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No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
Wow, so X1d was the last update made available for Sonar X1 users and I can attest like most of you - I really thought there would be an X1e. But Musiciansfriend.com is running a rebate promo for a free upgrade to the next paid version which implies that X2 or whatever they name it is around the corner and that there will be no more updates to X1. What does that mean? It's Game Over for X1. Yes, you can still continue to make music with it but whatever bugs weren't fixed, won't be fixed. And whatever features that were requested, won't be added Great news that X2 is around the corner but bad news for us who wanted X1 to be a better DAW. It's really disappointing that they are dropping support for X1 and moving on to something else while X1 could use a few more fixes.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/13 21:01:07
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skylightron
What does that mean? It's Game Over for X1. Yes, you can still continue to make music with it but whatever bugs weren't fixed, won't be fixed. And whatever features that were requested, won't be added Great news that X2 is around the corner but bad news for us who wanted X1 to be a better DAW. It's really disappointing that they are dropping support for X1 and moving on to something else while X1 could use a few more fixes.
I know many guys and gals who could substitute X1 for 8.5.3 or even 7, and X2 for X1 or 8.0 in the above statement and it would just as true/accurate/painful for them. Join the club. Disclosure: I'm on X1 and I'm not complaining.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/13 22:03:22
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All we can do is hope that the bakers have a sweet pie in the oven.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/13 22:04:43
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I think the name of the company is Cakewalk not Piewalk.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/13 22:12:10
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Okay so they come out with X2 charge you $99 bucks for an upgrade and you'll be all set...bring it on !!
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 00:04:19
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PDF on the MF site says the promo runs from July 1st to Oct 31st ... guess that means we should have a new version released by Nov 1st.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 00:24:51
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 Piewalk X1- great name for a DAW
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 00:38:51
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Yeah, unfortunately, I bought my copy of Sonar on the 24th of June... Oh, had I waited but a WEEK
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 03:46:05
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Yeah, unfortunately, I bought my copy of Sonar on the 24th of June... Oh, had I waited but a WEEK
Ditto never mind eh... Anyway, I've not even scratched the surface of X1 yet. And it is hard to imagine (for someone as unimaginative as me) what on earth could be done to improve X1, other than fix a few glitches here and there.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 06:31:58
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I think the name of the company is Cakewalk not Piewalk.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 07:05:27
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skylightron
Wow, so X1d was the last update made available for Sonar X1 users and I can attest like most of you - I really thought there would be an X1e. But Musiciansfriend.com is running a rebate promo for a free upgrade to the next paid version which implies that X2 or whatever they name it is around the corner and that there will be no more updates to X1. What does that mean? It's Game Over for X1. Yes, you can still continue to make music with it but whatever bugs weren't fixed, won't be fixed. And whatever features that were requested, won't be added Great news that X2 is around the corner but bad news for us who wanted X1 to be a better DAW. It's really disappointing that they are dropping support for X1 and moving on to something else while X1 could use a few more fixes.
Thats' the nature of software I suppose, every deal is going to have a cut-off date and you either jump before or after it. It happens. On the version front I find you don't have to upgrade every cycle but if you think of it as like a maintainance contract to continue to use a product it makes value sense that you are getting the latest maintainance release and any new features for the price of the upgrade so the cost of ownership of using a product like Sonar is (Original Purchase Price + Total cost of Upgrades / Amount of Years of Use) if you look at it like that and serious about the use of the product then you can equate the fee as value in terms of cost of ownership. As far as major content creation applications go Sonar is pretty darn good value for money. I just wsh there were fewer bugs that seem to constantly migrate from one version to the next, I didn't pay the periodic maintenence fee during the last upgrade cycle simply because none of the bugs I wanted fixed in 8.5.3 got fixed in X1. But it's still a reasonable model for software because I can opt in and out of the fee based upgrade cycle and choose to update whenever the added fixes + feature benefits suit me. Given that the upgrade fee is a better idea than a maintainence contract in that if what I want isn't fixed or improved I don't have to pay it. Given the pains of the last (X1) version upgrade though I'm waiting to see what X2 does actually have to offer in real terms rather than pay for an advanced order pre-release. What I've got (Producer 8.5) works well for me so there's no advantage for me in going for an interim version, which is what X1 would now be in order to pay for the "next paid version" (I'm only assuming it will be called X2 here) in advance. We all get the choice though that's the beauty of the Sonar model and it still works out as very competitive in value for money terms compared with most. My 2 pence.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 08:07:48
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I have no reason to complain about X1.. I ran the demo, preferred it to 8.5.3 and purchased it.. I knew at that time that a free upgrade promo would be coming (it always does) and also that the software I purchased would be obsolete soon... did i care?.. no.. its a) only $99 and b) what i wanted...
Some folks would write like we pay $399 for every version and every year... well, for the cost of one single night I went from 8.5.3 (happy but clunky) to x1 (happy no clunky) and this year, with X1 still runnning, supported the bakers by upgrading to expanded and added some pc modules.
The bootom line is.. Cakewalk is in business to make money.. the ONLY way they get to improve the DAW and fix bugs and provide us better value is if folks buy their products... we upgrade, and new folks hop on board. its not hard, and its certainly not expensive.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 08:24:37
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I'm certainly not going to be one of the early adopters this time. It cost me dearly to buy X1 on the day it was released in Dec 2010 in wasted time right up until X1C was released.
No more beta testing for this bunny. While I've become very familiar with X1D Expanded I'm glad I'm retired now and don't have to earn a living with it and it's myriad idiosyncracies.
8.5.3 was unquestionably the most stable version for me but in the interests of progress I bit the bullet and moved on to X1 fulltime (that is without going back and forth between 8.5 and X1) with the release of X1C and the relative stability that update provided. Again as I'm now retired I had nothing to lose by that move.
Anyways; I say all that now but by the time the X2 release comes I'll probably just pony up like some lemming ready to follow the crowd over the cliff's edge.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 08:31:09
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Reckon it's got something to do with windows 8 coming out? Touch screen monitors etc etc?
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 10:02:23
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Mystic38
I have no reason to complain about X1.. I ran the demo, preferred it to 8.5.3 and purchased it.. I knew at that time that a free upgrade promo would be coming (it always does) and also that the software I purchased would be obsolete soon... did i care?.. no.. its a) only $99 and b) what i wanted...
Some folks would write like we pay $399 for every version and every year... well, for the cost of one single night I went from 8.5.3 (happy but clunky) to x1 (happy no clunky) and this year, with X1 still runnning, supported the bakers by upgrading to expanded and added some pc modules.
The bottom line is.. Cakewalk is in business to make money.. the ONLY way they get to improve the DAW and fix bugs and provide us better value is if folks buy their products... we upgrade, and new folks hop on board. its not hard, and its certainly not expensive.
Plus one to all of the above Support the Cake, and, in the long run, we all benefit.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 10:06:50
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Windows 8 ?? Touch screen monitors ??
Bletch !!!
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 10:41:18
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It's really disappointing that they are dropping support for X1 and moving on to something else while X1 could use a few more fixes.
My favorite gripe is that some of the same bugs that were in Sonar 6 PE were still there when they put out X1. So they weren't even fixing broken stuff in the new versions. X1d seems to have addressed the issues I was having with the way that I use Sonar. But I know there are some people that use Sonar for different purposes like MIDI, video or even composing that still have lingering issues. Of course we would all like to have a bug-free Sonar but then why would anyone ever upgrade to another version? And Cakewalk would go under. At least this way we all keep investing and hoping our problem was fixed in this version. If not there's always next year and another $100. Mike
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:31:46
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chefmike8888
At least this way we all keep investing and hoping our problem was fixed in this version. If not there's always next year and another $100.
Mike
Although that may well be the reality for some (not me in the case of X1, I was never bumped, poked or stabbed by any of the reported problems other were having), I want to hope that is not the development/business model that Cakewalk/Roland marches to.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:35:30
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For me, for the most part Sonar X1 has been working very well and very few problems. I can live with that.
Touch screens for a DAW ?? That's sort of like using someone else's mic, there an eeeewwww factor there.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:46:18
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Touch screens for a DAW ?? That's sort of like using someone else's mic, there an eeeewwww factor there. Yeah, for me to go touch screen DAW I would want and need somewhere in the ballpark of at least a 60" monitor. Could you imagine trying to adjust/tweak some of the parameters of X1 on a 21" touch screen? (Shudders) Mike
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bapu
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:50:52
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Windows 8 does NOT have to run in touchscreen mode. It can run in classic widows (gawd I hope they don't mean 3.5) mode.
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bapu
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:51:52
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Touch screens for a DAW ?? That's sort of like using someone else's mic, there an eeeewwww factor there.
So djwayne. You don't "touch" a mouse or keyboard?
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 11:56:16
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Would you want all your clients grabbing and fighting over touching your screen with their slimy fingers ?? eeeewwwwww You'd have to wash it off every time you'd use it ....smear marks every where...no thanks.
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bapu
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 12:00:14
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a) I don't have clients 2) I would not want a touch screen, used those back in the 80s from HP c) read this post again
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 12:07:20
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I don't have to read it again to know I don't want nothing to do with a touch screen.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 12:10:55
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Who knows...
X2 may be the cats pajama's...
I'm still looking for the Digital Performer 8 release so I can try it...
was supposed to be release in Spring ....that came and went..
and here summer is almost over and nothing yet...
That's a confidence builder...
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 15:02:01
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Mystic38
I have no reason to complain about X1.. I ran the demo, preferred it to 8.5.3 and purchased it.. I knew at that time that a free upgrade promo would be coming (it always does) and also that the software I purchased would be obsolete soon... did i care?.. no.. its a) only $99 and b) what i wanted...
Some folks would write like we pay $399 for every version and every year... well, for the cost of one single night I went from 8.5.3 (happy but clunky) to x1 (happy no clunky) and this year, with X1 still runnning, supported the bakers by upgrading to expanded and added some pc modules.
The bottom line is.. Cakewalk is in business to make money.. the ONLY way they get to improve the DAW and fix bugs and provide us better value is if folks buy their products... we upgrade, and new folks hop on board. its not hard, and its certainly not expensive.
Plus one to all of the above
Support the Cake, and, in the long run, we all benefit.
Whilst I'm pretty much in agreement with what Mystic wrote, I can't see where the mentality you are subscribing to came in with regard to buying products. I don't know when we started funding quality control issues and research and development costs in advance out of loyalty and out of some kind of hope those things will ultimately delivered. People at one time would always prefer to choose whatever provided the best quality and value for money without needing to think they might be investing in a better product further down the line. I still prefer that idea, if it's good I'll buy it, if the company fails to deliver that's their concern not mine. Having said that and before the haters start a hating I also stated that Sonar provides a reasonable enough ratio of the good stuff and provides enough good value for me to still be interested. But I don't think THEY can afford another X1 release this time around, they will know that better than I. I'm waiting to see what actually turns up again this time.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 15:10:34
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Mystic38
I have no reason to complain about X1.. I ran the demo, preferred it to 8.5.3 and purchased it.. I knew at that time that a free upgrade promo would be coming (it always does) and also that the software I purchased would be obsolete soon... did i care?.. no.. its a) only $99 and b) what i wanted...
Some folks would write like we pay $399 for every version and every year... well, for the cost of one single night I went from 8.5.3 (happy but clunky) to x1 (happy no clunky) and this year, with X1 still runnning, supported the bakers by upgrading to expanded and added some pc modules.
The bottom line is.. Cakewalk is in business to make money.. the ONLY way they get to improve the DAW and fix bugs and provide us better value is if folks buy their products... we upgrade, and new folks hop on board. its not hard, and its certainly not expensive.
Plus one to all of the above
Support the Cake, and, in the long run, we all benefit.
Whilst I'm pretty much in agreement with what Mystic wrote, I can't see where the mentality you are subscribing to came in with regard to buying products. I don't know when we started funding quality control issues and research and development costs in advance out of loyalty and out of some kind of hope those things will ultimately delivered.
People at one time would always prefer to choose whatever provided the best quality and value for money without needing to think they might be investing in a better product further down the line.
I still prefer that idea, if it's good I'll buy it, if the company fails to deliver that's their concern not mine.
Having said that and before the haters start a hating I also stated that Sonar provides a reasonable enough ratio of the good stuff and provides enough good value for me to still be interested. But I don't think THEY can afford another X1 release this time around, they will know that better than I.
I'm waiting to see what actually turns up again this time.
re "mentality".. The relative importance of a bug is just that ..relative.. so while it may be important to you or a number of others, its importance in getting fixed or not is relative to many other criteria.. not least of which is fundamental business success, and it is pretty obvious that the more successful Cakewalk is, the more they can afford to work on a laundry list of minor improvements... so the best thing to do if you want a product to be supported is to support the company in return.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 15:13:13
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It's only me but I still prefer the idea that if I think a product is worth it then I'll buy it.
Call me old-fashioned but there it is.
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Re:No X1e...? Is the sky falling on us this Friday the 13th?
2012/07/14 15:36:40
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I really have high hopes for X2 (or whatever they call it). I think X1 is very close to be a "perfect DAW" (at least for me), and hopefully X2 wil be another step in the right direction.
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