Shebil
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No sound with MIDI keyboard
Hi everyone, I'm totally new to MIDI. I've got a very basic setup consisting of Sonar LE4, E mu 1x1 and Edirol PCR-M80 keyboard. I've installed the drivers for Emu from the CD and manually installed the drivers for Edirol that I downloaded from the net. My problem is that after opening Sonar LE and loading Dreamstation (or other VSTi), I do not get any sound at all by playing notes on the Edirol. I can sometimes hear the sound by clicking the mouse in the piano roll window(though not always). The MIDI out lights blink when I play in the piano roll window but not when I try to play on the Edirol. I've tried many combinations in the Options->MIDI Device but it doesn't work. On the keyboard itself, only the power light and the number '1' are displayed. I hope I've made myself clear. Your help shall be very much appreciated. Thanks a lot.
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RobertB
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/08 22:38:17
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Some questions first: What OS are you running? What options do you see in Options> MIDI Devices? The PCR-M80 has USB out. You don't need to use the EMU. If you do use the std MIDI out from the PCR to the EMU, the EMU will be the only thing recognized by the software. I would plug the PCR in directly via USB( did so for a long time). Wait for Windows to recognize the PCR as a new device, then start Sonar LE4. The controller must be plugged in and turned on before you start SLE, or the software will not be able to acknowledge its presence. You should see two or three options specific to the PCR? What do you see? When you insert the softsynth(Dreamstation), be sure to check: MIDI Source Track First Synth Audio Output Synth Properties Page. The MIDI Source Track is a critical component. This is where the PCR communicates with SLE. The Input should default to Omni, but you might want to change it to Ch 1(your PCR is transmitting on Channel 1). Let us know how far you get. On a side note, be careful with Dreamstation, especially if you are wearing headphones. It is capable of incredibly loud ,piercing sounds.
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Shebil
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/09 04:52:36
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Hi Robert, thanks for your reply. My OS is Windows XP SP2 and my laptop is Emachines E725 with 1 GB ram. I have now removed the EMU and plugged the edirol directly via USB cord. When I open the MIDI devices option, there are 3 choices in the input namely - 1: EDIROL PCR MIDI IN, 1: EDIROL PCR 1 and 1: EDIROL PCR 2. The choices in output are 1: EDIROL PCR, Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth, 1:EDIROL PCR MIDI OUT and Microsoft MIDI Mapper. Here again I tried some different combinations but no luck. Even while playing with the mouse in the Piano roll view, sometimes the sound comes and sometimes it doesn't. I have also tried different Audio drivers but the sound is best when using ASIO4all instead of MME and WDM while playing the demo songs. The Edirol keyboard is an old one that was lying around with my friend. Could it be out of order? Because I also tried playing through standalone vst host 'Tobybear Minihost' without any luck.
post edited by Shebil - 2011/04/09 04:55:27
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RobertB
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/09 10:17:04
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Thanks, that helps a lot. In Options>MIDI Devices, select EDIROL PCR 1. You don't need the other two at this time. Deselect all Output options. In your project, be sure DS is inserted as shown above. Set the MIDI track Input to EDIROL PCR1, and the input channel to 1. MIDI output should already be set to Dreamstation. Output can be any channel. Make sure Input Echo is turned on. This is very important, and I missed it last night. If the MIDI In light flashes when you hit a key, Sonar is reading input from the PCR. It's possible the PCR is not working properly, but if that light flashes, it's a good sign. The volume slider on the PCR should be at least halfway up. At this point, you should have sound. Let me know how it goes.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/11 02:54:32
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Thanks Robert and sorry for not replying promptly. I tried your suggestion regarding the MIDI input and 'continue with no MIDI output'. But still no sound. The MIDI input output icon in the tray also shows no lights. Input Echo is also turned on (green). Is it possible that I may have installed wrong drivers (from the edirol website)? I'll try uninstalling them and will install the ones on the CD (finally found it). I just hope the keyboard is working or else I'll have to buy a new one:( I'm also planning to uninstall Sonar 4 LE and install the free upgrade that I received - Sonar LE 8.5. Any suggestion in this regard are also welcome. Thanks once again.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/11 04:34:32
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"But still no sound. The MIDI input output icon in the tray also shows no lights. Input Echo is also turned on (green)." Not knowing that particular keyboard you're using, could there be some setting to allow/prevent MIDI from being sent? Does Local on/off have any affect? Have you tried a different cable? It could be the drivers, as you suggest, but even with wrong drivers I'd think there should be MIDI-activity. Are you using the AC-adaptor of the Edirol or only USB-power. If USB, it is quite possible, the laptops USB doesn't feed enough juice to the keyboard, and you need to use the AC-adaptor.
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Shebil
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/11 07:40:38
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Thanks Kalle. Yes indeed I'm running the Edirol PCR M80 keyboard solely on USB. I'll have to find the AC adapter and try once again. I'll also try with my Dad's Roland EXR-7 keyboard. I don't know about the Local on/off settings in the Edirol so I'll check that too. Thanks once again for your help.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/11 21:45:09
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Shebil ...I'm running the Edirol PCR M80 keyboard solely on USB. I'll have to find the AC adapter and try once again... AC adapters are not usually supplied with Edirol keyboards but are available to purchase separately at a ridiculous price. It's cheaper to buy a generic one from an electronics store. Is the keyboard's LED display lit up and responding when you press keys and adjust controls? If so, then power is probably not the issue. I suggest that you get it up and running in Windows before trying to use it with Sonar.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/11 23:42:36
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Thanks Kev. Would the AC Adapter from Roland EXR 7 work with Edirol? I'm asking because I could not find any specification written either on the keyboard itself or in the manual. Or would it damage the keyboard circuit?
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/12 00:17:30
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The AC adapter provided with my PCR-M50 is a Roland ACP-120. Output DC9V-500mA. Center is -, Barrel is +. If this is what you see on the power supply you have, you should be fine. The only difference between the PCR-M50 and PCR M-80 is the number of keys. Electronics are the same. hth
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/12 02:31:46
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The AC adapter provided with my PCR-M50 is a Roland ACP-120. Output DC9V-500mA. It's the same for the Edirol PCR-300 too.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/12 02:35:25
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Shebil AC Adapter...I could not find any specification written either on the keyboard itself or in the manual. I couldn't find it there either, but I found an Edirol power supply for sale and checked the specs from that.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/12 06:15:32
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RobertB The AC adapter provided with my PCR-M50 is a Roland ACP-120. Output DC9V-500mA. Center is -, Barrel is +. If this is what you see on the power supply you have, you should be fine. The only difference between the PCR-M50 and PCR M-80 is the number of keys. Electronics are the same. hth No the model is a different one. It is rated DC12-3.5A. But thanks to you and Kev for the info, I'll try to get some generic adapter with the same ratings as Kev suggested. Anyways an original will be tough to find where I live.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/15 02:54:58
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Hi Robert and Kev, this is beginning to get a little embarassing, but I'm not able to get it work even with an AC adapter. Is there any way by which I can reset the Edirol to its factory default or something? The owner of the keyboard told me that a couple of keys were not working properly but other than that it was functioning properly. I couldn't find a way to set the 'Local off'. Today I'm going to try out with the Roland EXR7 so that I can be sure that the settings in Sonar are proper (Btw, I've installed the free upgrade to Sonar LE 8.5). Thanks once again.
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Re:No sound with MIDI keyboard
2011/04/15 07:33:36
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The Roland EXR7 worked instantly. I just set it to 'Local Off'. I am thinking that the Edirol must be dead after all.
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