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No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned

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just posting here as I don't think I posted this before (here) but I believe others must have. I was shown the work around by others...
 
When I open the PRV, the keys and grid are almost never aligned anymore. It used to be occasional/rare), but now it's constant.
 
Simply forcing a zoom and back will re-align it but this must be done ever time it is opened.
 
I hope this is already getting attention?
 
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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/23 13:01:33 (permalink)
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We'll check, thanks.

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/23 13:47:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for the report Keni. Would you mind sharing a screenshot, and maybe even sending us a project file please? Having difficulty reproducing it here.
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just posting here as I don't think I posted this before (here) but I believe others must have. I was shown the work around by others...
 
When I open the PRV, the keys and grid are almost never aligned anymore. It used to be occasional/rare), but now it's constant.
 
Simply forcing a zoom and back will re-align it but this must be done ever time it is opened.
 
I hope this is already getting attention?
 
Thanks.




Keni,
 
If I remember right, don't you use a font size other than 100%?
 
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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/23 14:49:00 (permalink)
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Thanks guys...

I'll do my best to get a screen shot today. Every project has this issue. I will create a bare bones and send that as well.

I'm surprised you guys didn't know about this as so many chimed in when I posted about it way back...

I believe I'm using standard font. I have never changed it. I use a very high resolution I think 2560x1600 or some such, but I've used that for years now and this didn't begin until a few months back.

I have some time issues today but will do this at some point. Which address should I send these things to?

Thanks for looking into this!

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/24 07:39:34 (permalink)
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Hi Keith...

Doc, it hurts over..... here?

Never fails to not be when I get to the dr.

My frustration with the misalignment has been very significant, but now trying to take a screenshot, it is correctly aligned?

Magically fixed? I don't believe in magic. I will try again tomorrow. Hoping both to find the fix is real as well as find the problem so I don't feel I've wasted anyone's time.

Thanks for your attention. I will write again tomorrow.

Thanks again!

From the depths of Deep Space...

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/25 10:00:55 (permalink)
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I get the same issue here too Keni. The next time it happens, which will probably be soon, I'll post a picture.

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/25 19:15:58 (permalink)
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I get the same issue here too Keni. The next time it happens, which will probably be soon, I'll post a picture.


Hi Daniel...
 
Funny here...
 
This has been plaguing me for the last few releases, and I think I saw it in this release (2017.3) as well, but when I went to take a screenshot, I find I can't make it happen.... anywhere, anytime...
 
Now I've updated to 2017.3.44 and it still appears to be working correctly... So I'm guessing that something got fixed under the hood which indirectly cured this issue? If you do get a screenshot of it, please post it in the Problem Reports forum so that we know Jim or another Baker see's it. I'm still trying! ;-)
 
Ooops!


 
We're IN the Problem Report Forum! ;-)
 
 
 

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 02:31:54 (permalink)
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Funny, I worked with Sonar all day today and it never happened!  I'm on 2017.02.

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 02:39:20 (permalink)
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Very strange...

I know I've been dealing with it every day until 2 days ago (approx). Now suddenly it's not happening?

Well, I won't look a gift horse in the mouth, eh? Happy to have it back to normal with the new improvements as a bonus!

My apology to all for the theft of their' time as it appears to have magically fixed itself?

👽🎸🎶🚀

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 07:49:56 (permalink)
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Magically fixed? I don't believe in magic.

who was it who said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."?

just a sec

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 09:05:15 (permalink)
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Was it Carl Sagan or did he only borrow it?

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 09:13:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/03/26 09:46:14
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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 09:20:42 (permalink)
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Ah, thanks Steve!

Was that in a comment or was it from a book such as the Rama series?

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/26 17:09:44 (permalink)
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Thanks Steve.

I bookmarked that!

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/27 13:48:32 (permalink)
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Okay, it happened again! Here's a screenshot. This is a fairly simple drum map but the offset is quite dramatic!
 


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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/27 15:48:19 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's a big mis-align. I've only had a few that radical as most of mine were Of by a note or three.

Of course I haven't been able to get once since asked for a screenshot?

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/27 21:00:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dlesaux 2017/03/28 10:28:29
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This first started happening with the very first Platinum release, I think more than 2 years ago.  Some releases it has been easier to make happen than others, with the last few releases it certainly has been pretty common for me.  There are a number of threads on this topic.  Without a reproducible set of steps Cakewalk hasn't shown any interest in fixing it.  If you zoom the PRV in or out (the vertical zoom) the grid will fix itself, so it's not completely fatal.  Just very annoying.  When using a drum map the results are quite noticeable.  Still no clue why Cakewalk won't work backwards and figure out how the viewer could get into this state (and add code to fix/prevent that).
 
 

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If you zoom the PRV in or out (the vertical zoom) the grid will fix itself, so it's not completely fatal.  



I wasn't aware of the zoom trick to make it go away! Great tip!

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/03/28 16:19:54 (permalink)
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Things aren't always as simple as seems.

The Bakers have taken note of this and are proceeding to rectify if not already done. For some strange reason I suddenly can't get it to happen?

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/23 22:35:45 (permalink)
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OK! It's back and I managed to get a screen capture! Let's see if I can upload it here?
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s...-04-23_153006.png?dl=0

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 13:30:18 (permalink)
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It's not "back", it never left.  This has been an issue for more than two years!  I wish they would make fixing this a higher priority.

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For those of you that are running into this issue, Can you describe what types of tasks you are doing when this happens? Knowing a bit more about what you are doing might make this more reproducible.
  • What are you usually doing when this happens? i.e. Opening the view after XYZ, Copying, Moving notes, Recording, etc
  • What types of snap settings you are using? Smart Snap or a specific setting?
  • In the PRV View menu: What setting do you have checked in here? including Grid Resolution?

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 16:56:10 (permalink)
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Thanks Matt...
 
I didn't think it was gone, just that I ran into a time period of not seeing it. Originally it was very occassional, then it became all the time, then it went away... so it finally happened again and I remembered to grab a screenshot... ;-)
 
As we know the Bakers are aware of this and working on it. I'm sure it will be fixed asap....
 

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 17:08:40 (permalink)
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For those of you that are running into this issue, Can you describe what types of tasks you are doing when this happens? Knowing a bit more about what you are doing might make this more reproducible.
  • What are you usually doing when this happens? i.e. Opening the view after XYZ, Copying, Moving notes, Recording, etc
  • What types of snap settings you are using? Smart Snap or a specific setting?
  • In the PRV View menu: What setting do you have checked in here? including Grid Resolution?




Hi Lance...
 
OK... Here's what I'm seeing...
 
Typically, I'm double clicking on a MIDI clip to begin editing. Near impossible to know what I was doing prior to that.
 
One thought? This most recent that I got the screenshot of is of a 32bit plugin (VSampler3.x) running under Bitbridge. Maybe this is related? I'm running Sonar x64...
 
Master snap is typically at Measure and PRV snap is usually 1/16... I do not use Smart Snap...
 
PRV View Menu:
Show/Hide Track Pane
Hide Muted Clips
Show Vertical Gridlines
Follow Snap Settings
 
I hope this helps...?
 

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 17:20:55 (permalink)
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In addition to the information Lance is requesting, it will be helpful if you identify what graphics card and driver version you are using. Since this is a UI issue that is not affecting everyone, it's possible the graphics driver is at fault.

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 17:53:21 (permalink)
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This is not a graphic card issue!  The window isn't drawing wrong on a pixel/graphical level.  It's drawing wrong on a logic level.  SONAR thinks the keyboard side of the PVR is at one position/zoom and the key lanes another one.  When this happens you can scroll around and resize the window all the day long and it will stay wrong.  Until you change the zoom level, then it magically fixes itself.
 
 

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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 18:14:43 (permalink)
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At least for me it always happens when double clicking an existing MIDI clip.  Sometimes that clip came from a MIDI file, sometimes I recorded it, sometimes I dragged it from a VST that has a droppable MIDI option (Ad.Drums2/Kontakt/EzDrummer2).  But I don't remember it happening when opening on an empty MIDI track/new MIDI track.  I usually have a snap setting on but it doesn't seem related.  My view settings match Keni's but I don't think that's the key.
 
I do have a very large 4k monitor running at 4096x2160 (yes real 4k) with an nVidia 980ti and near constant driver updates (part of why I'm sure it has nothing to do with video card drivers).  My average PRV is very large (I run SONAR fully maximized).
 
I do think I've seen this more often when the MIDI track in question is being opened in the PRV the first time, ie when SONAR has to decide what level of zoom to put the window at.  If I open an empty PRV and record/edit there, with future opens I don't remember seeing things get off.  The early versions of this bug almost always involved drag-n-dropped MIDI clips.
 
It's very difficult to reproduce though.  There isn't a step by step that does it, believe me I've tried.  The last two releases of SONAR I haven't seen it(last two: 2017.03 and 2017.04 early release, I update the moment new ones come out. 2017.01 and 2017.02 it was very common for me), but I've been doing a lot less music.  It could very well have something to do with the trackview that launches the piano roll, it's snap/zoom/view settings?  I've had projects that would show it on load and double click the MIDI clip but exiting SONAR and restarting it wouldn't happen again.
 
If I were to try and reproduce this, I'd most likely take a (big)collection of short-to-medium MIDI clips and start dropping them on new MIDI tracks and then opening them in the piano roll view until it happens.
 
It might be easier to look at how the keyboard part and the lane part are connected in the code and work backwards.  The two are offset/disconnected when this happens, how could that view state happen?

-Matt
 
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Re: No Wonder My Eyes Have So Much Trouble In PRV/ Keys and Grid Continually Un-Aligned 2017/04/24 19:26:00 (permalink)
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Even in 2016.12 I occasionally get PRV misalignments. They come in a variety of colors:
 
1. Grid unaligned with timeline
2. Grid unaligned with piano keys
3. Grid unaligned with Controller Pane
 
Usually closing and reopening PRV (completely deleting it from Multidock) or zooming in & out can fix. Occasionally closing & reopening Sonar is needed.
 
Since it's a random thing, and impossible to reproduce at will, I suspect it's a graphical miscommunication.
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