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No sound from buss?
I will start out with that I’m still not use to mixing in Bass so there’s that.. lol So when it was pointed out that my low end was gone… not a big deal. But I went into the projects today and well… the bass is gone… though it looks like it’s there. See pic below. Tested it to stereo out.. It’s fine. Just not from Buss. All other tracks are bussing right… Can anyone see anything in the pic or know what this could be? peace! edit: Don't know what was wrong but replaced the Bass buss.. fixed the problem... BUT then Drum buss fell out. So made a new Drum buss... I don't know if I will have to replace all buss units but it's sounding that way... Also I did not have the ProCh module turned off. and when I turned it on many of the ProCh strips where on. That is a reported problem issues (by me) and I don't know if it's related... looks right to me...
post edited by Passive Drift - 2016/09/15 13:48:27
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/15 15:09:07
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How are you using 'Stereo Out' and 'MainOut' buses, and which is the default out for new buses and tracks? Your screenshot shows most buses going to 'MainOut' before hitting 'Stereo Out' which goes to the hardware out, while Bass an Duck buses are going direct to 'Stereo Out'
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/15 15:39:46
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I think he'll get unpredictable results with that routing. Dave, have another look at all your track & buss outputs. It should go: All Tracks > Busses All Busses > Master Buss Master Buss > Main Outs You can easily verify if something's wrong by muting the Master Buss. If you hear something, it means something, a track or a buss, is being routed directly to your hardware outputs (Main Outs)
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/15 15:53:55
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brundlefly How are you using 'Stereo Out' and 'MainOut' buses, and which is the default out for new buses and tracks? Your screenshot shows most buses going to 'MainOut' before hitting 'Stereo Out' which goes to the hardware out, while Bass an Duck buses are going direct to 'Stereo Out'
Hi, I had split them, can't remember why.. I re setup all buss tracks and the problem is still a problem... Or I've lost it... well! lol... I have 9 busses... one is Stereo out.... the rest go to that one... and it's like not all the busses are sending full dbs to the stereo buss. one or two outs of 8 do not seem to be sending full dbs. I took a brake so I have not got that far yet.. Thanks :)
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/15 15:56:35
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Bristol_Jonesey I think he'll get unpredictable results with that routing. Dave, have another look at all your track & buss outputs. It should go: All Tracks > Busses All Busses > Master Buss Master Buss > Main Outs You can easily verify if something's wrong by muting the Master Buss. If you hear something, it means something, a track or a buss, is being routed directly to your hardware outputs (Main Outs)
Thanks :) I re set all tracts and busses... also I think the only reason it worked before was that I had the backing track playing direct out so I didn't hear the problem... duh... Ha!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/15 17:12:20
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ok, this is all I know... 9 busses. = 1 Stereo buss out... 7 busses sound fine Every buss added after has softer and softer dbs... On both Win 8.1 and Win10Pro I don't know why... :( I'm moving on to a work around... for now... Thanks for the help.
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 06:56:03
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I know this sounds strange, but try adding another bus, routing the bass to that new bus and then routing the new bus to Stereo Out. I have had this happen and it seemed to fix it. It was rare and didn't happen all the time, but it did happen...
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 06:56:03
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Duplicate post...Sorry.
post edited by patm300e - 2016/09/16 07:17:08
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 10:04:22
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patm300e I know this sounds strange, but try adding another bus, routing the bass to that new bus and then routing the new bus to Stereo Out. I have had this happen and it seemed to fix it. It was rare and didn't happen all the time, but it did happen...
Yup! sounds cRaZy... lol... but it worked! That's about nutZ... thank you!!!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 10:26:57
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Lets take a step back. When a sound source hits multiple stages, it can get very confusing, and in a daw with as much functionality as SONAR, you can get in over your head fast. SO - lets do a little routing 101 Here's a basic routing diagram Snare-----\ Kick--------\ Toms-------->--- DRUM BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}---------- \ Hat---------/ Cyms-----/ Bass {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------------------------------------------------ > MASTER / Key 1----\ >---- Key Buss {EQ/COMPRESSION}---------------- / Key 2----/ / Guitar 1--\ / Guitar 2--->-- Guitar BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------/ Guitar 3--/ Notice - the only time a buss is used is when we have multiple tracks that need to be grouped together to control their volume, or add compression or eq to them all... such as all drums, or all keys..etc. Everything should go into the MASTER. Streamline your routing as much as possible. Tracks - Buss(if necessary) - Master - Looking at your picture, I'm going to ask why there is a main out and a stereo out routed into each other, as well as a bass buss. In Sonar - there are tracks, busses, and then the outputs into your actual soundcard. In most cases you should only be using 1 stereo pair of these, unless you are setting up multiple monitor mixes, or mixing 5.1 Also - I see that there is a solo command on the bass buss - which means you may need to solo enable other channels to get the full volume. If you have the "dim" solo enable it would decrease the volume.
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 10:31:58
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if all else fails upload your session to dropbox so other users can look at your routing via download
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 10:46:24
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thedukewestern if all else fails upload your session to dropbox so other users can look at your routing via download
A great suggestion so we all can learn...I have been with Cakewalk for a while. Started with Home Studio and continually upgraded (SPLAT Lifer here). When I had that problem (This was before Aux tracks and patch points), no amount of rerouting worked. The bus worked like the mute button was stuck ON. I have not seen it in a while now and only had it happen twice before, but it did happen and no amount of rerouting/changes fixed it until I rerouted the channels feeding it to another bus. At any rate at least I was able to help even if we did not "fix" the problem, the next time the OP sees this (if there is indeed a next time), there is a quick fix and its back to making music! Which is the main goal for us all! Pat
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 10:51:50
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Occasionally I see the output of a track get weird, especially when opening up an old session in a newer version of sonar. The symptoms I get were, panning not working properly, or no output... the fix on my end is clone the track itself without any automation, just the events. Thanks for chiming in to help!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 11:10:17
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thedukewestern Lets take a step back. When a sound source hits multiple stages, it can get very confusing, and in a daw with as much functionality as SONAR, you can get in over your head fast. SO - lets do a little routing 101 Here's a basic routing diagram Snare-----\ Kick--------\ Toms-------->---DRUM BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}---------- \ Hat---------/ Cyms-----/ Bass {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------------------------------------------------ > MASTER / Key 1----\ >----Key Buss {EQ/COMPRESSION}---------------- / Key 2----/ / Guitar 1--\ / Guitar 2--->--Guitar BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------/ Guitar 3--/ Notice - the only time a buss is used is when we have multiple tracks that need to be grouped together to control their volume, or add compression or eq to them all... such as all drums, or all keys..etc. Everything should go into the MASTER. Streamline your routing as much as possible. Tracks - Buss(if necessary) - Master - Looking at your picture, I'm going to ask why there is a main out and a stereo out routed into each other, as well as a bass buss. In Sonar - there are tracks, busses, and then the outputs into your actual soundcard. In most cases you should only be using 1 stereo pair of these, unless you are setting up multiple monitor mixes, or mixing 5.1 Also - I see that there is a solo command on the bass buss - which means you may need to solo enable other channels to get the full volume. If you have the "dim" solo enable it would decrease the volume.
I get what you're saying... I just like to keep things together in the buss area, it's a pain to be slide the bus and track areas around looking for tracks when mixing... :) peace!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 11:29:16
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AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 11:59:35
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thedukewestern AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
Not a bad plan...I haven't totally embraced Aux Tracks and Patch Points yet...Maybe someday, but I get confused seeing the Aux Track mixed in with my regular tracks. Since my stuff is relatively simple, maybe next time I will give it a whirl.
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 12:42:38
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thedukewestern AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
Sounds like a plan for the next project... Not gonna try and retool mid stream... :) peace!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/16 13:57:17
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patm300e
thedukewestern AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
Not a bad plan...I haven't totally embraced Aux Tracks and Patch Points yet...Maybe someday, but I get confused seeing the Aux Track mixed in with my regular tracks. Since my stuff is relatively simple, maybe next time I will give it a whirl.
Maybe a topic for another thread, but I just started using AUX tracks and really find them quite useful. The main way I use them is for creating vocal delay throws. The aux track is right underneath the vocal that I'm "throwing" in Track View, and you just put a delay plug-in on the aux, and use a send from the vocal to the delay in the aux track. Then you can see the send automation right underneath the vocal track. Much easier than using a buss, IMHO.
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/22 10:33:48
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thedukewestern AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
Hello, Aux only works with echo on? peace!
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Re: No sound from buss?
2016/09/23 13:09:00
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thedukewestern AHA! Me too! You know - an aux track has the same functionality as a buss in SONAR... AND it exists in the track pane. Since this feature came into play I do pretty much all of my instrument busses now in an AUX track, and all of my effects returns as busses
Hello, Aux only works with echo on? peace!
Correct. Input Echo controls live input for the tracks feeding that Aux Track as it does for live plugin usage on a normal audio track.
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