No gain on simple instrument tracks?

If you turn the volume control all the way down, does the sound go away?  If so, you have volume control.  You also have access to ProChannel, and any audio plug in that controls volume levels, don't you?  Does Omnisphere have its own gain control?  I may be misunderstanding you, but it seems like you should have ample control over the volume of a virtual synth in a number of different ways.  If I'm off base here, then my apologies.

Split the instrument track into separate MIDI and audio tracks, then you'll have separate Gain controls for each. That was one of many compromises made when instrument tracks were added to SONAR: controls common to both MIDI and audio components had to be assigned to one or the other, and they chose to assign the Gain control to the MIDI portion. Conversely, the Volume slider only applies to the audio portion and you lose the ability to automate MIDI volume.

In SONAR X1, you can now access all parameters for an Instrument track via the Inspector. When you make an Instrument track active, you'll see two tabs at the bottom of the Inspector. Click the Audio tab and you can adjust the audio gain for the track.

Scott

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Scott said " Click the Audio tab and you can adjust the audio gain for the track."

This has nothing to do with Midi velocity and is totally independent of it.

If you can't see the top half of the Inspector, undock it. Make your tweak and dock it again

I thought the Audio tab in the right hand strip of a simple instrument track is the audio controls for the downstream buss not the audio part of the instrument track.

AFAIK the only way to access the audio gain of an instrument track is to split the track into it's MIDI and audio tracks.

Am I mistaken?

The audio part of an Instrument track _can_ be accessed by clicking the Audio tab at the bottom of the Inspector.

However, I see now that Rasure is right and the Gain knob isn't represented correctly. It's supposed to be the Gain knob for the audio part of the track. Looks like it's either a bug or a design flaw. This should be reported to Cakewalk so they can fix it.

Scott

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Just tried it here with TTS1 - I may be seeing things but after selecting the instrument track and clicked the audio Tab in the Inspector and moved the fader, it indeed moved the volume control on the MIDI track.

However, once I dragged the volume in the Track for the simple instrument - it then worked correctly.  Now, moving the Volume on the Audio tab moves the Fader of the Instrument Track and not the MIDI Track.

You might give it a shot.
 
EDIT: actually I used Garriton Aria player.  And although I'm second guessing myself on what happened initially, I did look to verify that with the player (instrument) open the MIDI volume control moves the respective channel in the instrument but the Fader for the instrument in the Audio tab does not affect the MIDI channel nor the coorelating VSTi channel.  Which I would think suggest it is indeed controlling the output of the audio as intended and not the MIDI?

bitflipper


The help file says that the Gain control is for MIDI, not audio. The "design flaw" is Instrument Tracks themselves, which are limiting, confusing and completely unnecessary - except as a means to save a half-inch of screen real-estate. And maybe to make SONAR look a little more Reaper-ish.

+1

Well it might say that but it ain't working like that here. Open the console view so you can see the downstream buss (master in my case) then click on the audio tab of a SIT and move the controls. Whatever you do mute, volume, etc etc, is mirrored on the buss. i.e. it is the buss controls not the audio part of the SIT.

That's what is happening here anyway. Anyone else?

I wonder how I've managed that then. It's consistent here and is definitely the downstream buss controls. Anyone else seeing that or am I the only one? It even says "Master" in the name field.

is there a setting somewhere to change it?

Yes, that is strange.  For the record, I am running the same version as the OP e.i. [Sonar X1 Producer Expanded (Build X1d 535 x64)]

FastBikerBoy


Well it might say that but it ain't working like that here. Open the console view so you can see the downstream buss (master in my case) then click on the audio tab of a SIT and move the controls. Whatever you do mute, volume, etc etc, is mirrored on the buss. i.e. it is the buss controls not the audio part of the SIT.

That's what is happening here anyway. Anyone else?

Lost me there Karl.


In Console View with a SIT selected, where is the Audio Tab? It's only the one track yes?

The Track Inspector shows the downstream bus, but whatever I do to the track doesn't affect the bus.

I'm not Karl, but: forgive my "is it plugged in comment?" but do you have the inspector opened?  If not, hit I.  Now when you select the SIT (not MIDI) in the track view or console view, the Inspector shows that track and the Master/Bus track.  Below the Master (right side) should be 2 tabs labelled Audio & MIDI.

Bristol_Jonesey

FastBikerBoy


Well it might say that but it ain't working like that here. Open the console view so you can see the downstream buss (master in my case) then click on the audio tab of a SIT and move the controls. Whatever you do mute, volume, etc etc, is mirrored on the buss. i.e. it is the buss controls not the audio part of the SIT.

That's what is happening here anyway. Anyone else?

Lost me there Karl.


In Console View with a SIT selected, where is the Audio Tab? It's only the one track yes?

The Track Inspector shows the downstream bus, but whatever I do to the track doesn't affect the bus.

Sorry Colin, I was referring to the Inspector for the Audio tab. My reference to the CV was purely a visual reference. I can see the supposed SIT audio controls in the right hand strip of the inspector on the "audio" tab controlling the SIT's downstream buss, which for me is my master buss.

I'm certainly not seeing the SIT's audio controls in the inspector, no matter what the manual says.

fwrend


I'm not Karl, but: forgive my "is it plugged in comment?" but do you have the inspector opened?  If not, hit I.  Now when you select the SIT (not MIDI) in the track view or console view, the Inspector shows that track and the Master/Bus track.  Below the Master (right side) should be 2 tabs labelled Audio & MIDI.

Yep, see the screenshot. That's what I'm saying the Audio tab in the inspector right hand strip are the downstream buss controls not the SIT audio controls.