then it showed a message that said "We will now perform a series of tests.  Would you like to continue?"  I clicked OK and then nothing else happened.  No progress screen.  No operation complete message.
     
    So after waiting 5 minutes with no response I closed and re-started Music Creator.  Nothing appeared different.  There were still no other choices under Output in the A bus.  Any idea what is happening?
     
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 15:34:58 (permalink)
    in that case your onboard soundcard probably doesn't have WDM drivers. 

    change to MME driver mode then let the wave profiler run again.

    OPTIONS>AUDIO>ADVANCED>DRIVER MODE = MME
    close and restart MC
    let the wave profiler run
    it should pop up a window that shows you the "modes" available and just a button that says "OK"  click it.

    now you should be able to use your laptop output in MC.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 17:29:27 (permalink)
    If your new computer is 64-bit, DX synths won't work unless you set MC to run in 32-bit compatibility mode.
    As to the Wave Profiler thing, I also had that problem ( SHS 6 Win 7 64-bit running in 32-bit mode). I click on the profiler and it hangs. Task manager showed SHS using >50% and it never finished.
    Don't know why, but it's not a problem now that I've removed SHS 6 from this computer.
     

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 19:54:05 (permalink)
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    That worked.  Now I can hear the song coming from the synth.  However, when I change the Patch selection the synth sound doesn't change.  It always sounds like a simple electronic tone.   Any idea how I get the synth to produce different musical instrument sounds?
     
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 20:28:22 (permalink)
    you need to open the GUI of the synth. That is usually where you choose the patch or sample to play on the synth. 

    Find the synth in the FX bin of the track or if you inserted it, in the input and double click it to open the GUI. 

    find where it stores the patches... in a file or browser window and double click the one you want.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 22:55:34 (permalink)
    you need to change the patch from the MIDI track.  if you change it from the GUI then it will revert back to whatever the MIDI track says it is supposed to be.

    herb - dreamstation is not a sampler - it's a synth, sort of like TTS-1, but it's not GM mapped, that's why what you're suggesting won't work - it has to be done from the MIDI track.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/26 23:31:45 (permalink)
    With DreamStation, you select the patch in the MIDI track.
    Also, turn down the volume of the synth track before listening; some of the patches are very loud.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/27 07:58:15 (permalink)
    OK... I wasn't familiar with it...

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/27 18:49:04 (permalink)
    I think what Guitarhacker suggested worked for me, or maybe I don't understand what he suggested.  I selected different instruments from the synth on the Synth Rack and the sound changed accordingly.  I can even change the instrument as I'm playing.  I also have a real keyboard, but I like experimenting with the virtual synths.  I think everything is working now.
     
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/27 18:58:07 (permalink)
    very good.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/27 19:49:34 (permalink)
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    I think what Guitarhacker suggested worked for me, or maybe I don't understand what he suggested.  I selected different instruments from the synth on the Synth Rack and the sound changed accordingly.  I can even change the instrument as I'm playing.  I also have a real keyboard, but I like experimenting with the virtual synths.  I think everything is working now.
     
    Thanks
     
    Steve
     
    Yes, you can do that, but every time you stop the project and restart it, DreamStation will revert to the default patch. Selecting the patch from the MIDI track will keep the patch there, and you can change the patch there while it's playing, too.
    But I admit I'm going from memory and it's been a long time since I used DreamStation DXi.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/27 22:03:05 (permalink)
    I stand corrected.  herb was right, we were wrong!

    I loaded up Dreamstation and you have to adjust the presets from the increment/decrement icons on the GUI and it's not multitimbral, so one instance per track.

    my apologies, Herb.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 07:51:21 (permalink)
    No problem Beagle. 

    I don't think I ever used Dream Station so I was simply going from my understanding of how all of my current synths work. I figured DS might work the same way. 

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 09:10:57 (permalink)
    right, but not all of them work that way.  TTS-1 is a prime example.  you can't change the patches from the GUI and expect it to work correctly.  you HAVE to change the patches from the MIDI track for multitimbral softsynths. 

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 10:09:06 (permalink)
    Beagle... son!... I'm taking you to school this morning. Getting you educated on the finer points of TTS. 

    I just opened a new project in X1. Inserted TTS in audio track 1.

    Inserted 3 midi tracks and popped in miscellaneous notes using staff view.

    I went into the track inspector and pointed all 3 tracks to TTS-1 and assigned each one to the proper and different midi channel 

    Then, I opened the TTS GUI... all channels are default to piano. Clicking on the button at the top of the TTS GUI...directly above the channel you want to change from TTS GUI, a new menu opens and there is a selection of all the GM sounds available as "presets". I chose organ on track 1, bass on 2 and piano on 3... then I clicked on 3 again and changed it to Brass/Trumpet from the GUI... doing nothing else, hit play and there were midi trumpets coming out of the monitors along with bass and organ.

    upon playback all the correct voices sounded. they were changed from the TTS GUI mixer looking screen, not in the banks and patch in the tracks. 

    Even TTS will work that way.

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 10:19:15 (permalink)
    then I don't understand why I have had to tell numerous people that they have to change the patch from the MIDI track or it will revert back to piano.

    typically when you press play on the transport if the default patch is not changed in the MIDI track then it will revert back to piano.  I've seen this numerous times on the forum.  I don't use TTS-1 myself very often, but I'll be glad to try to research this more when I have some time.

    did you save the project and reopen it?  did the patch changes get saved?
     
    what happens if you close the GUI of TTS-1?
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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 13:10:59 (permalink)
    OK... when I was ready to close it earlier this morning I elected to save this project.

    I just re-opened the project....did nothing else to it except to hit PLAY...

    I can open & close the GUI and the patches assigned stay in place.


    Everything was saved and played back just like this morning. 

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    Re:No Sound From Soft Synth 2011/09/28 14:05:59 (permalink)
    I don't know then why that works for you and not for a lot of others.  It might work for me, too, I don't know- I just know I've recommended that for a lot of people who have trouble with it.

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